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archaeologist5



Joined: 25 Dec 2013

PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

teaster wrote:
I knew having a dog would make finding a job a little more difficult even before I decided to pursue going to Korea. If i don't find a position within the next few months that will work I will continue looking. Getting rid of him isn't an option for me so, I know that I'll probably have to lessen my standards on some things to make this possible.

With that being said, since I posted this I was offered a job in Daegu that does not have excessive hours and seems like a pretty good position. Supposedly it is okay with my employer that I have my dog. I KNOW I should get this is writing and I don't think my contract is an appropriate place for it to be stated (or is it?). So advice on that would be cool.


Looks like I am going to have to reveal some personal information on this thread. IN ALL the years I have been here I have had a dog AND the DOG was NOT an issue. First, off it is NOT the recruiter's business what you own.

Dogs are NOT an impediment to employment and recruiters do not care. I have yet to meet any employer that cared if you had a dog or not, as long as the dog does NOT interfere with you carrying out your duties.

If the recruiter sets up an interview with you, you tell your EMPLOYER that you are bringing your dog and they will take care of things with the landlord--usually. Never had a problem with a landlord yet.

The recruiter works for himself and he does not care if you have a dog or not. Not his problem.

Skippy is dead wrong in this issue. If an employer uses a dog as an excuse then they aren't worth working for and I have not heard of anyone yet being fired because they had a dog.
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augustine



Joined: 08 Sep 2012
Location: México

PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mmm, logical fallacies.

Quote #1

archaeologist5 wrote:
Looks like I am going to have to reveal some personal information on this thread. IN ALL the years I have been here I have had a dog AND the DOG was NOT an issue.


Quote#2 from the "A well known guy who used to work in Korea got caught twiddling a young boy in Cambodia" thread.

Same guy wrote: "I have never heard of him so he isn't well known."

It's the, my experiences exceed all others, delusion. Now, koreans' poor attitudes towards dogs are well documented, of course it could be a big problem. And of course the phenom penh boy fiddler could have been well known outside of his knowledge, and someone here said they knew him.

Simply put, words of a fool.
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archaeologist5



Joined: 25 Dec 2013

PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

augustine wrote:
Mmm, logical fallacies.

Quote #1

archaeologist5 wrote:
Looks like I am going to have to reveal some personal information on this thread. IN ALL the years I have been here I have had a dog AND the DOG was NOT an issue.


Quote#2 from the "A well known guy who used to work in Korea got caught twiddling a young boy in Cambodia" thread.

Same guy wrote: "I have never heard of him so he isn't well known."

It's the, my experiences exceed all others, delusion. Now, koreans' poor attitudes towards dogs are well documented, of course it could be a big problem. And of course the phenom penh boy fiddler could have been well known outside of his knowledge, and someone here said they knew him.

Simply put, words of a fool.


Unfortunately for you, I am not basing my opinion solely upon my experience.
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NYC_Gal 2.0



Joined: 10 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A dog can cause issues with employment hunting. Your best bet is to rent your own place, checking with the landlord first if pets are allowed. You might have to have your dog sent over later. Another option is to pay to have your dog stay at a pet hotel while you get everything sorted.

Yes, it's possible that there will be no issues, but there are often posts on Facebook with people trying to rehome animals because their bosses and/or landlords won't allow pets in their apartments.
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watergirl



Joined: 01 Jul 2008
Location: Ansan, south korea

PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey..So I had to take my cat at the last minute and I was so worried but it was fine. Actually, pet ownership is fairly new here in Korea so apt landlords are not as mean as back home as per pets. Also, the boss hopefully shouldn't care as well. I would have just told them last minute, just to be on the safe side. Believe me, they will not want to turn around and hire a new person over this little issue once you are in the country!!

Now, reciters will try and dissuade you from anything and most likely just care about their haw won owned so unless they;re cool, I wouldn't tell them at all.
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watergirl



Joined: 01 Jul 2008
Location: Ansan, south korea

PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel that you can be given misinformation on the message board. There are some people that are especially negative (you've probably already deduced this).
Although Koreans are new to pets, they are actually not as restrictive about them, which is weird, but true.
You will be much happier if you have your dog with you than if you abandon him/her just for a job. Actually, they really are not as picky about pets in the apt as back home. Maybe as most dogs here are the same size as cats, I don't know.
If you really want to, try telling people first. Don't tell the recruiter. Apply for jobs. Then, if you find a job you like, don't mention it in the first interview/discussion with them. Mention, you might have to take your dog is that ok?
If you find they don't like it. Switch recruiters and apply for different jobs. I really don't think it's a problem.
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watergirl



