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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:15 pm Post subject: Korean teachers draw lowest esteem |
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Korean teachers draw lowest esteem
A survey of 21 advanced countries shows student respect for teachers is the lowest in Korea.
The multinational study polled 1,000 adults in each of 21 OECD member countries, compiled by Prof. Peter Dolton of the University of Sussex and published by Varkey GEMS.
Only 11 percent of the Korean respondents said students respect their teachers.
A majority of Korean respondents don’t trust teachers to give good education, giving them 5.4 points on a scale of 10. The average was 6.3.
Israel and Japan are the only two that showed a higher mistrust figure.
Three quarters in China answered that students respected their teachers.
Korean teachers claimed the third highest place in the pay ranking at $43,874 per year.
Singapore and the United States are first and second respectively at $45,755 and $44,917.
In terms of country rank, Korean students rank with those of high academic achievement.
“However, this strong positive trend was not consistent across the different variables explored in this study,” the report said.
Korean respondents gave thumbs down to their education system, giving it 4.4 points. The average was 5.5.
Despite low respect for teachers, the study found 48 percent of Korean adults would encourage their child to become one.
Respondents in China compared teachers with doctors in terms of job respect, while Japanese respondents compared them with government officials. |
Interesting considering that when I first came here, nearly everyone told me how much Koreans respect teachers. |
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maximmm
Joined: 01 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: Korean teachers draw lowest esteem |
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Korean teachers draw lowest esteem
A survey of 21 advanced countries shows student respect for teachers is the lowest in Korea.
The multinational study polled 1,000 adults in each of 21 OECD member countries, compiled by Prof. Peter Dolton of the University of Sussex and published by Varkey GEMS.
Only 11 percent of the Korean respondents said students respect their teachers.
A majority of Korean respondents don’t trust teachers to give good education, giving them 5.4 points on a scale of 10. The average was 6.3.
Israel and Japan are the only two that showed a higher mistrust figure.
Three quarters in China answered that students respected their teachers.
Korean teachers claimed the third highest place in the pay ranking at $43,874 per year.
Singapore and the United States are first and second respectively at $45,755 and $44,917.
In terms of country rank, Korean students rank with those of high academic achievement.
“However, this strong positive trend was not consistent across the different variables explored in this study,” the report said.
Korean respondents gave thumbs down to their education system, giving it 4.4 points. The average was 5.5.
Despite low respect for teachers, the study found 48 percent of Korean adults would encourage their child to become one.
Respondents in China compared teachers with doctors in terms of job respect, while Japanese respondents compared them with government officials. |
Interesting considering that when I first came here, nearly everyone told me how much Koreans respect teachers. |
I think the respect for teachers is still there - not only among students, but amongst the adults as well. One has to wonder if the hagwon/public school systems are getting mixed up a bit in this poll - I know that public school teachers are well respected in ROK. |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:40 pm Post subject: Re: Korean teachers draw lowest esteem |
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| maximmm wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
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Korean teachers draw lowest esteem
A survey of 21 advanced countries shows student respect for teachers is the lowest in Korea.
The multinational study polled 1,000 adults in each of 21 OECD member countries, compiled by Prof. Peter Dolton of the University of Sussex and published by Varkey GEMS.
Only 11 percent of the Korean respondents said students respect their teachers.
A majority of Korean respondents don’t trust teachers to give good education, giving them 5.4 points on a scale of 10. The average was 6.3.
Israel and Japan are the only two that showed a higher mistrust figure.
Three quarters in China answered that students respected their teachers.
Korean teachers claimed the third highest place in the pay ranking at $43,874 per year.
Singapore and the United States are first and second respectively at $45,755 and $44,917.
In terms of country rank, Korean students rank with those of high academic achievement.
“However, this strong positive trend was not consistent across the different variables explored in this study,” the report said.
Korean respondents gave thumbs down to their education system, giving it 4.4 points. The average was 5.5.
Despite low respect for teachers, the study found 48 percent of Korean adults would encourage their child to become one.
