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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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 Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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Blind rabbit, you've been hunting for an opportunity to go into your anti-America schtick, and now you think you've found it. This is your stock in trade, what you use to cadge all those free drinks and cigarettes you used to crow about, isn't it? You go all out attacking America and your Korean hosts, friends, co-workers eat it up, think what a great guy you are and foot the bill.
Sorry, blind rabbit, but I'm not interested. This thread was about how high prices are in Korea, so high that Koreans are shopping overseas via the Internet, no longer satisfied with visiting the duty free shops a time or two per annum.
Go drop your little rabbit pellets elsewhere. |
atwood, this isn't an anti-American rant. And the Korean dudes I hang out with we all talk sports and take the piss out of each other. We're more concerned about girls or nailing a trifecta on EPL betting than Uncle Sam's list evils. No one cares. It's drinking and smoking and eating time.
This thread wasn't just about high prices, but the motivation behind them- namely greed.
You failed in this charge.
-Some stuff is cheaper in Korea than overseas, including non-Korean products. That has been proven.
-Other people from other countries buy stuff from the US too. How are they not greedy?
-Everyone thinks everyone else is greedy, but when it comes to their own industry and culture, that suddenly disappears. Are they really concerned about greed or is this prejudice?
-Apparently greed means to you that merchants are maximizing their money instead of maximizing your money. The merchant exists to put your wants and needs above his.
-You dismiss things such as America's greater population, access to trade, location, resources, market share, etc.
-You dismiss the fact that those Korean companies have factories in Mexico, something that surely should affect North American prices, significantly so.
-You claim that the Korean education system is driven by money, but that the American education system is driven by noble teachers, braving gun violence, who are deeply committed to the academic system and the principles of learning.
-You ignore the mountain of evidence that suggests that the American education system is deeply driven by money. Especially in the areas of athletics, textbooks schemes, and skyrocketing tuition.
-You repeatedly engage in name calling. Apparently your logical points aren't good enough. You have to resort to tossing out lame nicknames.
atwood, do the facts really support your claim of "greed"? Your claim isn't 'some goods in Korea are pricier than those in the U.S.' No one would deny that. The most obvious of course, is gasoline. However, you have not laid out a compelling case for merchant greed and seem to be willfully denying the fact that there may be other factors than merchant greed or that people other than Koreans are greedy.
It doesn't seem that you are interested in finding out why prices are higher or using data and research to draw a conclusion. Rather it seems your objective is to somehow cast Korean merchants and by extension, Koreans, as greedy people. For what reason? Probably so you can look down on them and feel better about yourself. It must be frustrating to believe that you are so much smarter and nobler than them, yet having to call one of them 'boss'. I'm sorry.
And one more thing, drop the damn "rabbit" crap. |
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Savant
Joined: 25 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| -Some stuff is cheaper in Korea than overseas, including non-Korean products. That has been proven. |
Can you name some of the stuff? Bear in mind you said cheaper not similarly priced.
A lot of products are more expensive in Korea because of the distribution systems, which goes through too many middle men who take their high cut of the final priced item. Do you disagree with this notion?
A good example of this is Hanwoo and a news reports was done this year about the reason why Hanwoo is so expensive which is because it goes through too many channels from farmer to store. |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| -Some stuff is cheaper in Korea than overseas, including non-Korean products. That has been proven. |
Can you name some of the stuff? Bear in mind you said cheaper not similarly priced.
A lot of products are more expensive in Korea because of the distribution systems, which goes through too many middle men who take their high cut of the final priced item. Do you disagree with this notion?
A good example of this is Hanwoo and a news reports was done this year about the reason why Hanwoo is so expensive which is because it goes through too many channels from farmer to store. |
Same with rice. Same with apples. There is no logical reason why apples should cost a buck each. |
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mayorhaggar
Joined: 01 Jan 2013
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| Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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Veggies are cheap as dirt here, though they're Korean veggies and so you can't get some Western menu veggies.
Fruit seems to be a novelty here, as you can see by the high prices and the ridiculous gift-wrapping of them. And you can only ever get massive bundles or boxes of fruit instead of just one or just a few. I think the Korean concept of fruit is that you buy a ton for a special occasion and then share with everyone you know. Basically kind of a small-town rural attitude, much like a lot of what goes on here. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| -Some stuff is cheaper in Korea than overseas, including non-Korean products. That has been proven. |
Can you name some of the stuff? Bear in mind you said cheaper not similarly priced.
