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Why no 'monarchist' movement in Korea?
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Scorpion



Joined: 15 Apr 2012

PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:36 pm    Post subject: Why no 'monarchist' movement in Korea? Reply with quote

I've always been a bit surprised by the (apparently total) absense of a monarchist movement in Korea. The Japanese overthrew the Chosun dynasty when it conquered the peninsula. You'd think that, as part of the de-Japanization of the ROK after 1950, that some would advocate a return to the monarchy. Even today I never hear of any such initiatives for a 'constitutional' monarchy, one compatible with a democratic form of government. There's plenty of democracies out there with monarchs, so I'm surprised there's no interest in it here.

Any thoughts?
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fermentation



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well the first few presidents were pretty much kings.
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Fox



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://askakorean.blogspot.kr/2011/05/what-became-of-koreas-royal-family.html?m=1
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would they want one? It would just be a very costly welfare scheme for someone lucky enough to be a descendant of some really powerful warlord from 1000 years ago.
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12ax7



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not as if Koreans were staunch monarchists to begin with.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donghak_Peasant_Revolution
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's telling that most of the world's monarchies fell within a span of 100 years, because they weren't all that popular. Most people were dirt poor and probably wouldn't have given two rats worrying about keeping, or bringing back a monarch.
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Jake_Kim



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Yee (or Lee) Dynasty of Chosun was already in decline for corruption and incompetence to govern long before the whole Japanese scheme to take over Asia came into effect. Furthermore, the Yees didn't quite go down fighting or have the guts to take their monarchy in exile in another country in resistance - like the Norwegians did during WW2, for example - but they subjugated themselves to and obeyed the Japanese.

No reason for any former subjects/commoners to have love for them, really.
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atwood



Joined: 26 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jake_Kim wrote:
The Yee (or Lee) Dynasty of Chosun was already in decline for corruption and incompetence to govern long before the whole Japanese scheme to take over Asia came into effect. Furthermore, the Yees didn't quite go down fighting or have the guts to take their monarchy in exile in another country in resistance - like the Norwegians did during WW2, for example - but they subjugated themselves to and obeyed the Japanese.

No reason for any former subjects/commoners to have love for them, really.

Good answer. And that's also why rural, rather than royal, culture has been glorified in modern Korea. Sa mul nori anyone?
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NohopeSeriously



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We technically have a "royal" person in power right now. Her name is Park Guen-Hye and she is the President. The future South Korean president in the year 2040-ish would likely be her closest relative based on the rumors I heard in my church.
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tophatcat



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NohopeSeriously wrote:
We technically have a "royal" person in power right now. Her name is Park Guen-Hye and she is the President. The future South Korean president in the year 2040-ish would likely be her closest relative based on the rumors I heard in my church.


the rumors you heard in your church

predicting the future of things to be in 2040
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andrewchon



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea can't have Constitutional monarchy because:
1. Japan is a constitutional monarchy and Korea has no intention of legitimizing the years 1910-1945.
2. North Korea is a quasi-monarchist state, and becoming a monarchy will legitimize the NK state, thus will make unification even harder.
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Scorpion



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

andrewchon wrote:
Korea can't have Constitutional monarchy because:
1. Japan is a constitutional monarchy and Korea has no intention of legitimizing the years 1910-1945.
2. North Korea is a quasi-monarchist state, and becoming a monarchy will legitimize the NK state, thus will make unification even harder.


Yeah, I had thought about those. Also, North Korea ('technically' a republic) would have got great propaganda mileage from the South re-embracing a 'feudal' political system. There's also the fact that the ROK came under the influence of the United States - a republic that fought a war against monarchism. Those who later wanted a democracy were probably also anti-monarchist because, although there are many democratic constitutional monarchies, Korea did not have a liberal or democratic heritage. The strength of Confucianism here, when added to monarchism, might have killed any hope of a democracy emerging.

Anyway, some interesting responses here. Fox, thanks for that link.

I still find it odd that, in my years in Korea, noone here has ever mentioned support for the monarchy. Are Koreans embarassed by the fact that they had a monarchy. Has the American connection convinced them that monarchy, in all its manifestations, is indefensible?
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tophatcat wrote:
NohopeSeriously wrote:
We technically have a "royal" person in power right now. Her name is Park Guen-Hye and she is the President. The future South Korean president in the year 2040-ish would likely be her closest relative based on the rumors I heard in my church.


the rumors you heard in your church

predicting the future of things to be in 2040


Uh.. yeah. Gotta be the biggest eye roll of the day.


OP, I've often wondered the same thing.
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NohopeSeriously



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My point was that both South Korea and North Korea have a serious monarchical-ish ambition in their politics. It's because both countries are very authoritarian by nature despite their democratic nature.

http://henrymakow.com/the_illuminist_hand_in_south_k.html

Here's an interesting read by an American expat in South Korea.

However I do admit that South Korea does have a monarchy in a unusual representation.
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RangerMcGreggor



Joined: 12 Jan 2011
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NohopeSeriously wrote:
My point was that both South Korea and North Korea have a serious monarchical-ish ambition in their politics. It's because both countries are very authoritarian by nature despite their democratic nature.

http://henrymakow.com/the_illuminist_hand_in_south_k.html

Here's an interesting read by an American expat in South Korea.

However I do admit that South Korea does have a monarchy in a unusual representation.


That person is crazy and needs to do better research
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