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Missing Pension Contributions - NPS
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Stan Rogers



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Kalgukshi wrote:
Swampfox10mm wrote:
Stan Rogers wrote:
Perhaps they switched over to the private pension plan, withdrew all the prior NPP contributions and paid it out to the teacher as his "severance pay."


Over 25 million won? A guy here went back to Canada and got over 40 million back after 8.5 years in private pension.


If they did, they violated the law. Severance has noting to do with pension contributions.

Whatever they did, they didn't want it to appear in their files. Not a good sign.


So is it a civil matter now? Will the guy have to return to Korea and sue the university?
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Swampfox10mm



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I imagine the teachers at said univ are currently pretty worried and checking on their money?
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Mr. Kalgukshi



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swampfox10mm wrote:
I imagine the teachers at said univ are currently pretty worried and checking on their money?


Did you ever think this could be bigger than just one university?
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radcon



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have always wondered about foreigners paying in to the Korean pension schemes. From what I hear the pension plan is doomed in the long run much like those in western countries. Who do you think will be the first ones out of luck if the Korean pension scheme has financial difficulties in the future?
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ontheway



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pension money left behind in either the government's National Pension or a private pension like those set up by many universities both offer good opportunities for embezzlement.

An administrator working for either of these types of institutions would have the opportunity to fake a withdrawal, submitting forged paperwork and delivering cash "at the airport" or transferring funds to a bank account under their own control. It could be years or before the affected foreigner would discover the missing money. Many former foreign workers undoubtedly never even attempt to collect their money, so these thefts would be unlikely to ever be noticed.

In life, nothing is safe, and if you don't watch out for yourself, expect to be ripped off.
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12ax7



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

radcon wrote:
I have always wondered about foreigners paying in to the Korean pension schemes. From what I hear the pension plan is doomed in the long run much like those in western countries. Who do you think will be the first ones out of luck if the Korean pension scheme has financial difficulties in the future?


Pension plans are doomed if the young people don't participate, as are all civil contracts. So, for this reason, I'm wary of people who would have the younger generation think it is doomed. There are some vested interests at play.

With that said, I cashed out my national pension when we moved to the private pension scheme. The monthly payments would have been a joke. I invested the money on my own and have done quite nicely on my investment.
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Mr. Kalgukshi



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This doesn't sound like good news for pension contributions gone missing:

http://bambooinnovator.com/2013/08/14/koreas-national-pension-service-nps-is-under-fire-for-poor-management-of-taxpayers-money-after-it-was-found-to-have-provided-pensions-worth-51-3-million-to-unqualified-people-between-200/
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Stan Rogers



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Similar scams happen in other countries with their pension plans. It's a drop in the bucket at best when you compare the amount of fraud to the size of the Korean pension fund. They have a well funded plan that is in much better condition than many western pension funds.
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Mr. Kalgukshi



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stan Rogers wrote:
Similar scams happen in other countries with their pension plans. It's a drop in the bucket at best when you compare the amount of fraud to the size of the Korean pension fund. They have a well funded plan that is in much better condition than many western pension funds.


Wow! That's really encouraging and so I'll tell my friend his missing pensions funds are just a drop in the bucket and he should expect then back very soon due to the sterling reputation of the Korean pension plan, as evidenced by the corruption posting above.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd tell him that his pension is gone and he is very unlikely to ever see a won of it...even if it is investigated and found in his favor as the time limit has expired.

This is from Korea's NPS


Quote:
Article 115 (Period of Prescription)
(1) The right of the NPS to collect or recover pension contributions, funds to be
recovered, and other dues under this Act shall expire if it is not exercised within
three years, and the right of beneficiaries or insured persons to claim benefits or to
receive any excessive or erroneous contributions shall expire if it is not exercised
within five years
.


(bolding mine)

I feel for him...but I don't see him getting anything back from this...UNLESS he started the investigation prior to the expiry date (as the NPS appears to allow for this).
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12ax7



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
I'd tell him that his pension is gone and he is very unlikely to ever see a won of it...even if it is investigated and found in his favor as the time limit has expired.

This is from Korea's NPS


Quote:
Article 115 (Period of Prescription)
(1) The right of the NPS to collect or recover pension contributions, funds to be
recovered, and other dues under this Act shall expire if it is not exercised within
three years, and the right of beneficiaries or insured persons to claim benefits or to
receive any excessive or erroneous contributions shall expire if it is not exercised
within five years
.


(bolding mine)

I feel for him...but I don't see him getting anything back from this...UNLESS he started the investigation prior to the expiry date (as the NPS appears to allow for this).


What odd about that is that when I opted to cash out, the guy on the phone was trying to convince me it was a bad idea because he said it would accumulate interest until I retired.
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Mr. Kalgukshi



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It also makes zero sense in so far as the requirements under the U.S. - Korea Reciprocal Social Security Agreement. It you haven't read it, read it as it will do away with some of the myths being spread about here. You can find it on the U.S. Embassy, Seoul, website.
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atwood



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately for your friend, I believe TUM is for once, proving the old adage about blind pigs, right. I've heard it from many sources that you can't let it sit there for more than five years after you quit working in Korea.

I agree it doesn't make sense, but that seems to be the SOP.
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Stan Rogers



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
I'd tell him that his pension is gone and he is very unlikely to ever see a won of it...even if it is investigated and found in his favor as the time limit has expired.

This is from Korea's NPS


Quote:
Article 115 (Period of Prescription)
(1) The right of the NPS to collect or recover pension contributions, funds to be
recovered, and other dues under this Act shall expire if it is not exercised within
three years, and the right of beneficiaries or insured persons to claim benefits or to
receive any excessive or erroneous contributions shall expire if it is not exercised
within five years
.


(bolding mine)

I feel for him...but I don't see him getting anything back from this...UNLESS he started the investigation prior to the expiry date (as the NPS appears to allow for this).


I'm sorry to say it too but I think you are right. He's not going to see a cent of that money if it exists. I still suspect that his pension was recollected by the school when they changed plans and they paid it to him. He mistook it for his severance, or was told it was his severance.

I wish him the best of luck.
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Swampfox10mm



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Kalgukshi wrote:
Swampfox10mm wrote:
I imagine the teachers at said univ are currently pretty worried and checking on their money?


Did you ever think this could be bigger than just one university?


Not really. Two people from our school have left recently and received their money. This sounds like an isolated incident. MOD EDIT
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