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Scorpion
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| canada NEEDS the US to survive and be protected. they are perfectly content with being the US's top hat. |
Canada has a bloody lot of oil. America needs that oil. The balance of power in North America is going to shift. Sure Canada will never rival the US in clout, but oil speaks and Canada has tons of it. |
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IPayInCash
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| Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| LOL... are Canadians seriously suggesting they can compete with the US? Where is the USA ranked economically again? Oh yea #1. Wheres Canada???? |
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Scorpion
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| Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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| LOL... are Canadians seriously suggesting they can compete with the US? Where is the USA ranked economically again? Oh yea #1. Wheres Canada???? |
Nobody has said that. America has ten times Canada's population. As for standard of living and quality of life, Canada probably has the States' beat, but they will never rival us in hard power. But, as I said, they have an awful lot of oil and America needs it. China also wants that oil, and will be happy to pay handsomely for it. There are forces within Canada looking to decrease that country's economic links with the US. The oil could very well go to China. The days of the US lording it over its neighbors could be coming to an end. If we don't play nice we will be forever dependent on mid-east oil and fighting wars to hold onto it. Canada is the US's dream source of oil. Politically stable, an ally, no religious nutjobs declaring holy war every other week, a shared mother culture, and English-speaking to boot (no pun intended).
Oil is power. Canada has the oil. The US needs it.
It's not rocket science. |
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IPayInCash
Joined: 27 Jul 2013
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| Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Where is Canada ranked economically? Are you going to answer or continue to write lengthy deflections? |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Scorpion wrote: |
| Canada has the oil. The US needs it. |
Not anymore. Check out this article (released today):
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-oil-imports-continue-fall-172322634.html
The United States has historically been the largest importer of oil. But since horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing technologies (which made it possible for energy companies to extract oil from areas where oil extraction was initially considered impossible and uneconomical) started to take off after successful trials, the United States has begun its journey of becoming an energy-independent country. The EIA estimates that the country will become the largest producer of crude oil within the next few years, knocking countries such as Russia and Saudi Arabia off the top chart. |
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12ax7
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| Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Scorpion wrote: |
| Canada has the oil. The US needs it. |
Not anymore. Check out this article (released today):
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-oil-imports-continue-fall-172322634.html
The United States has historically been the largest importer of oil. But since horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing technologies (which made it possible for energy companies to extract oil from areas where oil extraction was initially considered impossible and uneconomical) started to take off after successful trials, the United States has begun its journey of becoming an energy-independent country. The EIA estimates that the country will become the largest producer of crude oil within the next few years, knocking countries such as Russia and Saudi Arabia off the top chart. |
Wishful thinking. Nobody but the oil companies like fracking. |
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radcon
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| Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:22 am Post subject: |
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| Scorpion wrote: |
| Nolos wrote: |
| canada NEEDS the US to survive and be protected. they are perfectly content with being the US's top hat. |
Canada has a bloody lot of oil. America needs that oil. The balance of power in North America is going to shift. Sure Canada will never rival the US in clout, but oil speaks and Canada has tons of it. |
And fortunately for Canada the US is a benevolent hyperpower. If push came to shove, what would stop the US govt from just annexing Canada and taking that oil they so desperately need? |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:23 am Post subject: |
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| radcon wrote: |
| Scorpion wrote: |
| Nolos wrote: |
| canada NEEDS the US to survive and be protected. they are perfectly content with being the US's top hat. |
Canada has a bloody lot of oil. America needs that oil. The balance of power in North America is going to shift. Sure Canada will never rival the US in clout, but oil speaks and Canada has tons of it. |
And fortunately for Canada the US is a benevolent hyperpower. If push came to shove, what would stop the US govt from just annexing Canada and taking that oil they so desperately need? |
They don't even need to do that. Just buy them out or manipulate them economically. |
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Savant
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| Personally, I think, when Koreans travel abroad and Gangnam Style is played from any sound system it should be mandatory for them to start dancing. |
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yodanole
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| Flash Mobs might be a lot more interesting if they actually did some flashing... |
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Ginormousaurus
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| Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:28 am Post subject: |
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| 12ax7 wrote: |
| World Traveler wrote: |
| Scorpion wrote: |
| Canada has the oil. The US needs it. |
Not anymore. Check out this article (released today):
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-oil-imports-continue-fall-172322634.html
The United States has historically been the largest importer of oil. But since horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing technologies (which made it possible for energy companies to extract oil from areas where oil extraction was initially considered impossible and uneconomical) started to take off after successful trials, the United States has begun its journey of becoming an energy-independent country. The EIA estimates that the country will become the largest producer of crude oil within the next few years, knocking countries such as Russia and Saudi Arabia off the top chart. |
Wishful thinking. Nobody but the oil companies like fracking. |
How is this wishful thinking? The US is indeed on its way to energy independence. They won't completely achieve it as fracked wells don't produce for very long, but they are on the way nonetheless.