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Fair enough. The stuff I'm thinking of that's cheaper, like bottled water or chips, more falls under "similarly priced" and comes down to at most 10 cents of difference. For other things, its a similar percentage of "cheaper". But yeah, most goods top to bottom if they are cheaper in Korea, are still similar.
Other things? Maybe over the counter pharmaceuticals would be significantly cheaper. Although in most cases its a different antacid or anti-inflammatory and a different brand. Stationery items.
Services tend to be significantly cheaper here however. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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Blind rabbit, you've been hunting for an opportunity to go into your anti-America schtick, and now you think you've found it. This is your stock in trade, what you use to cadge all those free drinks and cigarettes you used to crow about, isn't it? You go all out attacking America and your Korean hosts, friends, co-workers eat it up, think what a great guy you are and foot the bill.
Sorry, blind rabbit, but I'm not interested. This thread was about how high prices are in Korea, so high that Koreans are shopping overseas via the Internet, no longer satisfied with visiting the duty free shops a time or two per annum.
Go drop your little rabbit pellets elsewhere. |
atwood, this isn't an anti-American rant. And the Korean dudes I hang out with we all talk sports and take the piss out of each other. We're more concerned about girls or nailing a trifecta on EPL betting than Uncle Sam's list evils. No one cares. It's drinking and smoking and eating time.
This thread wasn't just about high prices, but the motivation behind them- namely greed.
You failed in this charge.
-Some stuff is cheaper in Korea than overseas, including non-Korean products. That has been proven.
-Other people from other countries buy stuff from the US too. How are they not greedy?
-Everyone thinks everyone else is greedy, but when it comes to their own industry and culture, that suddenly disappears. Are they really concerned about greed or is this prejudice?
-Apparently greed means to you that merchants are maximizing their money instead of maximizing your money. The merchant exists to put your wants and needs above his.
-You dismiss things such as America's greater population, access to trade, location, resources, market share, etc.
-You dismiss the fact that those Korean companies have factories in Mexico, something that surely should affect North American prices, significantly so.
-You claim that the Korean education system is driven by money, but that the American education system is driven by noble teachers, braving gun violence, who are deeply committed to the academic system and the principles of learning.
-You ignore the mountain of evidence that suggests that the American education system is deeply driven by money. Especially in the areas of athletics, textbooks schemes, and skyrocketing tuition.
-You repeatedly engage in name calling. Apparently your logical points aren't good enough. You have to resort to tossing out lame nicknames.
atwood, do the facts really support your claim of "greed"? Your claim isn't 'some goods in Korea are pricier than those in the U.S.' No one would deny that. The most obvious of course, is gasoline. However, you have not laid out a compelling case for merchant greed and seem to be willfully denying the fact that there may be other factors than merchant greed or that people other than Koreans are greedy.
It doesn't seem that you are interested in finding out why prices are higher or using data and research to draw a conclusion. Rather it seems your objective is to somehow cast Korean merchants and by extension, Koreans, as greedy people. For what reason? Probably so you can look down on them and feel better about yourself. It must be frustrating to believe that you are so much smarter and nobler than them, yet having to call one of them 'boss'. I'm sorry.
And one more thing, drop the damn "rabbit" crap. |
Funny stuff, blind rabbit. As always you want to shift the topic (blame), but I'm not going there, nosirree bob.
The thread was about high prices, pure and simple. Greed is obviously a factor. There's nothing to debate so save your race card for another day, Johnny Cochrane wannabe.
Deny, deny, Korean prices are still sky high. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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| The thread was about high prices, pure and simple. Greed is obviously a factor. |
Look at the thread title. It's about greed.
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| Deny, deny, Korean prices are still sky high. |
But is that because of greed? And is what they are doing greedy?
How can you ascertain whether or not its greedy? Is it greedy simply because something costs more in one part of the world than another?
Anyways, the fact that you can't even debate like an adult, and the fact that you've clearly had your ass handed to you on some of your claims and are resorting to your arguments makes it clear how full of it you are.
I think sanity waved bye bye when you started to claim that US teachers were dedicated to education more than Koreans because of the whole school shooting thing and refused to acknowledge the rampant influence of money in the US education system and most importantly, the effect of LG TVs in America being produced in Mexico vs. Lg TVs in Korea being made in Korea on prices.
