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Smithington
Joined: 14 Dec 2011
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 Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: On University Student behavior |
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[quote="OptimalOptimus"] I like my job. As a university professor.[/quote]
Here we go again. 
Your PHD is from where? |
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Again? The post is three years old. You're the one starting it up. Don't we have enough threads discussing this bullshit already? |
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cabeza
Joined: 29 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| I think because the OP is the writer of the article in the KT about losers in Korea. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| OptimalOptimus wrote: |
| I'm 30 years old, not 300. My memory is not "stale!" |
Well, its odd you would say this about University back home then. I am not trying to offend you, it is just that you seem to have missed certain changes in student behavior in universities back home.
From discussion with some friends I have teaching at a couple of Canadian Universities, in Freshman classes it has become the norm to have a growing portion of your students spend a significant amount of class time texting on their cell, goofing off on their lap top....
Just a sign of the times I guess.
Heck, we just had a staff metting at my work (public sector) and one of the new employees we hired 4 months ago was texting on her cell during the meeting when a senior supervisor was present....sign of the times! |
I graduated in 2001. Basically anything goes, as long as you're not disrupting the lecture by making noise. However, once someone made enough noise to bother students actually wanting to listen that's when they'll be called out pretty fast. Back then it was pretty much sleeping, gaming on a gameboy, or doodling on your paper. Tuition is expensive, and a lot of vocal studious students will call you out pretty fast. Or the professor will tell you to leave. At least that was my experience in the dinosaur-era of the late-90's.
So to the OP, if they are making enough noise to disrupt students wanting to listen, show them the door. And remind them that someone is paying their tuition. |
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frankhenry
Joined: 13 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:54 am Post subject: Re: On University Student behavior |
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[quote="Smithington"]
| OptimalOptimus wrote: |
I like my job. As a university professor.[/quote]
Here we go again.
Your PHD is from where? |
Lived in Japan, China, and Korea. 30 years old. Professor. |
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ThePoet
Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: No longer in Korea - just lurking here
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| Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:02 am Post subject: |
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I love how OP's pout and stop contributing to their own threads when they realize their complaints on being poor done-by are meeting with ridicule because thier troubles really aren't so bad. First of all...if the OP is 30, he doesn't remember all these bad students in his previous colleges because he was probably (inadvertently possibly) one of them.
Second of all, I am an instructional designer at a polytechnic in Alberta, Canada with 25,000 students...trust me, the loud students during class time and tests, the dissociative students in classrooms as I walk by, and the ignorant students who swing a backpack at you as they are turning in an elevator and knocking your coffee onto your shirt. It's happening here in droves too. When I lived in Korea, the only thing I ever got tired of was the mock "helloooooo" from young people. The rest is actually very easy to deal with.
The Poet |
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ajuma
Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!
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| Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:31 am Post subject: |
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| Thiuda wrote: |
I have a very simple system that ensures that students in my classes come prepared, do their homework and pay attention.
First, I provide a very clearly structured, easy to read syllabus that spells out exactly how the students will be evaluated: mid-term 30%, final 30%, homework 20%, attendance 20%. The syllabus also provides them with a detailed schedule that includes what will be covered in class on which days, what page numbers in the text will be covered, and what needs to be completed for homework and handed in when.
Second, I explain to my students that an absence is penalized at -5%. So, the first absence is -5%, the second -10%, the third -15% and the fourth -20%. A fifth absence is an automatic fail. Excused absences are not penalized, though five excused absences also lead to an automatic fail. A late is penalized at 2.5% the fist time, 2.5% the second time, and thereafter each late is counted as an absence.
Third, I assign homework 12 times a semester. Each completed homework assignment is worth 2%, so students can miss homework twice and still receive the full 20%. I check homework every week and, crucially, I accept homework only at the beginning of the class in which it is due. I do not accept assignments at the end of class, nor the following week. If students are absent, I expect them to hand in homework through a proxy.
Fourth, I let students know that if they do not come prepared, i.e. no books and no pens, they will be marked absent.
If there is an issue with student behaviour, I deal with it immediately and publicly. If a student is sleeping, for example, I wake them up and ask them why they are sleeping. If students come in late, I ask them to come to the front of them room and ask them to explain, in English, why they are late. When students are in danger of failing I ask them to stay after class and explain to them that they are in danger of failing and that should they [insert problem here] again, they will fail. If a student fails during the semester, i.e. when it becomes impossible for them to pass my course based in the number of points that they've lost, I ask them to please not attend class anymore.
When it comes to mobiles, I tell students that if they need to make a phone call, or send a text message, they should get up quietly, leave the classroom and return once they've finished - just as if they'd have to go to the bathroom.
The above may not work for everyone, but I think the system has its merits: students know exactly what is required of them if they want to earn a decent grade, and the immediate consequences for poor performance provide a strong disincentive for disruptive behaviour. It is important, though, that the above system is tempered by being friendly and approachable, and by providing lots of positive feedback to the students. |
My system is similar, with some modifications. If a student asks to go to the bathroom, they must leave their phone in the classroom. It sure cuts down on them leaving the room! If I see them texting, I take their phones and leave them on my desk until the end of class.
I do the same with those who talk while I'm talking. I stop, stare at the offenders and wait until they stop. EVERY time! The sleepers I wake up by swiping the board marker across their hand. As for the girls putting on make-up or looking in mirrors, I say "Yeah, honey, you're beautiful. Put it away." And I wait until they do.
The thing is, we're pretty far into the semester, so any rules you make now will reflect badly on you at evaluation time. If you make your rules clear from the first day, the students respect that and will follow them as far as their hormone/alcohol-laced brains will allow. Why in the world you have allowed this kind of behavior to go on is beyond me! |
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