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OBwannabe
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 Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:29 am Post subject: If school cancels contract after receiving visa... |
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I just received my visa, but my recruiter seems to have disappeared.
It has all come down to the wire and my new job starts at the beginning of September. But of course the hagwon wanted me there a few days early for "training".
I told the recuriter that I needed a few days before I fly out to sort out things like selling my car and giving notice at my current job. Now he seems to have fallen off the face of the earth.
I wasn't willing to sell my belongings and give notice at my workplace until I could physically see my visa and flight ticket as you just never know...
Also, I've never spoken to any administrator at the hagwon directly, just to the recruiter and a couple of former teachers who used to work there.
So if indeed the school cancels the contract on me, what options do I have available to me? Can I still fly over to Korea and ask for a LOR and hope to switch my visa to another job? Or do I need to start at square one all over again and begin the paperwork to find another job?
Thanks all. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:51 am Post subject: Re: If school cancels contract after receiving visa... |
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| OBwannabe wrote: |
I just received my visa, but my recruiter seems to have disappeared.
It has all come down to the wire and my new job starts at the beginning of September. But of course the hagwon wanted me there a few days early for "training".
I told the recuriter that I needed a few days before I fly out to sort out things like selling my car and giving notice at my current job. Now he seems to have fallen off the face of the earth.
I wasn't willing to sell my belongings and give notice at my workplace until I could physically see my visa and flight ticket as you just never know...
Also, I've never spoken to any administrator at the hagwon directly, just to the recruiter and a couple of former teachers who used to work there.
So if indeed the school cancels the contract on me, what options do I have available to me? Can I still fly over to Korea and ask for a LOR and hope to switch my visa to another job? Or do I need to start at square one all over again and begin the paperwork to find another job?
Thanks all. |
First off, any time you take a new job there is a starting date that they expect you to show up for work or training. If you cannot make your starting date on time you shouldn't be surprised that you lose the job. There must have been a starting date in your contract and if you were unable to arrive on time you should have discussed this directly with someone at the school. The recruiter is just a go-between and is paid by the school. He doesn't work for you and if you lost this job then he lost his commission, so he's not likely to be interested in you now.
It might be possible to fly over, get a letter of release, and then transfer to a different school - if you can find a new job right away. However, it is more likely that your would-be employer has cancelled your visa - so, you should check with them first. If you fly over you could find your visa cancelled. I'm not sure if this would cause difficulties in entering Korea, but you would have to enter on a tourist visa. You would not be able to transfer to another school.
This means that more than likely you will have to start over with new documents. Whether or not you have to wait and for how long for your current Visa to expire is another matter; the rules vary depending on what country you're from. Of course you will not be able to really look for a job until you have all of your documents together again. When you have your documents you should post your resume on Dave's and use as many recruiters as possible - but not your old recruiter.
When you do find a new job, you need to be ready to fly over in time to start according to your contract.
Sorry about your difficulties. Good luck finding a new job. |
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OBwannabe
Joined: 16 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:13 am Post subject: Re: If school cancels contract after receiving visa... |
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| OBwannabe wrote: |
I just received my visa, but my recruiter seems to have disappeared.
It has all come down to the wire and my new job starts at the beginning of September. But of course the hagwon wanted me there a few days early for "training".
I told the recuriter that I needed a few days before I fly out to sort out things like selling my car and giving notice at my current job. Now he seems to have fallen off the face of the earth.
I wasn't willing to sell my belongings and give notice at my workplace until I could physically see my visa and flight ticket as you just never know...
Also, I've never spoken to any administrator at the hagwon directly, just to the recruiter and a couple of former teachers who used to work there.
So if indeed the school cancels the contract on me, what options do I have available to me? Can I still fly over to Korea and ask for a LOR and hope to switch my visa to another job? Or do I need to start at square one all over again and begin the paperwork to find another job?
Thanks all. |
First off, any time you take a new job there is a starting date that they expect you to show up for work or training. If you cannot make your starting date on time you shouldn't be surprised that you lose the job. There must have been a starting date in your contract and if you were unable to arrive on time you should have discussed this directly with someone at the school. The recruiter is just a go-between and is paid by the school. He doesn't work for you and if you lost this job then he lost his commission, so he's not likely to be interested in you now.