People may not like fracking, but they love oil. Sure, few people will admit to it as most are ignorant to the extent to which oil enables them to live the good life. Every tangible aspect of your life has been brought to you in some way thanks to hyrdocarbons. To deny this is just ignorant. |
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Ginormousaurus
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| Scorpion wrote: |
| Nolos wrote: |
| canada NEEDS the US to survive and be protected. they are perfectly content with being the US's top hat. |
Canada has a bloody lot of oil. America needs that oil. The balance of power in North America is going to shift. Sure Canada will never rival the US in clout, but oil speaks and Canada has tons of it. |
And fortunately for Canada the US is a benevolent hyperpower. If push came to shove, what would stop the US govt from just annexing Canada and taking that oil they so desperately need? |
They don't even need to do that. Just buy them out or manipulate them economically. |
Exactly! We're trying our hardest to sell the US as much oil as we can possibly extract! They don't need to use force as they are our ONLY customer at this point. Hopefully that will all change over the next 7 years and we can start piping oil west to China, east to our own refineries in Eastern Canada and markets accessible by the Atlantic, as well as south to the US. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Ginormousaurus wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| Scorpion wrote: |
| Nolos wrote: |
| canada NEEDS the US to survive and be protected. they are perfectly content with being the US's top hat. |
Canada has a bloody lot of oil. America needs that oil. The balance of power in North America is going to shift. Sure Canada will never rival the US in clout, but oil speaks and Canada has tons of it. |
And fortunately for Canada the US is a benevolent hyperpower. If push came to shove, what would stop the US govt from just annexing Canada and taking that oil they so desperately need? |
They don't even need to do that. Just buy them out or manipulate them economically. |
Exactly! We're trying our hardest to sell the US as much oil as we can possibly extract! They don't need to use force as they are our ONLY customer at this point. Hopefully that will all change over the next 7 years and we can start piping oil west to China, east to our own refineries in Eastern Canada and markets accessible by the Atlantic, as well as south to the US. |
Should only take about 4-5 years, no? |
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Ginormousaurus
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Ideally it would. But considering Keystone is going on 5 years now, I wouldn't hold my breath for the others to be built much quicker. Northern Gateway will be held up in the courts for years I assume. Transcanada hopes to have the first leg of Energy East reach Quebec by 2017 and eventually to New Brunswick by 2018. I predict these dates will be revised back.
So 7 years is just my guess/hope. Thankfully there are several other pipeline projects that are quietly in the works as well as more than 700,000 barrels per day of oil-by-rail terminals currently being built in Canada. |
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mithridates
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Those shouldn't be as hard as Keystone, which is a special case. Energy East has tons of support in New Brunswick for one, and no cross-border permit is needed. The other TransCanada projects to the west are LNG (as opposed to Northern Gateway which is bitumen), which the Haisla in Kitimat supports:
http://haisla.ca/economic-development/why-lng-and-douglas-channel/
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| The safety track record of gas pipelines, LNG terminals, and LNG tankers is a key factor in the embracing of the LNG opportunity by the Haisla people. There have been very few leaks or incidents with gas pipelines, vessels or processes. In the event that there ever was a problem, gas would not despoil the land or water like oil would. |
So I'm optimistic. Keystone became really political just before the last election when the House passed a bill forcing the president to decide within 60 days. Backing down and saying yes would have looked weak so he said no and told TCPL to try again, then fast-tracked the southern leg...I don't see anything as convoluted and political happening for the Canada-only projects. |
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