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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Threequalseven wrote: |
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| [But I would actually argue that South Korea has the highest rate of mental illness in the world, since it has the world's highest suicide rate, and by a wide margin. |
Neither claim is correct
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
Greenland does and by a very large margin
Korea is a distant second place and practically tied with Lithuania. |
Apples, meet oranges. I don't know why you'd use that argument to try proving a point. Greenland only has around 56,000 people, making it about 1/1,000th the size of Korea. Perhaps EZE should have known enough to cover his bases by adding "...the highest suicide rate, of countries that are large enough to reasonably be compared to other countries." But of course, that would be ridiculous. These online smarty pants arguments are so trivial. "Well actually, Greenland..." C'mon, seriously? |
That has nothing to do with the fact that his claim was inaccurate.
And nothing to do with the fact that comparing suicide rates between countries is still statistically unsound as the data in many countries is skewed. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Greenland's not even a country. It's part of Denmark. |
The list I drew the stats from had Greenland by itself at the top of the list. And while you are technically correct...it does have home rule.
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| After the war, Denmark resumed control of Greenland and in 1953, converted its status from colony to overseas amt (county). Although Greenland is still a part of the Kingdom of Denmark, it has enjoyed home rule since 1979 |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, because Korean moms are spending all of their time with their kids. You know after they get home from their 3 hagwons... |
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faeriehazel
Joined: 04 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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Stupid article, written by a clueless Korean man clinging to the corpse of Confucius. Korea would be a whole lot better off if Korean moms learned to be a bit selfish. It's not healthy for your life to revolve wholly around your child. Not healthy for the mom or the child.
A lot of Korean moms get swept up by social expectations of Korean education. I'm sure some of them do send their kids to hakwon just to get them out of their hair, but IME most moms sincerely think they're doing the best for their kids. The problem is that they don't have any definite philosophy when it comes to their children's education, and therefore just end up thinking "omg, my kid is going to fall behind the others so he/she has to do everything that everyone else is doing."
It's people like this stupid SNU professor that keep perpetuating the harmful idea that the only way to be a good mother is to the be kind of mother that gives up her entire sense of self to devote everything to her children. And as another poster pointed out, where is the father in this picture? Being ignored by the mother? Treated like a laborer whose only role is to go out any make money for the kids? Yeah, that will make for a happy and healthy family. |
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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Would these be the same moms who teach their kids unsafe road crossing habits? The same moms who, went the government brought in safety seat laws for infants, campaigned to have them repealed.
Those moms? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Scorpion wrote: |
Would these be the same moms who teach their kids unsafe road crossing habits? The same moms who, went the government brought in safety seat laws for infants, campaigned to have them repealed.
Those moms? |
Nope...different moms...that safety seat law thing was years ago. And there IS a child seat law (just not enforced a lot is all.)
http://www.buhaykorea.com/2011/01/14/best-car-seat-in-korea/
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| There is a car seat law in South Korea but most parents still prefer to carry or have their children sit on their laps. I am guilty of this too since there have been a few times that my son didn’t use his car seat, usually when my parents-in-law ride with us. |
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Malislamusrex
Joined: 01 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, it's great that Korean mothers give up their lives for their children.
Korea needs more men in their thirties and forties sucking on their mothers teet. One of the biggest social problems in Korea is the fact younger people never stand up for themselves, listen and apologies to every old man who insults them for no reason. If Korean parents allowed their children to become adults, the country would be much more creative. |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Scorpion wrote: |
Would these be the same moms who teach their kids unsafe road crossing habits? The same moms who, went the government brought in safety seat laws for infants, campaigned to have them repealed.
Those moms? |
Nope...different moms...that safety seat law thing was years ago. And there IS a child seat law (just not enforced a lot is all.)
http://www.buhaykorea.com/2011/01/14/best-car-seat-in-korea/
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| There is a car seat law in South Korea but most parents still prefer to carry or have their children sit on their laps. I am guilty of this too since there have been a few times that my son didn’t use his car seat, usually when my parents-in-law ride with us. |
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So are you saying that after the car seat law was repealed because Korean moms basically said "We hold our kids in our laps, We love our kids more than cold Western moms who don't want to hold their kids. Stop trying to pass American style laws in Korea"- that a new car seat law was passed, but just "not enforced a lot". |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| radcon wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Scorpion wrote: |
Would these be the same moms who teach their kids unsafe road crossing habits? The same moms who, went the government brought in safety seat laws for infants, campaigned to have them repealed.
Those moms? |
Nope...different moms...that safety seat law thing was years ago. And there IS a child seat law (just not enforced a lot is all.)
http://www.buhaykorea.com/2011/01/14/best-car-seat-in-korea/
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| There is a car seat law in South Korea but most parents still prefer to carry or have their children sit on their laps. I am guilty of this too since there have been a few times that my son didn’t use his car seat, usually when my parents-in-law ride with us. |
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So are you saying that after the car seat law was repealed because Korean moms basically said "We hold our kids in our laps, We love our kids more than cold Western moms who don't want to hold their kids. Stop trying to pass American style laws in Korea"- that a new car seat law was passed, but just "not enforced a lot". |
No that's what the person in the link said.
I am saying do you have a source for stating that the car seat law was repealed or a source for what Korean moms said?
Or are you just repeating what you've heard on Dave's? Because I hear that same thing a lot (from the same posters) but I never see any link or proof that it actually went down that way. |
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cabeza
Joined: 29 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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Car seat requirement in Korea is short-lived
"I heard it is good to use a car seat and actually I do have one, but I don't use it because he behaves well in the car. My friends also don't use one because it is difficult to set up and the car seat takes a lot of space," she said.
On June 1, the government did just that. New transportation laws required children under the age of 6 to use a car seat with the seat belt on. Failure to do so meant a fine of 30,000 won ($31), the National Police Agency announced. Parents complained and the next day, the police agency dropped the plan.
"We don't have to do what foreigners do in their countries. We have our own way to take care of babies," another posting at the agency's Web site said.... South Korea has the highest rate of children under 14 years old killed in traffic accidents among the OECD nations.
by Kim Soe-jung, JoongAng Daily (August 07, 2006)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200608/06/200608062231105209900090409041.html |
That's the original posting with sourced quotes. The link doesnt work anymore as the story is 7 years old. |
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