Respondents in China compared teachers with doctors in terms of job respect, while Japanese respondents compared them with government officials. |
Interesting considering that when I first came here, nearly everyone told me how much Koreans respect teachers. |
I think the respect for teachers is still there - not only among students, but amongst the adults as well. One has to wonder if the hagwon/public school systems are getting mixed up a bit in this poll - I know that public school teachers are well respected in ROK. |
From what I hear it's just the opposite. I have heard many, many moms complain about the public school teachers: lazy beauracrats with jobs for life who just can't be bothered to care. Of course moms can't vote with their feet as they can with hagwons. |
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RangerMcGreggor
Joined: 12 Jan 2011
Location: Somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| I question the accuracy of the survey as it is surveying ADULTS about how they think CHILDREN view their teachers and handled. You're getting a mix of helicopter parents and "things in my day were better!" people |
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OBwannabe
Joined: 16 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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I wonder how they came up with the pay rankings? I don't think the STARTING salary in Canada is as low as the average salaries quoted here.
Average teacher's salary is 63,000/yr in Ontario. But they also max out at $95,000/yr with 6 years of education.
Then again, maybe Canada wasn't included. They did say 21 Advanced Countries. I kid.... 
Personally I would take $$$ over respect. |
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wooden nickels
Joined: 23 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:26 am Post subject: Re: Korean teachers draw lowest esteem |
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| radcon wrote: |
| maximmm wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
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Korean teachers draw lowest esteem
A survey of 21 advanced countries shows student respect for teachers is the lowest in Korea.
The multinational study polled 1,000 adults in each of 21 OECD member countries, compiled by Prof. Peter Dolton of the University of Sussex and published by Varkey GEMS.
Only 11 percent of the Korean respondents said students respect their teachers.
A majority of Korean respondents don’t trust teachers to give good education, giving them 5.4 points on a scale of 10. The average was 6.3.
Israel and Japan are the only two that showed a higher mistrust figure.
Three quarters in China answered that students respected their teachers.
Korean teachers claimed the third highest place in the pay ranking at $43,874 per year.
Singapore and the United States are first and second respectively at $45,755 and $44,917.
In terms of country rank, Korean students rank with those of high academic achievement.
“However, this strong positive trend was not consistent across the different variables explored in this study,” the report said.
Korean respondents gave thumbs down to their education system, giving it 4.4 points. The average was 5.5.
Despite low respect for teachers, the study found 48 percent of Korean adults would encourage their child to become one.
Respondents in China compared teachers with doctors in terms of job respect, while Japanese respondents compared them with government officials. |
Interesting considering that when I first came here, nearly everyone told me how much Koreans respect teachers. |
I think the respect for teachers is still there - not only among students, but amongst the adults as well. One has to wonder if the hagwon/public school systems are getting mixed up a bit in this poll - I know that public school teachers are well respected in ROK. |
From what I hear it's just the opposite. I have heard many, many moms complain about the public school teachers: lazy beauracrats with jobs for life who just can't be bothered to care. Of course moms can't vote with their feet as they can with hagwons. |
Yep. From what I hear it's just the opposite also. My spouse and I are talking with mothers on a daily basis. The mothers really don't like the public school system for the most part because of its teachers and their lazy attitude.
I heard the same thing working here in the public system.
I did some time in the public school system in Korea and I was amazed at the lack of effort put in by the Korean teachers. By far the worst teachers I have encountered have been the public school teachers in Korea. And, I have taught in 5 countries, 4 in the public system.
Now the big private schools that are monitored by the government are a different story. Those schools are expected to perform and aren't easy to get in. The teachers can easily be given the boot, and often are, if the students aren't performing at the highest standard in the surrounding area. These parents are putting out the big bucks trying to get their kids in one of the SKY schools. |
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:55 am Post subject: |
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My kids' teachers are excellent. I think they do a great job.
