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itiswhatitis
Joined: 08 Aug 2011
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 Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:09 am Post subject: Why did the Japanese call Korea ****land? |
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| Why did the Japanese give that nickname when they invaded? |
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andrewchon
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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Because that's colonization 101. Call the place terra nullis. Makes the natives uncivilized savages at a stroke. Australia did that. Several posters on this site who are known to be Korea 'haters' but protest that they are not, are practicing that realpolitik whether they know it or not. Hitler did the same when he was conquering lebensraum.
Mel Brooks: Heil myself!  |
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lemak
Joined: 02 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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Agree with the above. Makes it easier to do horrible things when the people you've colonized are considered baby eating cockroaches who wallow in their own filth. I'm sure not helped by the fact if you compare photos from Tokyo to Seoul at the time there to exist a fairly large contrast. For some of those Japanese Generals it must have been like going from modern day Shanghai to Dhaka.
Korea *still* has some pretty vile poo reek stenches. I can only imagine what it was like 100+ years ago prior to the arrival of modern plumbing and sanitation. |
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RangerMcGreggor
Joined: 12 Jan 2011
Location: Somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| When the Japanese started sending government workers and "advisors" to Korea, they complained how common it was for Koreans (especially poor rural ones) to take dumps in public or have the stuff that holds their **** outdoors |
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IPayInCash
Joined: 27 Jul 2013
Location: Away from all my board stalkers :)
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| Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| lemak wrote: |
Agree with the above. Makes it easier to do horrible things when the people you've colonized are considered baby eating cockroaches who wallow in their own filth. I'm sure not helped by the fact if you compare photos from Tokyo to Seoul at the time there to exist a fairly large contrast. For some of those Japanese Generals it must have been like going from modern day Shanghai to Dhaka.
Korea *still* has some pretty vile poo reek stenches. I can only imagine what it was like 100+ years ago prior to the arrival of modern plumbing and sanitation. |
Steelrails with comments about urban decay still in the USA (I'll guess he uses Detroit as his main example) in 3......2......1....... |
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| andrewchon wrote: |
Because that's colonization 101. Call the place terra nullis. Makes the natives uncivilized savages at a stroke. Australia did that. Several posters on this site who are known to be Korea 'haters' but protest that they are not, are practicing that realpolitik whether they know it or not. Hitler did the same when he was conquering lebensraum.
Mel Brooks: Heil myself! |
There is undoubtedly much truth to this. It's a universal trait of people who need to justify the nasty behavior they are inflicting on other peoples. But, having said that, Koreans until recently fertilized their fields with human waste. Visitors centuries ago talked about the smell, as did Michael Breen on the very first page of his book, The Koreans. Korean kids are obsessed with drawing poo, children's books have poo characters, they eat bread shaped like poo, stores sell ornaments shaped like poo, Jeju is known for its 'black pig', Korea has (if I'm not mistaken) a poo museum, and of course we have Korea's latest contribution to fine dining - 'Poo Wine.' Even today Korea's streets smell foul. One can imagine what they smelled like a hundred years ago during the brutally hot rainy summers.
I guess it was a case of both. The Japanese wanted to cynically dehumanize those whose lands they were seizing, and perhaps they latched onto Koreans cultural attitudes to **** to 'justify' their actions. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| andrewchon wrote: |
Several posters on this site who are known to be Korea 'haters' but protest that they are not, are practicing that realpolitik whether they know it or not. Hitler did the same when he was conquering lebensraum.
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Ah, comparisons to Hitler. Awesome.
Some people just genuinely don't like the place and that is their prerogative. I've talked to plenty of visitors that hated it here, thought it smelled terrible, and never wanted to return for a number of reasons.
Really now, realpolitik?  Bad odors transcend realpolitik, they just hit you hard in a visceral way.
Even now, lots of areas here tend to smell pretty bad: a mix between garlic, rotting food, and sewage. If the place smelled like flowers, they might have named it Flowerland instead, but obviously they didn't. |
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andrewchon
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Mix1 wrote: |
Ah, comparisons to Hitler. Awesome.
Some people just genuinely don't like the place and that is their prerogative. I've talked to plenty of visitors that hated it here, thought it smelled terrible, and never wanted to return for a number of reasons.
Really now, realpolitik? Bad odors transcend realpolitik, they just hit you hard in a visceral way.
Even now, lots of areas here tend to smell pretty bad: a mix between garlic, rotting food, and sewage. If the place smelled like flowers, they might have named it Flowerland instead, but obviously they didn't. |
See, this is an example of "But I'm not a racist!" protest.
Yes, we're not talking about races and whatnot. It is correct that at the time of year 1910, Korea wasn't using Phosphate fertilizers and Japan was very keen on selling some. Hence the putdown on organic fertilizers. Well, nowadays people pay good money for food grown with organic fertilizers. We've come a full circle.
Smell is realpolitik. You are choosing to say: this smell is bad because I'm better than this, instead of: I can't get used to this smell, there must be something wrong with me. This is you protesting "It's not my fault! It's Korea that smells." Once again, taste (sense) is all in your mind. |
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Nester Noodlemon
Joined: 16 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Mix1 wrote: |
Ah, comparisons to Hitler. Awesome.
Some people just genuinely don't like the place and that is their prerogative. I've talked to plenty of visitors that hated it here, thought it smelled terrible, and never wanted to return for a number of reasons.