It might be possible to fly over, get a letter of release, and then transfer to a different school - if you can find a new job right away. However, it is more likely that your would-be employer has cancelled your visa - so, you should check with them first. If you fly over you could find your visa cancelled. I'm not sure if this would cause difficulties in entering Korea, but you would have to enter on a tourist visa. You would not be able to transfer to another school.
This means that more than likely you will have to start over with new documents. Whether or not you have to wait and for how long for your current Visa to expire is another matter; the rules vary depending on what country you're from. Of course you will not be able to really look for a job until you have all of your documents together again. When you have your documents you should post your resume on Dave's and use as many recruiters as possible - but not your old recruiter.
When you do find a new job, you need to be ready to fly over in time to start according to your contract.
Sorry about your difficulties. Good luck finding a new job. |
Sorry, I should have been more clear. When I first posted my resume online I had all the required documents in hand. This particular recruiter contacted me in late July and offered me this position a couple days later.
Since we were working within a very short timeline to get the visa processed I think I was well understood by both parties that it would be quite likely that I couldn't start work until after the first day of my contract as they were late looking for a teacher and it takes roughly a month to process the visa.
So here we are. I've done my due diligence and have not wasted a moment on my end to get things done. Visa arrived this morning and I'm ready to go, minus selling my car and packing.
As anything can happen (eg. school could decide at anytime to hire someone "in-country") as I run around getting my visa sorted, I wasn't willing to give notice at my current job or sell my car until I received the visa or saw a flight ticket. Is that unreasonable? How can one risk ending up with no job? I was willing to leave before this, just wanted the reassurance of the flight ticket really, which they have not yet provided. Couldn't technically leave before tomorrow anyway as I just received the visa in the mail today.
I suppose if he sent the ticket and said I must fly tomorrow, then I'd somehow make that happen. Not sure how though. I just want sufficient heads up as to when I'm going to fly out.
If they did actually cancel my visa, then I clearly made the right decision as to not giving notice at my job and selling my belongings.
If I don't hear back from him today I'll try to contact someone at the hagwon.
Thanks for the response. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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Sorry. I thought your contract had already been cancelled.
If you have your school's email address and phone number, you should email them now - even though they probably won't see your email until tomorrow, and you should call them during school hours tomorrow.
What is the starting date in your contract? Does your contract state that the school will provide your ticket for you or reimburse after arrival? |
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OBwannabe
Joined: 16 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:50 am Post subject: |
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Actually the contract doesn't specify a start date. It was left blank...I assumed they would fill that part in after I signed it. My recruiter told me that my start date would be the beginning of Sept, but that was awhile back. He more recently mentioned Sept 7. I told him I would certainly be ready before that, but he never mentioned it again.
The flights are covered by the school. I'm just waiting on them to book the ticket. It's covered in the contract.
I will contact the school myself and see what's going on. I appreciate your response. I tend to be a worry wart. Everything will likely pan out. I just wish my recruiter kept me more in the loop.
Thanks again.
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tmax500
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OBwannabe
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| Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:10 am Post subject: |
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It's amazing you still are in your current job and have your car you need to sell. I think the recruiter thinks you are a lost cause, or perhaps he is sick and out from work..
You should not consider your car and current job now, as you didn't consider them enough in the last few weeks/ months. Ask yourself do you really want to go to Korea. If you do, then ring whoever you can to get in contact with the school. Someone can sell your car later, and you can make your apologies to your current employer, if you end up going.
I wonder how will you manage in Asia, all things considered.. |
Pfft...is that really necessary?
I've spent 5 years of my life in Korea and got on really well.
Try being constructive like Ontheway, or save your 2 cents.
Hmmm.....should I have quite my job a week or two ago and sold my car and belongings hoping all will work out on the other end? Just sit at home on my hands with my bags packed sitting by the door hoping that one day I will be sent a flight ticket and that my visa would be approved? Or should I have covered my bases and made sure I would have employment whether things worked out with the potential employer in Korea or not? I'll go with the latter thanks.
Question is....how do you get on in life? You just put blind trust in others with no actual planning before pursing a new endeavor? Glad that works out for you hippie. So sorry to be responsible.
I'm just asking to be notified a few days before flying out. And to be kept in the loop. That's it. Doesn't seem to be much to ask. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| OBwannabe wrote: |
| tmax500 wrote: |
It's amazing you still are in your current job and have your car you need to sell. I think the recruiter thinks you are a lost cause, or perhaps he is sick and out from work..
