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DaeguNL
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What are you talking about. This job is from 3~8. That is 5 hours with no prep time. You don't need to go in early. It's not like you are coming in at 130 amd leaving at 9. If that was the case, then no way would I take the job. This is a part time job so 1.5 mil. I say is pretty good and leaves room for someone to do extra things i their own time. A teacher in an American school definitl
ely works longer than 3~8pm. |
1.5 for 5 hours a day is terrible any way you slice it. You can get an after-school position that is 1-5ish for 2.8 to 3.1ish (including housing allowance) -- prep time is negotiable. |
I missed this post and pretty much said the exact same thing. 1.5 with no benefits is pretty terrible, they are gonna have to get a student/non native speaker to fill it.
Lots of jobs around with hours like 1-6, if an afterschool program requires you to go in earlier than 1 (Ex 11-6) they likely have no curriculum and need you to prepare every lesson |
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nicwr2002
Joined: 17 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
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| It might be for F-visa holders. It's only 5 hours a day. I would have tons of time to do privates with that job. |
As the job is 3pm to 8pm you're busy the most useful hours for private lessons.
[Better to have a full time job during the day time (public school or university) then do privates at night.] |
I have to disagree there. The best time to do privates is late evening and on weekends. Students are going to their hagwons in that 3~8pm time. |
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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| DaeguNL wrote: |
| 1.5 with no benefits is pretty terrible, they are gonna have to get a student/non native speaker to fill it. |
The market is flooded, they will likely get whoever they want.
Plenty of F-visa holders will jump at this. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:05 am Post subject: |
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| That's what pisses me off. Why don't the F visa holders say "NO!" to this? The wife is forcing them to pick up more work? Why don't they just be patient hold out until the low paying jobs are reposted, but this time with a higher salary? |
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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:33 am Post subject: |
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| Why don't they just be patient hold out until the low paying jobs are reposted, but this time with a higher salary? |
If you pass up a job, you're simply handing it someone else. There are hundr4eds of waegs in seoul hunting for work.
Times are hard. Desperate times call for desperate measures.
1.5 is a dream if you've got nothing else.
Youth unemployment is mushrooming worldwide. We're lucky to have jobs at all.
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:45 am Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
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| It is only 5 hours of work, even in America that would be part time. |
No it wouldn't. Teachers in America get prep planning periods. and a lunch break. They get paid a hell of a lot more too.
I knew a teacher in an alternative high school. (Because it was alternative, he was paid more.) On "A" days he had two 90 minute classes. On "B" days, three. (Meaning he worked for an average of three hours and fourty five minutes per day.) He made great money and had more days not working than working. |
Really?
Good for them.
I was a full time Teacher in Canada and prep time was not paid per se nor was time set aside for it. Grading was certainly not paid and was mostly done after hours at home.
Extra hours were not paid either for things like Parent-Teacher meetings after school hours.
So we did get paid well but we had a heck of a lot more responsibilities and duties than an average teacher in Korea.
In fact, the comparison does not even hold water. If you insist on comparing full time certified teachers in the US or Canada with teachers in Korea, the only true comparable would be either full time Korean teachers OR International School teachers.
You wish to compare hakwon teachers, then use a true comparable: teachers that work in ESL in the US and Canada at private language schools.... |
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DaeguNL
Joined: 08 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:26 am Post subject: |
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| Chaparrastique wrote: |
| DaeguNL wrote: |
| 1.5 with no benefits is pretty terrible, they are gonna have to get a student/non native speaker to fill it. |
The market is flooded, they will likely get whoever they want.
Plenty of F-visa holders will jump at this. |
I'm gonna disagree. I have an F-6 Visa and would never even consider applying for this kind of job. Unless that f-6 visa holder is attending a morning korean program or has a morning kindy job, they wouldnt even consider this. Even a standard hagwon for 35 hours/week for 2.2+ housing allowance, pension, severance etc works out to 20,000+ an hour |
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Ginormousaurus
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
Location: 700 Ft. Pulpit
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| Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:27 am Post subject: |
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| nicwr2002 wrote: |
| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
| nicwr2002 wrote: |
| It might be for F-visa holders. It's only 5 hours a day. I would have tons of time to do privates with that job. |
As the job is 3pm to 8pm you're busy the most useful hours for private lessons.
[Better to have a full time job during the day time (public school or university) then do privates at night.] |
I have to disagree there. The best time to do privates is late evening and on weekends. Students are going to their hagwons in that 3~8pm time. |
I taught privates for the majority of my time in Korea and for me 3-8 was prime time. Yes, kids go to hagwons during those hours, but many also have their private lessons then too. It was rare that I had a class outside of those hours. That was just my experience. |
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DaeguNL
Joined: 08 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| That's what pisses me off. Why don't the F visa holders say "NO!" to this? The wife is forcing them to pick up more work? Why don't they just be patient hold out until the low paying jobs are reposted, but this time with a higher salary? |
Dont worry, they are saying NO. I personally don't know anyone on an F-Visa that will work for under 30,000 an hour..this position will be filled by
A) an illegal on a tourist visa
B) a student
C) a non native speaker |
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Deja
Joined: 18 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:57 am Post subject: |
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30.000x180= 5,400,000
So.... ESL teachers are making 5.400.000 a month? |
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Ginormousaurus
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
Location: 700 Ft. Pulpit
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| Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Deja wrote: |
30.000x180= 5,400,000
So.... ESL teachers are making 5.400.000 a month? |
Some might. Most are not. Keep in mind that DaeguNL mentioned F series visa holders which means they are probably not your standard hagwon employees.
Where are you getting the 180 hr/month from though? It's been a long time since I've looked at a contract. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Chaparrastique wrote: |
| Youth unemployment is mushrooming worldwide. We're lucky to have jobs at all. |
Is that true though? In the U.S., the unemployment rate for college graduates is gradually improving, and has been for quite some time.
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| College educated Americans have a much lower unemployment rate than the rest of Americans. |
http://www.atyourlibrary.org/career/college-graduates-have-much-lower-unemployment-rate-rest-country
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| 2 million jobs for college-educated workers have been added during the recovery. At the same time, nearly four out of every five jobs destroyed by the recession were held by workers with a high school diploma or less. |
The U.S. economy is recovering. (Also, having a degree has always been, and always will be, advantageous.)
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Sales of existing homes in 2013 were the highest since 2006, the National Association of Realtors announced Thursday.
Lawrence Yun, chief economist for the National Association of Realtors, said the housing market has made a strong recovery during the past two years.
“Existing-home sales have risen nearly 20 percent since 2011 with job growth, record-low mortgage interest rates and a large pent-up demand driving the market,” he said in a release Thursday.
Sales in 2013 jumped 9.1 percent from 2012. |
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