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Hokie21
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parker82
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| Looks interesting. I watched Vice's other videos about North Korea. I have this bookmarked for later viewing. |
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Hokie21
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| Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| parker82 wrote: |
| Looks interesting. I watched Vice's other videos about North Korea. I have this bookmarked for later viewing. |
A lot of their articles are garbage but they have some pretty interesting documentaries and short videos. |
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Marquis
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:17 am Post subject: |
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| Looks fantastic. Not the NK you usually see in most videos. I'm looking to venture there myself soon. |
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Hokie21
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:51 am Post subject: |
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| Marquis wrote: |
| Looks fantastic. Not the NK you usually see in most videos. I'm looking to venture there myself soon. |
It does seem like a neat place to visit. I was talking with my language exchange partner two weeks ago and she was telling me about her trip to NK, interesting stuff. |
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Leon
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Marquis
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The blood money argument isn't going to work on me. You pay taxes, especially if you're a yankee, you're funding a war somewhere, that's blood money. No different. You buy from X cooperation or Z business and you fund some sort of agenda or policy that they're pushing and I'm going to say its not the fuzzy lets make the world a better place kinda policy. |
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Leon
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Marquis wrote: |
The blood money argument isn't going to work on me. You pay taxes, especially if you're a yankee, you're funding a war somewhere, that's blood money. No different. You buy from X cooperation or Z business and you fund some sort of agenda or policy that they're pushing and I'm going to say its not the fuzzy lets make the world a better place kinda policy. |
I have to pay taxes, you don't have to go to North Korea. A small percent of my taxes goes to war and questionable politics, all foreign currency that goes into North Korea goes into perpetuating one of the worst regimes ever to exist. By going there and being paraded around and being seen admiring the regime's monuments to itself you give credence to the claim that even foreigners admire the Dear Leader. Your equivalence is false. Nothing fuzzy or indirect about that. |
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creeper1
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I watched it. The first thing that struck me was how old the riders were.
Fair play to see oldies out having fun but not so sure if this is how one ages gracefully.
Towards the end it became somewhat ridiculous. Some old guy getting emotional about the Koreas being divided.
You'd think Han blood pumped through his vains.  |
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El Bandito
Joined: 07 Oct 2013
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| Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:55 am Post subject: |
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| You can see that they had a police escort most of the way and it looks like the route was predetermined beforehand the way there were crowds along the route waving. |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| Marquis wrote: |
The blood money argument isn't going to work on me. You pay taxes, especially if you're a yankee, you're funding a war somewhere, that's blood money. No different. You buy from X cooperation or Z business and you fund some sort of agenda or policy that they're pushing and I'm going to say its not the fuzzy lets make the world a better place kinda policy. |
I have to pay taxes, you don't have to go to North Korea. A small percent of my taxes goes to war and questionable politics, all foreign currency that goes into North Korea goes into perpetuating one of the worst regimes ever to exist. By going there and being paraded around and being seen admiring the regime's monuments to itself you give credence to the claim that even foreigners admire the Dear Leader. Your equivalence is false. Nothing fuzzy or indirect about that. |
You dont have to keep any money stored in a bank account either. Do you keep all of your cash at home? |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| Marquis wrote: |
The blood money argument isn't going to work on me. You pay taxes, especially if you're a yankee, you're funding a war somewhere, that's blood money. No different. You buy from X cooperation or Z business and you fund some sort of agenda or policy that they're pushing and I'm going to say its not the fuzzy lets make the world a better place kinda policy. |
I have to pay taxes, you don't have to go to North Korea. A small percent of my taxes goes to war and questionable politics, all foreign currency that goes into North Korea goes into perpetuating one of the worst regimes ever to exist. By going there and being paraded around and being seen admiring the regime's monuments to itself you give credence to the claim that even foreigners admire the Dear Leader. Your equivalence is false. Nothing fuzzy or indirect about that. |
You dont have to keep any money stored in a bank account either. Do you keep all of your cash at home? |
Small credit union, and despite all the bad things banks do, the Kim family regime is objectively much more evil. It's not about what I do or don't do with my money anyways. |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| le-paul wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| Marquis wrote: |
The blood money argument isn't going to work on me. You pay taxes, especially if you're a yankee, you're funding a war somewhere, that's blood money. No different. You buy from X cooperation or Z business and you fund some sort of agenda or policy that they're pushing and I'm going to say its not the fuzzy lets make the world a better place kinda policy. |
I have to pay taxes, you don't have to go to North Korea. A small percent of my taxes goes to war and questionable politics, all foreign currency that goes into North Korea goes into perpetuating one of the worst regimes ever to exist. By going there and being paraded around and being seen admiring the regime's monuments to itself you give credence to the claim that even foreigners admire the Dear Leader. Your equivalence is false. Nothing fuzzy or indirect about that. |
You dont have to keep any money stored in a bank account either. Do you keep all of your cash at home? |
Small credit union, and despite all the bad things banks do, the Kim family regime is objectively much more evil. It's not about what I do or don't do with my money anyways. |
Im not sure how you would define 'much more evil'? I would have thought corruption, fueling poverty, financing global war, immorality on a super massive scale, profiting from human rights abuses etc. is about comparable to anything 'wrong'.