I think for many Korean parents, no amount of effort by the teachers would be enough. |
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Squire
Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Location: Jeollanam-do
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| Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Many people in Korean public schools do nothing of any importance. Principles and the school nurses are high on that list, and even the homeroom teachers barely teach half of their students' lessons, and never have to go outside to keep an eye on the kids during break/lunch time. In fact as soon as their own classes are over their kids can be doing practically anything and they won't get take responsibility. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Some from what I have seen only teach the book and that's it. But others do lots of planning and come up with their own extra materials to make the lesson taught more interesting and complain about the idea of using the books alone. I guess it does depend on the school and the principal, though. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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I always question the whole make a lesson 'interesting'. Sometimes you just can't make things interesting, like cough... cough... math. You just have to present the material and then it's up to the students to take it in.
How do you explain a cosine wave in a more exciting way? (and don't say use a rope, because I thought that was super lame)
Anyways, I think Korean teachers do a fine job. Well, just as well as teachers anywhere else in the world. Not, better, not worse. The book is a way to standardize the education. So, that every student gets exposed to the same material. It's the hagwons that give them solutions to tests. Hagwons do not make them better thinkers though. And most people think their own education system blow anyways. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:23 am Post subject: |
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| Squire wrote: |
| Many people in Korean public schools do nothing of any importance. Principles and the school nurses are high on that list, and even the homeroom teachers barely teach half of their students' lessons, and never have to go outside to keep an eye on the kids during break/lunch time. In fact as soon as their own classes are over their kids can be doing practically anything and they won't get take responsibility. |
Principals here don't take any responsibility. They're merely liaison figures to the education board. Principals get paid too much for doing something very little. And then there are VPs who often act like the heads of B**M dungeons. I can see why public school teachers here are very frustrated. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Squire wrote: |
| Many people in Korean public schools do nothing of any importance. Principles and the school nurses are high on that list, and even the homeroom teachers barely teach half of their students' lessons, and never have to go outside to keep an eye on the kids during break/lunch time. In fact as soon as their own classes are over their kids can be doing practically anything and they won't get take responsibility. |
Principals here don't take any responsibility. They're merely liaison figures to the education board. Principals get paid too much for doing something very little. And then there are VPs who often act like the heads of B**M dungeons. I can see why public school teachers here are very frustrated. |
Don't you know Korean culture is to work your butt off, take lots of abuse, and then get a plum job if you earn enough points? Once you're a higher up plum, you delegate lots of work to your underlings and become like Arthur Carlson on that old TV show "WKRP". You become like Queen Elizabeth in some ways. As for the teachers, they get loaded with lots of ridiculous paperwork from the city and provincial offices of education that I don't think a teacher in the west has. Western based teachers can focus most of their energies on the students themselves. Also, I don't know how much laziness is involved when the teachers aren't allowed to discipline their students. (Though, I agree, they could keep an eye out for bullys and the school prinicipals could mete some punishment to the worst offenders.) |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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Hagwons do not make them better thinkers though.
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Sure, but something like language learning is largely rote no matter how one approaches it, so hagwons are actually pretty well suited to it, at least in theory. The same with other skill-based subjects, like music or martial arts. It's also skill-based subjects which are the easiest to make entertaining fortunately, though I think there's a lot to be said for non-entertaining English education. |
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BackRow
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 4:47 am Post subject: |
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korean teachers are fine, korean students however act incredibly spoiled and selfish in the classroom when compared to students from other countries
the stereotype about asian kids being angels may be true in in some parts of the continent, but korea may as well be the PG-13 version of dangerous minds |
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happiness
Joined: 04 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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that because they cant beat the kids anymore
this country is still mentally a dictatorship, and if you agree or not with the methods,
the corporal punsihment made the kids focus better.
Now, those are gone, but the mindset is still there, and will be for at least a few more genreations, or maybe itll not change.,
Korea is nothing but a power struggle , for position, for resources, for the vague and unattainable idea of socail position,
theres no mistake this place is a social stew of strange ingredients that dont mix.
I also think K-teachers are pretty good, at what they do, which is drilling things into kids heads, but they cant initmidate any more, and Korea needs a bit of that.
Ymmv |
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