Joined: 01 Jul 2008
Location: Ansan, south korea

PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PS:
I was vey worried about bringing my cat in case I needed to make a quick getaway. I don't know why I thought I might need one, but the message boards are really more negative with horror stories than I've personally seen in my experience. You will have options, even if you do need to change jobs for whatever reason suddenly.
One person mentioned, in Korea, they have pet hotels which are much cheaper than back home (and roomy too, not like a cage). And, there are TONS of foreigners who you will meet, and I'm sure will be able to get a friend to take your dog in for a little while if you need to resettle into a new apt.
I had to do this by the way..I left my job suddenly and a friend took my cat in. Many foreigners live here alone as their apt is provided by their job and don't mind a pet for a short time. There are also Facebook groups of 'foster' or pet sitters.
Alos, there are also TONS of vets, everywhere which are much cheaper than back home, and where u can buy dogfood. I was worried about this before I cam as well. Korea has many more 'mom and pop' shops than back home and so your neighbourhood should likely have a vet.
Do not listen to some negative people who seem to think you need to have a perfect resume for a job (not true for females by the way, much easier to get a job)
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Ginormousaurus



Joined: 27 Jul 2006
Location: 700 Ft. Pulpit

PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

watergirl wrote:
Do not listen to some negative people who seem to think you need to have a perfect resume for a job (not true for females by the way, much easier to get a job)


Do people on this board actually say you need a perfect resume? I've never seen it, except maybe in regards to uni jobs. If anything, people say the opposite. Most jobs are entry level where any old BA will do. People do, however, often comment that the job hunt is easier for females.
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faeriehazel



Joined: 04 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can trying joining the Animal Rescue Korea Facebook page if you need advice on pet-related issues in Korea. I've read a few stories on there about landlords threatening to kick people out over dogs. It really depends on your housing and your landlord (and on your neighbors).

We have a cat and had a battle with our landlord over cleaning fees (he wanted us to pay 100 bucks more when we move out for "cleaning fees" because the "cat is messy").
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denverdeath



Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn

PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope you are able to make the best decision for yourself and your pet. The flight itself will be hell for him/her, but s/he will get over it (esp as it seems like you are a caring pet owner).

Not sure what the standards are now, but I heard there are some rules that need to be followed...

http://www.korea4expats.com/article-bringing-pets-to-south-korea.html

...again, not sure if that junk is up-to-date or accurate, so browse with discretion.

Noise COULD be an issue/nightmare for both you and neighbours (and, hence, your boss, landlord, and whomever else), so I kind of hope your dog is a bit quiet and can handle somewhat extended times alone.

faeriehazel's comment was likely a money-grab by the landlord=probably with no basis in law; but, who knows? Although I've had pets here, I have to admit that I've never looked the real rules and regs. Best of luck/skill.
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You will have options, even if you do need to change jobs for whatever reason suddenly



This is borderline irresponsible advice to be giving to someone who has yet to set foot in Korea and likely knows very little about visa rules and the regulations governing changing jobs.


Changing jobs in Korea can be quite stressful for certain people and doing so while getting kicked out of your apt with your dog can be worse. All most of us are saying here is this: Be open about bringing your dog in order to avoid potential problems.
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Died By Bear



Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee

PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A smarter option is to wait until you have 6-10 months salary saved, know you're in a secure location, and send for the dog when you have a nice fat cushion in case of any sudden, bad, situations that arise for a fair number of expats (or used to).

If there's any way possible for you to do that, it would probably be better for the dog. I mean that sincerely, in a good way. Posters have mentioned possible pitfalls in this thread because they've seen it happen a few times, or known of others that ran into the same situation. If you take their advice, the dog will no doubt be in a better place a year or two from now. I think what people fear the most is that since this is pretty much an anon message board with absolutely shit nothing for a face-to-face, it's difficult for them to perceive what others would or would not be capable of.

I hope you understand what I'm trying to say here. You meet someone in a bar, your first impression of them is that they are extremely capable, intelligent and able to work through pitfalls and problems. The guy says: Can I bring my dog to Korea? - you would reply yeah sure, but here are some dangers you can run into: a, b, c.

You meet another guy that is immature, stupid and lazy. He asks you if he can bring his dog. What would you tell him? That's the thing about the internet. We don't know which guy you are because we haven't had a chance to talk to you for a few minutes to determine your potential.

There are tons of people in Korea with dogs. Some people are luckier than others, most people are able to keep their dogs.

OTOH, There are always dogs being passed around and abandoned to the dog-eaters too.

Good luck with your decision.
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