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Weigookin74
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| The overtime rate is not usually calculated by dividing your salary by the total number of hours you're supposed to be at work. Otherwise people on 2 million a month would get 12500 an hour overtime and I'm pretty sure public school teachers get around 20,000 an hour don't they? |
If you factor in housing, any travel allowance, renewal (flight) allowance, and include the deskwarming (40 hours a week), it probably does get up to this amount. |
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nicwr2002
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| Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| If we are talking about overtime pay and we use the hourly overtime pay in America then someone at 2,400,000 won salary would be making about 22,000 won an hour extra overtime. |
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Swampfox10mm
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| Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
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Back on topic...
Yes, the PT work has degraded considerably per hour in the last year. The OP's post about pay is largely correct.
Certain government restrictions have done a lot to bring pay down. For example, I have heard it is now illegal for pre-schools/kindys (uchiwon) to teach English before noon. Many schools have thumbed their noses at this, but that number has been shrinking as many are being audited and likely facing fines for doing so. This has had an effect of shrinking the hours available for English teachers to work, because fewer students are around in the afternoons and certain other subjects take up those times due to other restrictions.
Pay used to be in the 40,000 range to teach Kindy. Now you're looking at 25,000 to 30,000 offered. Of course, they almost all prefer women.
Another interesting note -- and I know this because we just signed our daughter up -- a new gov't rule requiring more room space per student is threatening to force many uchiwon to close. The school my daughter will attend informed us of this, and is currently expanding because of it.
Basically, the goal of the gov't is to bring the cost of education down. They force hagwons to charge less, limit hours for teaching, and more. It's all having an impact on PT work. And then, of course, there are the flood of teachers here taking anything.
I don't hear of immigration going out and busting people anymore for it these days. I am sure it happens, but I just haven't heard of it for a long time since E-2's were allowed to do outside work, with approval. |
Ah, nothing like the government to stick it's nose where it doesn't belong to drive up unemployment rates. I'm sure they do it in other areas too. I keep hearing how young people in Korea can't find a job. To think we ran away from places like this only to find too much government interfering here too. Sad!
But, why would the government forbid teaching English before noon? That is one of the stupidest and most ridiculous things I have ever heard of. Why should it be any of their business? |
Because it was increasing cost for parents, and given the limited time a kindy student spends in class, there was alarm that other important subjects (Korean subject) were not being taught enough. Many kindy students spend just half of a day in school. If an hour or that half day is spent on English, that is actually a lot.
By forcing English programs to afternoon, either less time will be spent on it, or it will be pushed into the time of day after most students go home -- after 1pm. |
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jlee83
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
Back on topic...
Yes, the PT work has degraded considerably per hour in the last year. The OP's post about pay is largely correct.
Certain government restrictions have done a lot to bring pay down. For example, I have heard it is now illegal for pre-schools/kindys (uchiwon) to teach English before noon. Many schools have thumbed their noses at this, but that number has been shrinking as many are being audited and likely facing fines for doing so. This has had an effect of shrinking the hours available for English teachers to work, because fewer students are around in the afternoons and certain other subjects take up those times due to other restrictions.
Pay used to be in the 40,000 range to teach Kindy. Now you're looking at 25,000 to 30,000 offered. Of course, they almost all prefer women.
Another interesting note -- and I know this because we just signed our daughter up -- a new gov't rule requiring more room space per student is threatening to force many uchiwon to close. The school my daughter will attend informed us of this, and is currently expanding because of it.
Basically, the goal of the gov't is to bring the cost of education down. They force hagwons to charge less, limit hours for teaching, and more. It's all having an impact on PT work. And then, of course, there are the flood of teachers here taking anything.
I don't hear of immigration going out and busting people anymore for it these days. I am sure it happens, but I just haven't heard of it for a long time since E-2's were allowed to do outside work, with approval. |
Ah, nothing like the government to stick it's nose where it doesn't belong to drive up unemployment rates. I'm sure they do it in other areas too. I keep hearing how young people in Korea can't find a job. To think we ran away from places like this only to find too much government interfering here too. Sad!
But, why would the government forbid teaching English before noon? That is one of the stupidest and most ridiculous things I have ever heard of. Why should it be any of their business? |
Because it was increasing cost for parents, and given the limited time a kindy student spends in class, there was alarm that other important subjects (Korean subject) were not being taught enough. Many kindy students spend just half of a day in school. If an hour or that half day is spent on English, that is actually a lot.
By forcing English programs to afternoon, either less time will be spent on it, or it will be pushed into the time of day after most students go home -- after 1pm. |
Can't parents choose what they want for their kids? A private business is a private business. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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| By regulating like this, they just drive it underground. Many parents determined to get their kids good English ability will pay one way or another. It's a rule in every country no matter the culture, the more the government interferes, the more the black market flourishes. |
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519forlife
Joined: 26 Sep 2006
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| jlee83 wrote: |
http://seoul.craigslist.co.kr/res/4039995304.html
That guy's charging 20,000won/hr.
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That's what I'm sayin. I wasn't talking about full time pay. |
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Swampfox10mm
Joined: 24 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:01 am Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
Back on topic...
Yes, the PT work has degraded considerably per hour in the last year. The OP's post about pay is largely correct.
Certain government restrictions have done a lot to bring pay down. For example, I have heard it is now illegal for pre-schools/kindys (uchiwon) to teach English before noon. Many schools have thumbed their noses at this, but that number has been shrinking as many are being audited and likely facing fines for doing so. This has had an effect of shrinking the hours available for English teachers to work, because fewer students are around in the afternoons and certain other subjects take up those times due to other restrictions.
Pay used to be in the 40,000 range to teach Kindy. Now you're looking at 25,000 to 30,000 offered. Of course, they almost all prefer women.
Another interesting note -- and I know this because we just signed our daughter up -- a new gov't rule requiring more room space per student is threatening to force many uchiwon to close. The school my daughter will attend informed us of this, and is currently expanding because of it.
Basically, the goal of the gov't is to bring the cost of education down. They force hagwons to charge less, limit hours for teaching, and more. It's all having an impact on PT work. And then, of course, there are the flood of teachers here taking anything.
I don't hear of immigration going out and busting people anymore for it these days. I am sure it happens, but I just haven't heard of it for a long time since E-2's were allowed to do outside work, with approval. |
Ah, nothing like the government to stick it's nose where it doesn't belong to drive up unemployment rates. I'm sure they do it in other areas too. I keep hearing how young people in Korea can't find a job. To think we ran away from places like this only to find too much government interfering here too. Sad!
But, why would the government forbid teaching English before noon? That is one of the stupidest and most ridiculous things I have ever heard of. Why should it be any of their business? |
Because it was increasing cost for parents, and given the limited time a kindy student spends in class, there was alarm that other important subjects (Korean subject) were not being taught enough. Many kindy students spend just half of a day in school. If an hour or that half day is spent on English, that is actually a lot.
By forcing English programs to afternoon, either less time will be spent on it, or it will be pushed into the time of day after most students go home -- after 1pm. |
Can't parents choose what they want for their kids? A private business is a private business. |
I am guessing no.... not when it falls outside of the law set forth by the ministry of education. I used to work for a private school in Hannam Dong that cost 1 mill a month per student. The gov't was putting big pressure on them to lower costs. That was 10 years ago. There are laws about how much can be charged per student now. I believe some recruiters and schools try crafty things like charging huge money for books, in order to make up the difference. |
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