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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Kuros wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| I suspect the push to legalize marijuana will result in a liberal victory in the next few years. Cory Booker is said to be working with Rand Paul on the issue. |
Marijuana legalization isn't simply a "liberal" position, Rand Paul's eager willingness to pursue it being indicator number one thereof. |
I agree. But many social conservatives see it as part of the "culture war". |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:09 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| the next big battle will be over contraception and personhood and I don't think the radical conservatives can win it. |
I will never forgive the Evangelicals and the opportunistic Left for co-opting and perverting what should be a sane, straightforward, secular discussion about the rights of a fetal person. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| geldedgoat wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| the next big battle will be over contraception and personhood and I don't think the radical conservatives can win it. |
I will never forgive the Evangelicals and the opportunistic Left for co-opting and perverting what should be a sane, straightforward, secular discussion about the rights of a fetal person. |
Jesus would want you to forgive them.
Not sure you can have a sane, straightforward, secular discussion with people who use the phrase 'fetal person.' |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Compared to the absolutely inane term "corporate personhood," "fetal personhood" really does not seem that unreasonable. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Compared to the absolutely inane term "corporate personhood," "fetal personhood" really does not seem that unreasonable. |
Do you think it wise to accept terms as reasonable by comparing them to absolutely inane terms?
There are a lot of inane PC words and phrases out there...yes? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
Do you think it wise to accept terms as reasonable by comparing them to absolutely inane terms? |
Sometimes I feel that almost everything about our society can only be construed as reasonable if compared to far more inane things. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Its not unreasonable that people would want to attribute personhood to a feotus. Or rather, its not transparently self-serving. |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| Not sure you can have a sane, straightforward, secular discussion with people who use the phrase 'fetal person.' |
I'm sure you find the terms "temporary parasite," "cancer with potential," or the ever bland "clump of cells" much more palatable. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| Its not unreasonable that people would want to attribute personhood to a feotus. Or rather, its not transparently self-serving. |
It eventually gets so complicated that people can't even manage to spell the original word.
Not knocking your spelling...but wtf...please...fetus.
The American simplifications in spelling make good sense...at times.
I haven't suggested that point was unreasonable...the PC language is unreasonable...and annoying.
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| I'm sure you find the terms "temporary parasite," "cancer with potential," or the ever bland "clump of cells" much more palatable. |
Get a grip.
| Fox wrote: |
Sometimes I feel that almost everything about our society can only be construed as reasonable if compared to far more inane things. |
Yes, that sentiment is common, but not admirable...yes? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:02 am Post subject: |
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| catman wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| I suspect the push to legalize marijuana will result in a liberal victory in the next few years. Cory Booker is said to be working with Rand Paul on the issue. |
Marijuana legalization isn't simply a "liberal" position, Rand Paul's eager willingness to pursue it being indicator number one thereof. |
I agree. But many social conservatives see it as part of the "culture war". |
This may explain why I chose to use the word 'liberal':
To be specific, 65% of Democrats and 62% of indies support legalization, as compared to 35% of Republicans. Even more predictably, there is an inverse relationship between support for legalization and age: 67% of under-30s and 62% of those 30-50 are there; and even a solid majority (56-40) of folks 50-64 have no problem with street-legal wacky tobacky. Only seniors oppose legalization, but even they do so by a narrow 53-45 margin.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/ |
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