You should not consider your car and current job now, as you didn't consider them enough in the last few weeks/ months. Ask yourself do you really want to go to Korea. If you do, then ring whoever you can to get in contact with the school. Someone can sell your car later, and you can make your apologies to your current employer, if you end up going.
I wonder how will you manage in Asia, all things considered.. |
Pfft...is that really necessary?
I've spent 5 years of my life in Korea and got on really well.
Try being constructive like Ontheway, or save your 2 cents.
Hmmm.....should I have quite my job a week or two ago and sold my car and belongings hoping all will work out on the other end? Just sit at home on my hands with my bags packed sitting by the door hoping that one day I will be sent a flight ticket and that my visa would be approved? Or should I have covered my bases and made sure I would have employment whether things worked out with the potential employer in Korea or not? I'll go with the latter thanks.
Question is....how do you get on in life? You just put blind trust in others with no actual planning before pursing a new endeavor? Glad that works out for you hippie. So sorry to be responsible.
I'm just asking to be notified a few days before flying out. And to be kept in the loop. That's it. Doesn't seem to be much to ask. |
Selling a car is easy. I made arrangements ahead of time and sold mine the day I left. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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It's a crap-shoot at the best of times. You can dot all your "i's", cross all your
"t's" and still things can go terribly wrong. The best way I found was to have enough money in the bank that I could wade through all the circumstances that came up whilst I was between jobs.
That's not always possible though, and even when it is, sometimes things just don't work out.
Best of luck to you. |
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IPayInCash
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If I were you (if youre American) Id fly over, negotiate a LOR (You may have to pay since theyre not required to give you one) and find a new job. It will cost a lot of money.
Or you can just try another country. Looks like you got used as insurance while they hired locally. |
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OBwannabe
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| Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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If I were you (if youre American) Id fly over, negotiate a LOR (You may have to pay since theyre not required to give you one) and find a new job. It will cost a lot of money.
Or you can just try another country. Looks like you got used as insurance while they hired locally. |
"Used as insurance" good way of putting it and you might be right.
Does it matter if I'm American? I'm Canadian, but what you say sounds pretty solid. |
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alongway
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Sell your car and go if you want the job. If you don't want the job, make a fuss about having to give 2 weeks notice at your current job and forget about it.
Nothing is going to happen to you if you only give your current job a few days notice. Just say "Sorry, this came into play sooner than I expected, but I have to leave"
They can't hold a gun to your head and force you to work. |
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OBwannabe
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| Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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Sell your car and go if you want the job. If you don't want the job, make a fuss about having to give 2 weeks notice at your current job and forget about it.
Nothing is going to happen to you if you only give your current job a few days notice. Just say "Sorry, this came into play sooner than I expected, but I have to leave"
They can't hold a gun to your head and force you to work. |
I apologize again as my OP obviously was not as clear as I thought it was. I'll go back and edit it when I'm not on my smartphone.
The real issue isn't about how much notice I will give to my current job or how much time I will have to sell my car. I was just saying that knowing my flight date 2 or 3 days in advance would be ideal and not much to ask. And I never said anything about 2 weeks notice.
The issue is that my recruiter disappears days at a time and I have no idea where I stand with the school. Originally we talked about flying over Aug 27, but that day has come and gone. Last time he emailed me he asked if Sept 7 would be good for me, and I told him that I'm good to go now if that's better. Haven't heard back from him.
I've never spoken to anyone at the school directly so I really don't know where I stand. Have they found someone else? Why wait until Sept 7 if the session starts Sept 2?
So that's why I'm skeptical and wonder if its a good idea to sell the car and give notice at work. I don't even know if my job in Korea is still available to me. I have my visa in hand and if I lost this job and my recruiter isn't being straight with me, then it would take months to get all the paperwork done for a new visa.
So what I really wanted to know is. Is it possible to get a LOR at a job I've never really worked? I can travel over to Korea in my own and find a new job if need be. Hopefully I'll be able to reach someone at the hagwon and find out what's going on, so far no luck. |
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alongway
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| Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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Then man up and call the school. If you don't know where you stand, find out quickly.
Just email the school, tell them you haven't heard back from the recruiter and you want to know what's going on. |
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