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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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 Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:43 pm Post subject: Who is taking these type of jobs? |
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So many crappy jobs being posted. Who would do this? Some offer visa sponsorship but most don't. 15,000 an hour? This job below is just an example, but there are many like it.
Speaking Teacher Wanted (Seoul, Gangseogu)
Our academy is currently looking for an english-speaking teacher
who will teach our elementary and middle school students.
This position does not require any planning since all classes have
a set curriculum along with a planned syllabus.
No fluency in Korean is necessary.
The working hours for this position is from 3PM~8PM (Mon~Fri)
If you're interested in this position, please email a copy of your resume
and a recent photo of yourself. Thank you in advance.
Location: Seoul, Gangseogu
Compensation: 1,500,000 Won/Monthly
http://seoul.craigslist.co.kr/edu/4297446770.html |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| The English teaching market in Korea for Westerners is on the decline. It's sad. |
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GENO123
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Teaching English in Korea is broken. |
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nicwr2002
Joined: 17 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| It might be for F-visa holders. It's only 5 hours a day. I would have tons of time to do privates with that job. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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So you would take the job?  
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| I know it's an employers market these days, but this whole groveling "I'll take whatever you can spare" attitude drives salaries even lower than they need to be. Have a little pride, people! Attitudes like the ones described above hurt other employees too as that becomes the new standard. Just because YOU are happy to get whatever experimental new lowball figure they offer, doesn't mean everyone else is. |
PS- Privates aren't falling out the sky these days. They are not easy to get. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| It all depends on the number of lessons. If that job comprises 5 separate lessons a day of 50-60 minutes each it's not really part time. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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Not long ago, that would be considered full time.
The new norm: it's "part time". |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| You'd have to provide a few more examples than that to say it's 'the norm.' |
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nicwr2002
Joined: 17 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
So you would take the job?
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| I know it's an employers market these days, but this whole groveling "I'll take whatever you can spare" attitude drives salaries even lower than they need to be. Have a little pride, people! Attitudes like the ones described above hurt other employees too as that becomes the new standard. Just because YOU are happy to get whatever experimental new lowball figure they offer, doesn't mean everyone else is. |
PS- Privates aren't falling out the sky these days. They are not easy to get. |
Maybe not in Seoul, but down south it's a lot easier. Especially if your wife is also a teacher. It is only 5 hours of work, even in America that would be part time. Most middle school privates you need to teach in the evening anyways. If you want high school, it's even later. |
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World Traveler
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| Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| nicwr2002 wrote: |
| It is only 5 hours of work, even in America that would be part time. |
No it wouldn't. Teachers in America get prep planning periods. and a lunch break. They get paid a hell of a lot more too.
I knew a teacher in an alternative high school. (Because it was alternative, he was paid more.) On "A" days he had two 90 minute classes. On "B" days, three. (Meaning he worked for an average of three hours and fourty five minutes per day.) He made great money and had more days not working than working. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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No it wouldn't. Teachers in America get prep planning periods. and a lunch break. They get paid a hell of a lot more too.
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Teachers in the UK typically work a 12 hour day during term time, with around the same number of contact hours as that hagwan. However, that advert specifically said no prep was required. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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How many days paid vacation do UK teachers get? Half of the year? What is the mid career salary? What is the benefits package like?
It's not really fair to compare the two, but keep arguing with me if you want to drive down wages just to make yourself feel good.
A question to everyone: which is more important to you: not having your feelings hurt on a message board, or the actual amount of money you can earn?
(The problem is when people justify and accept deteriorating conditions by saying, "oh well, teachers in my home country work just as hard, if not harder (for part of the year at least)". Yes, but they are making way, way way, way more per hour, with a much better benefits package and way more vacation.)
So put your foot down and say, "This is BS!" (unless you want to earn less and less money as time goes by. Your choice.) |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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How many days paid vacation do UK teachers get? Half of the year? What is the mid career salary? What is the benefits package like?
It's not really fair to compare the two, but keep arguing with me if you want to drive down wages just to make yourself feel good.
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Um, excuse me, I was arguing about whether that hagwan job was part time or not, not whether it was better or worse than a state school teaching job in the UK. And why on earth would I want to 'drive down wages and then 'feel good about it'? You sound like you're losing it a bit at times WT
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| And why on earth would I want to 'drive down wages and then 'feel good about it'? |
No, not feel good about driving down wages, but rather proclaim to yourself and others 15,000 won an hour and/or other EFL teaching in Korea is still a great deal regardless of what happens and way above teaching anywhere else in the world (which is not true). I think some people on here react defensively/have their egos bruised and as a result lash out at others with ad hominem insults/personal attacks. Not you necessarily, I'm just speaking on human nature in general. (The irony is that such actions- being a rabid apologist- end up making their life worse by decreasing the amount of money/vacations/job opportunities they can get.) |
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World Traveler
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| Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| Um, excuse me, I was arguing about whether that hagwan job was part time or not |
I guess teaching in America is a part time job then. Hell, they only work 180 days per year. |
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