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Kwangjuchicken
Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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| I think that the grammar coma rule is that when a simple grammar point takes pages in a book that one might fall into a coma. |
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 4:28 am Post subject: |
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| YTMND wrote: |
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| e.g., I invited the twins, Sarah and Kathy. |
That's different, those two go together. It's not listing, but identifying also.
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| e.g. I invited my sister, Kathy, and Sarah. |
Again, that's not a list.
I was asking about listing. (ex: "I invited Bob, Sarah, and Jim" or "I invited Bob, Sarah and Jim.")
3 distinct separate things or people. |
Um, if you can't understand what I wrote, I don't know what to tell you. Good luck! |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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| Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| transmogrifier wrote: |
| YTMND wrote: |
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| e.g., I invited the twins, Sarah and Kathy. |
That's different, those two go together. It's not listing, but identifying also.
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| e.g. I invited my sister, Kathy, and Sarah. |
Again, that's not a list.
I was asking about listing. (ex: "I invited Bob, Sarah, and Jim" or "I invited Bob, Sarah and Jim.")
3 distinct separate things or people. |
Um, if you can't understand what I wrote, I don't know what to tell you. Good luck! |
I do understand what you posted, do you understand what I am saying?
http://www.ehow.com/how_4548806_use-comma-list.html
For example: "She likes chocolate, vanilla, strawberry and pistachio ice cream."
I can understand why it is "She likes chocolate, vanilla, strawberry and pistachio ice cream." and not "She likes chocolate, vanilla, strawberry, and pistachio ice cream."
I was asking about something different though. Try again. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| YTMND wrote: |
| transmogrifier wrote: |
| YTMND wrote: |
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| e.g., I invited the twins, Sarah and Kathy. |
That's different, those two go together. It's not listing, but identifying also.
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| e.g. I invited my sister, Kathy, and Sarah. |
Again, that's not a list.
I was asking about listing. (ex: "I invited Bob, Sarah, and Jim" or "I invited Bob, Sarah and Jim.")
3 distinct separate things or people. |
Um, if you can't understand what I wrote, I don't know what to tell you. Good luck! |
I do understand what you posted, do you understand what I am saying?
http://www.ehow.com/how_4548806_use-comma-list.html
For example: "She likes chocolate, vanilla, strawberry and pistachio ice cream."
I can understand why it is "She likes chocolate, vanilla, strawberry and pistachio ice cream." and not "She likes chocolate, vanilla, strawberry, and pistachio ice cream."
I was asking about something different though. Try again. |
Your simple answer has been given.
It's optional.
Others have been trying to understand how anyone could not understand that simple point, and they have given good examples to show where some one might not get it.
But you got it...right?
Move on.
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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| YTMND wrote: |
I do understand what you posted, do you understand what I am saying?
http://www.ehow.com/how_4548806_use-comma-list.html
For example: "She likes chocolate, vanilla, strawberry and pistachio ice cream."
I can understand why it is "She likes chocolate, vanilla, strawberry and pistachio ice cream." and not "She likes chocolate, vanilla, strawberry, and pistachio ice cream."
I was asking about something different though. Try again. |
No, I honestly have no idea what you are saying. You are in your own little world. I will not try again because I see no utility in it at all. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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She likes chocolate ice cream.
She likes vanilla ice cream.
She likes strawberry ice cream.
She even likes pistachio ice cream.
But she doesn't like chocolate, vanilla, strawberry and pistachio ice cream. |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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| Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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Your simple answer has been given.
It's optional. |
I know, and I agree.
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| Others have been trying to understand how anyone could not understand that simple point, |
I do understand it, and I agree.
Because I reply to someone who disagrees, that means I don't understand? 
I am not saying you don't understand because you replied to me. |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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| Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| transmogrifier wrote: |
| YTMND wrote: |
I do understand what you posted, do you understand what I am saying?
http://www.ehow.com/how_4548806_use-comma-list.html
For example: "She likes chocolate, vanilla, strawberry and pistachio ice cream."
I can understand why it is "She likes chocolate, vanilla, strawberry and pistachio ice cream." and not "She likes chocolate, vanilla, strawberry, and pistachio ice cream."
I was asking about something different though. Try again. |
No, I honestly have no idea what you are saying. You are in your own little world. I will not try again because I see no utility in it at all. |
Ok, I will spell it out:
1) She likes chocolate, vanilla, strawberry and pistachio ice cream.
2) She likes to eat chocolate, vanilla, and strawberries.
In sentence 1 there are 4 things listed without a comma before the "and". I can understand why there is no comma before "and". However, some people say in sentence 2 that the comma before "and" is not necessary.