And if you're going to continue with the rabbit nonsense like a little childish biatch then I will be forced to go to the "teacher" (mods) and have them calm you down until you can behave yourself. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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| The thread was about high prices, pure and simple. Greed is obviously a factor. |
Look at the thread title. It's about greed.
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| Deny, deny, Korean prices are still sky high. |
But is that because of greed? And is what they are doing greedy?
How can you ascertain whether or not its greedy? Is it greedy simply because something costs more in one part of the world than another?
Anyways, the fact that you can't even debate like an adult, and the fact that you've clearly had your ass handed to you on some of your claims and are resorting to your arguments makes it clear how full of it you are.
I think sanity waved bye bye when you started to claim that US teachers were dedicated to education more than Koreans because of the whole school shooting thing and refused to acknowledge the rampant influence of money in the US education system and most importantly, the effect of LG TVs in America being produced in Mexico vs. Lg TVs in Korea being made in Korea on prices.
And if you're going to continue with the rabbit nonsense like a little childish biatch then I will be forced to go to the "teacher" (mods) and have them calm you down until you can behave yourself. |
PLEASE DO go to the mods. Then we can get into your misquoting other posters, and exaggerating, twisting, and distorting what others post on Dave's. In other words, your LIES.
PLEASE, blind rabbit, I beg you--go to the mods.
Otherwise, back in your hutch. There's a nice California carrot in there for you. |
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Savant
Joined: 25 May 2007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:14 am Post subject: |
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Interesting website detailing the insides of a US based Korean shipping company.
Importing TVs is just a fad for the rich? All the TVs lined up in the photos say otherwise.
http://www.ohmyzip.com/help/news.php?thid=58802&page=1 |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
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| The thread was about high prices, pure and simple. Greed is obviously a factor. |
Look at the thread title. It's about greed.
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| Deny, deny, Korean prices are still sky high. |
But is that because of greed? And is what they are doing greedy?
How can you ascertain whether or not its greedy? Is it greedy simply because something costs more in one part of the world than another?
Anyways, the fact that you can't even debate like an adult, and the fact that you've clearly had your ass handed to you on some of your claims and are resorting to your arguments makes it clear how full of it you are.
I think sanity waved bye bye when you started to claim that US teachers were dedicated to education more than Koreans because of the whole school shooting thing and refused to acknowledge the rampant influence of money in the US education system and most importantly, the effect of LG TVs in America being produced in Mexico vs. Lg TVs in Korea being made in Korea on prices.
And if you're going to continue with the rabbit nonsense like a little childish biatch then I will be forced to go to the "teacher" (mods) and have them calm you down until you can behave yourself. |
PLEASE DO go to the mods. Then we can get into your misquoting other posters, and exaggerating, twisting, and distorting what others post on Dave's. In other words, your LIES.
PLEASE, blind rabbit, I beg you--go to the mods.
Otherwise, back in your hutch. There's a nice California carrot in there for you. |
Cite the offending sentence and show how its a lie. If it is a lie, I'll apologize. If its an error, I'll correct it. If it's you taking something that's been rephrased and trying to say its a lie, I'll ignore you. But I need citations.
But if you just spout generalities or try and try and turn rhetoric or analogies into attempts by me to lies, then forget it.
And be careful about your claims atwood, as that could very well be applied to you.
After all, you started with this thread and included the term "greed" into it. You have offered zero evidence to back up your claim. Your post might well be construed as a lie. You even willfully ignored the impact of an LG factory in Mexico producing goods for the North American market as having an impact on prices in NA vs. Korea! Now THAT is dishonesty. It's dishonesty at the core of the argument. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
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| The thread was about high prices, pure and simple. Greed is obviously a factor. |
Look at the thread title. It's about greed.
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| Deny, deny, Korean prices are still sky high. |
But is that because of greed? And is what they are doing greedy?
How can you ascertain whether or not its greedy? Is it greedy simply because something costs more in one part of the world than another?
Anyways, the fact that you can't even debate like an adult, and the fact that you've clearly had your ass handed to you on some of your claims and are resorting to your arguments makes it clear how full of it you are.
I think sanity waved bye bye when you started to claim that US teachers were dedicated to education more than Koreans because of the whole school shooting thing and refused to acknowledge the rampant influence of money in the US education system and most importantly, the effect of LG TVs in America being produced in Mexico vs. Lg TVs in Korea being made in Korea on prices.
