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Wovaki
Joined: 28 Sep 2012 Location: Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 11:54 am Post subject: Applying to EPIK and hagwons simultaneously |
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Hello!
I want to teach English in Busan and I'm trying to get everything in order. I want to be ready for the Fall 2014 intake. I'm not particular about whether I teach with EPIK in a public school or at a private school, but when I talked to recruiters about it, they seemed to be hesitant about applying to both at the same time.
Is there any reason I shouldn't apply to both at the same time? I'm afraid if I only apply to EPIK and I am denied, then it will be too late to find a private school job. There's also the problem that EPIK doesn't guarantee placement in your preferred location. As I said, I'm not picky about the job. I just want to get my foot in the door, since Busan is so competitive.
Thanks!
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Zalithian
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Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Apply to EPIK through one recruiter and hagwons through another. The recruiter doesn't want to look bad if you decline EPIK after getting a job with them. They won't know if you apply through hagwons via a different recruiter though. |
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Wovaki
Joined: 28 Sep 2012 Location: Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Zalithian wrote: |
| Apply to EPIK through one recruiter and hagwons through another. The recruiter doesn't want to look bad if you decline EPIK after getting a job with them. They won't know if you apply through hagwons via a different recruiter though. |
I was thinking of applying to EPIK directly. Do you think that's recommended or not?
Also, I have seen many discussions about using multiple recruiters for hagwons. Recruiters say it would be a problem if you go through multiple recruiters and submit multiple applications to the same school.
I want to maximize my job opportunities, so I would think it would be better to use multiple recruiters for hagwons, since I'm sure some recruiters will have hagwons others won't. |
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young_clinton
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Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't see how applying to EPIK directly or applying through a recruiter makes any difference. But why only apply only to EPIK for a public school teaching job? You should use non-EPIK recruiters for public school jobs all over Korea. You might try Korea Horizons. EPIK is a major crapshoot and you shouldn't sit around wasting money on it. |
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Zalithian
Joined: 26 Mar 2013
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Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 10:06 am Post subject: |
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| It's better to apply to EPIK directly. You'll get interviewed faster and be able to submit your documents earlier. I don't know if there's any real benefit to having a recruiter. I heard sometimes they might be able to give you a choice between a couple places but nothing guaranteed. This way you can definitely just use a recruiter for hagwons. You could do that anyway, but you'd be better off with different recruiters in that case. |
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mayorhaggar
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Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| The main good thing about applying to EPIK through a recruiter is having someone else reviewing your application to make sure everything is correct, and giving you advice about what to put in your application and what to say at the interview. But definitely it will slow down the process and you will learn about your placement quite a bit later than if you applied directly on your own. |
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Zalithian
Joined: 26 Mar 2013
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Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| EPIK tells you how to fix your application during the interview anyway, so unless you're really bad at following directions - having a recruiter isn't really even beneficial for that. You can just as easily google EPIK interview questions too. I feel like it's totally pointless to have a recruiter for EPIK. They're really more like recruiters in the first place. Why add another? |
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Wovaki
Joined: 28 Sep 2012 Location: Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:02 am Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
| I don't see how applying to EPIK directly or applying through a recruiter makes any difference. But why only apply only to EPIK for a public school teaching job? You should use non-EPIK recruiters for public school jobs all over Korea. You might try Korea Horizons. EPIK is a major crapshoot and you shouldn't sit around wasting money on it. |
I was told that going through EPIK was the only way to get into public school jobs, at least in Busan.
I know EPIK is a big crapshoot, but I want to maximize my job opportunities. Is it okay to apply to both EPIK and other public school jobs? I heard that was a baaaaaaad idea.
Zalithian and mayorhaggar, does EPIK provide help with your application before the interview? Wouldn't it be too late if there was a problem with the application before the interview? I thought it would slow things down or possibly cause my application to be rejected.
I would kind of like having the help a recruiter would provide in doing the application, but I don't want to slow the process down. I took a quick look at the application and it's pretty big.
There are also smaller things, for example, I did a month-long internship at Konkuk University in Seoul, where I taught university students in the English Village program. I know it doesn't qualify as full-time experience or will help with my pay, but it's something that I think would increase my marketability. After all, it shows that I have done SOME teaching and I have been to Korea before, so at least I'm somewhat tested compared to someone who has never left their own country before.
So my thing is, where do I put that in my application? I also got a certificate from Konkuk University that I can show.
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Zalithian
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Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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Just don't apply to public schools that use EPIK. That would include quite a few schools in Gyeonggi but outside of Seoul (I don't know which ones) and Incheon. I guess that means you could simply apply to EPIK and GEPIK at the same time. From what I've read, that's acceptable.
For the application - yes it's annoying, but it's not difficult. If you can follow instructions you shouldn't need any help with it. Just don't put anything really stupid like you tried to kill yourself, or you have HIV, and you should be okay. In my opinion the recruiter can only slow you down. The only way I would consider using one is if they offered me a nice free phone when I arrived in Korea. I heard Korvia or some other recruiter does something like that, but I'm not sure.
I don't think EPIK helps you with the application before you submit it, but that's just my guess. I didn't ask. My recruiter said "Everyone makes mistakes on their initial application" so making a few minor mistakes won't be a problem. I had to fix some things on mine like including a more complete work experience, and making my GPA proper like 3.2/4.0 instead of the 3.2 I initially put in. I was told what to fix during the interview.
You should have a good chance to mention your teaching experience during the interview. |
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Wovaki
Joined: 28 Sep 2012 Location: Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Zalithian wrote: |
Just don't apply to public schools that use EPIK. That would include quite a few schools in Gyeonggi but outside of Seoul (I don't know which ones) and Incheon. I guess that means you could simply apply to EPIK and GEPIK at the same time. From what I've read, that's acceptable.
For the application - yes it's annoying, but it's not difficult. If you can follow instructions you shouldn't need any help with it. Just don't put anything really stupid like you tried to kill yourself, or you have HIV, and you should be okay. In my opinion the recruiter can only slow you down. The only way I would consider using one is if they offered me a nice free phone when I arrived in Korea. I heard Korvia or some other recruiter does something like that, but I'm not sure.
I don't think EPIK helps you with the application before you submit it, but that's just my guess. I didn't ask. My recruiter said "Everyone makes mistakes on their initial application" so making a few minor mistakes won't be a problem. I had to fix some things on mine like including a more complete work experience, and making my GPA proper like 3.2/4.0 instead of the 3.2 I initially put in. I was told what to fix during the interview.
You should have a good chance to mention your teaching experience during the interview. |
Thanks for the reply!
Do you know about Busan? I heard somewhere that they only hire through government programs, so I don't know if that means just EPIK or if they also have other venues as well?
I'd rather apply directly, since it's really a first-come-first-serve basis, but I also like the security of having someone look it over first. I guess I'll have to think about that.
You said "my recruiter told me..." can I ask why you decided to go with a recruiter then?
Thanks!
Rob |
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Zalithian
Joined: 26 Mar 2013
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Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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I think getting a public school job in Busan even more difficult than Seoul. I doubt they hire directly, but I wouldn't know.
Oops, I meant coordinator, sorry. Just a typo because we were talking about recruiters. I applied directly through EPIK without any issues. Everyone who applied directly got their interview way before people with recruiters. We are talking several weeks here. |
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Wovaki
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Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 8:02 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the clarification Zalithian!
I will definitely consider applying directly then. |
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