As far as I am concerned, it is optional. Some people disagree and think it is either comma or no comma. Hence, the thread was started to get people's opinions.
I am not trying to learn something here, I am simply getting other teachers' opinions. I hope this isn't wrong |
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:56 pm Post subject: Re: Grammar - What is the comma rule here? |
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When you list things, how many commas do you need?
"A, B, and C" or "A, B and C"
I am seeing it used both ways, and my students are telling me that they were taught to do "A, B and C" while I have always thought it was supposed to be "1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10"
It doesn't matter how many, the last one gets the "and" with a comma before it. It seems like they read another rule "Don't put a comma AFTER the last one" and translated it incorrectly as "Don't put a comma BEFORE the last one".
Is only one of us right? Are both acceptable? |
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In sentence 1 there are 4 things listed without a comma before the "and". I can understand why there is no comma before "and". However, some people say in sentence 2 that the comma before "and" is not necessary.
As far as I am concerned, it is optional. Some people disagree and think it is either comma or no comma. Hence, the thread was started to get people's opinions.
I am not trying to learn something here, I am simply getting other teachers' opinions. I hope this isn't wrong |
You can't even seem to be able to figure out what you yourself are saying, so no wonder you are having trouble with a whole other person's opinion.
I'll try again, because you seem to be working yourself into a tizzy.
Person A: "I never use the comma!"
Person A, following their rule, writes "I invited the twins, Sarah and John," meaning he invited four people. However, because of his application of the no comma rule, his sentence LOOKS like he is identifying the twins as Sarah and. John.
Person B: "I always use the comma!"
Person B, following their rule, writes "I invited my sister, Kathy, and Frank," meaning he invited three people, but because of his application of the yes comma rule, it LOOKS as if if he is identifying Kathy as his sister.
YTMND: "Derp! That's not a list, that's identification! Derp! I was talking about lists!"
transmogrifier: "WTF?" |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| BAH! Who cares about the Oxford rules? |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| If ABC are distinct then its A,B, and C. Commas are used for clarity primarily. A, B and C might indicate B and C go together or are connected. Therefore it depends on the logic in ABC that you are stating. |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap
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| Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| YTMND wrote: |
| I am not trying to learn something here... |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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| Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 2:09 am Post subject: Re: Grammar - What is the comma rule here? |
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| transmogrifier wrote: |
| YTMND wrote: |
When you list things, how many commas do you need?
"A, B, and C" or "A, B and C"
I am seeing it used both ways, and my students are telling me that they were taught to do "A, B and C" while I have always thought it was supposed to be "1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10"
It doesn't matter how many, the last one gets the "and" with a comma before it. It seems like they read another rule "Don't put a comma AFTER the last one" and translated it incorrectly as "Don't put a comma BEFORE the last one".
Is only one of us right? Are both acceptable? |
| YTMND wrote: |
In sentence 1 there are 4 things listed without a comma before the "and". I can understand why there is no comma before "and". However, some people say in sentence 2 that the comma before "and" is not necessary.
As far as I am concerned, it is optional. Some people disagree and think it is either comma or no comma. Hence, the thread was started to get people's opinions.
I am not trying to learn something here, I am simply getting other teachers' opinions. I hope this isn't wrong |
You can't even seem to be able to figure out what you yourself are saying, so no wonder you are having trouble with a whole other person's opinion.
I'll try again, because you seem to be working yourself into a tizzy.
Person A: "I never use the comma!"
Person A, following their rule, writes "I invited the twins, Sarah and John," meaning he invited four people. However, because of his application of the no comma rule, his sentence LOOKS like he is identifying the twins as Sarah and. John.
Person B: "I always use the comma!"
Person B, following their rule, writes "I invited my sister, Kathy, and Frank," meaning he invited three people, but because of his application of the yes comma rule, it LOOKS as if if he is identifying Kathy as his sister.
YTMND: "Derp! That's not a list, that's identification! Derp! I was talking about lists!"
transmogrifier: "WTF?" |
Only one mistake, I am person A. I started the topic.
I am not asking you to go on a tangent. I am asking you to reply to the original post. Can you do that McFry? |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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| Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 2:10 am Post subject: Re: Grammar - What is the comma rule here? |
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| YTMND wrote: |
When you list things, how many commas do you need?
"A, B, and C" or "A, B and C"
I am seeing it used both ways, and my students are telling me that they were taught to do "A, B and C" while I have always thought it was supposed to be "1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10"
It doesn't matter how many, the last one gets the "and" with a comma before it. It seems like they read another rule "Don't put a comma AFTER the last one" and translated it incorrectly as "Don't put a comma BEFORE the last one".
Is only one of us right? Are both acceptable? |
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:55 am Post subject: |
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| What the hell is wrong with you? |
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