I don't know where you're from? Im from the UK and have a copy of this on my computer about our banks. It makes an enlightening read;
http://www.waronwant.org/attachments/Banking%20on%20Bloodshed.pdf
I don't even know where to start with the american banking system. Basically, the biggest scam ever that effects everyone and cant possibly end well for us all.
Anyway, you seem like a chap who has principles. So, I perhaps wouldn't be so quick to discount what you are in fact supporting by leaving money in your account. Its arguably as bad as supporting the Kim regime. |
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Marquis
Joined: 25 Jul 2013
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| Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| le-paul wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| Marquis wrote: |
The blood money argument isn't going to work on me. You pay taxes, especially if you're a yankee, you're funding a war somewhere, that's blood money. No different. You buy from X cooperation or Z business and you fund some sort of agenda or policy that they're pushing and I'm going to say its not the fuzzy lets make the world a better place kinda policy. |
I have to pay taxes, you don't have to go to North Korea. A small percent of my taxes goes to war and questionable politics, all foreign currency that goes into North Korea goes into perpetuating one of the worst regimes ever to exist. By going there and being paraded around and being seen admiring the regime's monuments to itself you give credence to the claim that even foreigners admire the Dear Leader. Your equivalence is false. Nothing fuzzy or indirect about that. |
You dont have to keep any money stored in a bank account either. Do you keep all of your cash at home? |
Small credit union, and despite all the bad things banks do, the Kim family regime is objectively much more evil. It's not about what I do or don't do with my money anyways. |
Im not sure how you would define 'much more evil'? I would have thought corruption, fueling poverty, financing global war, immorality on a super massive scale, profiting from human rights abuses etc. is about comparable to anything 'wrong'.
I don't know where you're from? Im from the UK and have a copy of this on my computer about our banks. It makes an enlightening read;
http://www.waronwant.org/attachments/Banking%20on%20Bloodshed.pdf
I don't even know where to start with the american banking system. Basically, the biggest scam ever that effects everyone and cant possibly end well for us all.
Anyway, you seem like a chap who has principles. So, I perhaps wouldn't be so quick to discount what you are in fact supporting by leaving money in your account. Its arguably as bad as supporting the Kim regime. |
Leon, you don't have to pay taxes, not if you're clever. And I think our other friend, le paul, catches my drift a bit. I'm not going to argue that N.K. doesn't have its issues, and I know its not some utopia, or shining light of freedom. Yet, they also don't start wars, invade countries, and steal resources(yet) at least, not on the level anywhere near the U.S.
A visit to N.K. is one of those rare things, how many people are ever going to do? A couple of hundred, tops a year. It's an opportunity that is both rare and offers a learning experience, I'll see North Korea, with my own eyes, for myself. Yes, It'll be a largely guided tour but it leaves me to make my own informed and education opinion of things. Not what CNN has told you to think or what the yank's, who think everyone who isn't a capitalist is evil, would like you to believe.
I'm attracted to learning experiences, rare opportunities, and to places that most people dare not go. This is all three, how can I resist? |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:30 am Post subject: |
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Im not sure how you would define 'much more evil'? I would have thought corruption, fueling poverty, financing global war, immorality on a super massive scale, profiting from human rights abuses etc. is about comparable to anything 'wrong'.
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Have you ever thought about seeking amnesty from the evil West with its evil leader America in North Korea? |
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