Really now, realpolitik? Bad odors transcend realpolitik, they just hit you hard in a visceral way.
Even now, lots of areas here tend to smell pretty bad: a mix between garlic, rotting food, and sewage. If the place smelled like flowers, they might have named it Flowerland instead, but obviously they didn't. |
See, this is an example of "But I'm not a racist!" protest.
Yes, we're not talking about races and whatnot. It is correct that at the time of year 1910, Korea wasn't using Phosphate fertilizers and Japan was very keen on selling some. Hence the putdown on organic fertilizers. Well, nowadays people pay good money for food grown with organic fertilizers. We've come a full circle.
Smell is realpolitik. You are choosing to say: this smell is bad because I'm better than this, instead of: I can't get used to this smell, there must be something wrong with me. This is you protesting "It's not my fault! It's Korea that smells." Once again, taste (sense) is all in your mind. |
Saying that Mix1 can't used to the smell of **** seems like a poor argument.
I suppose you like the smell of **** ?
I can just imagine you shopping in the perfume/cologne section of the department store. "Hey, lady, what's this flower smelling garbage? No, this has too much of an Autumn Fragrance. You got anything that smells like **** ?
Yeah, that's right, I said I want something that smells like **** ." |
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Squire
Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Location: Jeollanam-do
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| Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:28 am Post subject: |
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I seem to remember in a book about the Korean War (The Forgotten War) the writer often mentions the smell the country had since crops were all fertilised with human excrement
I may have also read something like that in that old book (late 19th century perhaps) by the British woman who traveled around Korea for a while
**** land
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no steelrails sighting yet?  |
With Korea and **** land in the same sentence you can be sure he'll show up. He's probably frothing at the mouth right now |
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metalhead
Joined: 18 May 2010
Location: Toilet
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| Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails spams this board. On other forums that troll would've been banned ages ago. Personally I don't mind him as it's quite the interesting case study in what happens when you are incapable of getting a girlfriend. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:37 am Post subject: |
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Ah, comparisons to Hitler. Awesome.
Some people just genuinely don't like the place and that is their prerogative. I've talked to plenty of visitors that hated it here, thought it smelled terrible, and never wanted to return for a number of reasons.
Really now, realpolitik? Bad odors transcend realpolitik, they just hit you hard in a visceral way.
Even now, lots of areas here tend to smell pretty bad: a mix between garlic, rotting food, and sewage. If the place smelled like flowers, they might have named it Flowerland instead, but obviously they didn't. |
See, this is an example of "But I'm not a racist!" protest.
Yes, we're not talking about races and whatnot. It is correct that at the time of year 1910, Korea wasn't using Phosphate fertilizers and Japan was very keen on selling some. Hence the putdown on organic fertilizers. Well, nowadays people pay good money for food grown with organic fertilizers. We've come a full circle.
Smell is realpolitik. You are choosing to say: this smell is bad because I'm better than this, instead of: I can't get used to this smell, there must be something wrong with me. This is you protesting "It's not my fault! It's Korea that smells." Once again, taste (sense) is all in your mind. |
"Hmm...what's that awful smell I detect? It smells like poop!"
"You are guilty of realpolitik! You RACIST!"
I think I've seen everything now: a poop smell apologist. Poopologist?
What a load of BS you just spewed. It's so raw I can almost smell it through the screen. So, does it work the other way too? If a Korean visits Canada and doesn't like some of the smells he encounters, is he a racist too? Or is it a one way street like usual? |
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andrewchon
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:06 am Post subject: |
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Yes, that'll be a putdown, too.
It's like you, Mix1, didn't pay attention during bullying prevention classes. This is how bullying starts. You start with smell (or something else to be embarrassed about) and then shut them up whenever there's an argument by saying something about the smell... Next step: Asians are permanent biatches. Still doesn't ring a bell? or are you just in denial: "I think I'm a nice guy so it's impossible that I'd been bullying."
Well, Japan found that out.  |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:45 am Post subject: Re: Why did the Japanese call Korea **** land? |
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| itiswhatitis wrote: |
| Why did the Japanese give that nickname when they invaded? |
Before the japanese occupation, Koreans used to defecate anywhere. On the road, sidewalk, wherever.
This manure was collected by people on carts, in the same way folks pick up cardboard and trash today. After shovelling it up, they sold it to farmers who used it to fertilize their fields.
This is well attested to in the various old accounts of Korea dating back to 1895 or so.
There is loads of stuff they did that today we'd consider uncivilised but the fact is most cultures were disgustingly filthy if you go back far enough. |
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:40 am Post subject: |
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| andrewchon wrote: |
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Smell is realpolitik. You are choosing to say: this smell is bad because I'm better than this, instead of: I can't get used to this smell, there must be something wrong with me. This is you protesting "It's not my fault! It's Korea that smells." Once again, taste (sense) is all in your mind. |
Someone will have to go a long way to make less logical sense than this.
It is a fact that Korean urban areas smell far, far worse than the urban areas of my home country (coming from a dairy farm background however, I'm not going to make the same claim for rural areas). It's hardly racism to point this out. Also, my wife has lived in Korea her whole life, and she still hasn't gotten used to the smells. What chance I?
And anyway, there is a reason why we classify some smells as bad; it's so we avoid the source of the smell and don't get sick. |
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