And if you're going to continue with the rabbit nonsense like a little childish biatch then I will be forced to go to the "teacher" (mods) and have them calm you down until you can behave yourself. |
PLEASE DO go to the mods. Then we can get into your misquoting other posters, and exaggerating, twisting, and distorting what others post on Dave's. In other words, your LIES.
PLEASE, blind rabbit, I beg you--go to the mods.
Otherwise, back in your hutch. There's a nice California carrot in there for you. |
Cite the offending sentence and show how its a lie. If it is a lie, I'll apologize. If its an error, I'll correct it. If it's you taking something that's been rephrased and trying to say its a lie, I'll ignore you. But I need citations.
But if you just spout generalities or try and try and turn rhetoric or analogies into attempts by me to lies, then forget it.
And be careful about your claims atwood, as that could very well be applied to you.
After all, you started with this thread and included the term "greed" into it. You have offered zero evidence to back up your claim. Your post might well be construed as a lie. You even willfully ignored the impact of an LG factory in Mexico producing goods for the North American market as having an impact on prices in NA vs. Korea! Now THAT is dishonesty. It's dishonesty at the core of the argument. |
If the moderators want me to cite chapter and verse regarding your lies, I'll be glad to. Otherwise, blind rabbit, I've got better things to do.
No, my statements regarding your lying cannot be applied to me. No, my post cannot be "well construed" as a lie. Ignoring red herrings is not dishonesty. It's just good sense. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| LG TVs being manufactured in Mexico vs. TVs manufactured in Korea and that possibly affecting prices is a red herring? And you‘re saying I’M being dishonest? |
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DaeguNL
Joined: 08 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| And it just kills me that Samsung makes great dryers and dishwashers, but nobody in South Korea knows what either of those two things are. |
Dude, they know what those things are. They choose not to spend the money and space on them.
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And on top of that, a lot of these high-priced chaebol goods are flimsy crap that would never get sold in the US, like my cheesy Samsung washing machine.
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Ahh yes, the vigorous washing machine market.
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| Believe me, the people buying from the U.S. have those same credit cards. It was still cheaper. |
Dude, plenty of goods are out there cheaper in the US than here, but US CCs don't do the discount system back home like here. I'm not walking into Applebee's or Chipolte and getting 10% off just because I use a standard Discover card issued by whomever, simply because there is no comparison (for better and for worse) to Hyundai and Samsung in the U.S.
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| They seem to care little about getting the ridiculous prices lowered. Instead, they go elsewhere to shop. It may be cheaper for some but it doesn't address the long-term problems. |
Actually, using the market to dictate things rather than say, government price controls (which must be the alternative based on your suggestion) IS the long-term solution to this. I don't think the Korean government going into E-Mart or Samsung stores and dictating the price on A/C units or flatscreen TVs is a good long-term solution to the problem. I think the best long-term solution is Korean consumers going elsewhere to shop, which is what you say is happening.
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Bottom line is that it seems people here want high-quality, internationally competitive, state-of-the-art electronic merchandise, available to them at every store on every block, sold by both mom and pop appliance stores and big box chains, that pay a quality living wage+pension to all employees involved, while offering delivery, installation, convenience, English-speaking customer service on demand 24-7 all for a discount price, with people buying non-Korean brands to show "multiculturalism", while preserving employment here and enabling the populace to send their kids to hagwon where they pay the NETs 3.5 million won a month to work 25 hour work weeks with 2 months of vacation and free flights home every year, and for these companies to encourage market competition, and have minimal influence on national policy.
In a roundabout way, that's what people are saying if you chain disparate threads about the failings of Korean shopping together.
Good grief you make the people back home who act like McDonald's should be a 5 star dining experience seem reasonable.
Better deals are out there and changes can be made, but some are living in fantasy land.
Thank goodness back home I can go and buy an American made and owned electronics at Best Buy that follows these principles, oh wait....I'm down to one brand only... |
this made me LOL...I'd estimate that about 5% who work at a single hagwon make this kinda pay, and about 0% get those kind of vacation days. |
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byrddogs
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| Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:45 am Post subject: |
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| This thread should go to bed and take the deep sleep. It won't though as long as diatribes keep getting pounded out. |
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