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Numpty
Joined: 19 Dec 2013
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| Stain wrote: |
Ohhh Justice will be served
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It's the American way
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Bollocks. |
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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:27 am Post subject: |
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| Numpty wrote: |
| Stain wrote: |
Ohhh Justice will be served
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It's the American way
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Bollocks. |
Yeah, I like Never Mind the Bollocks too. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 8:26 am Post subject: |
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| Stain wrote: |
Yes, but I think Toby Keith's take is a bit more eloquent.
Ohhh Justice will be served
And the battle will rage
This big dog will fight
When you rattle his cage
And you'll be sorry that you messed with
The U.S. of A.
'Cause we'll put a boot in your ass
It's the American way
I'm tearing up right now just reading it. |
We view ourselves as John Wayne. Half the world views us as Yosemite Sam. Maybe the closest truth is Blazing Saddles. |
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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 8:31 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Stain wrote: |
Yes, but I think Toby Keith's take is a bit more eloquent.
Ohhh Justice will be served
And the battle will rage
This big dog will fight
When you rattle his cage
And you'll be sorry that you messed with
The U.S. of A.
'Cause we'll put a boot in your ass
It's the American way
I'm tearing up right now just reading it. |
We view ourselves as John Wayne. Half the world views us as Yosemite Sam. Maybe the closest truth is Blazing Saddles. |
Yes, or Cannibal the Musical. |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Watching the Super Bowl now. The pro military propoganda during the broadcast is in full force- it seems to increase every year. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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joelove
Joined: 12 May 2011
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| Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Stain wrote: |
Yes, but I think Toby Keith's take is a bit more eloquent.
Ohhh Justice will be served
And the battle will rage
This big dog will fight
When you rattle his cage
And you'll be sorry that you messed with
The U.S. of A.
'Cause we'll put a boot in your ass
It's the American way
I'm tearing up right now just reading it. |
Old Shakespeare himself is no doubt envious at the beauty of those words. |
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joelove
Joined: 12 May 2011
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| Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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This made me sad.
Still love Dylan, but he's no Toby Keith. |
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joelove
Joined: 12 May 2011
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| Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:55 pm Post subject: Re: Do Americans praise their military way too much? |
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| I'm With You wrote: |
Joe,
How do Canadians feel about their military?
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I have no idea. It is not something that is highlighted in Canada. I have a few old friends who did their years, but whatever. I suppose the Canadian military is not that significant, though it has played its role. I dunno why I made my original post. Oh yeah, I was drunk. But really, America, soldier = hero? You gotta do better than that.
Note: I am not pro or against anything really. It was just a bit of curiosity brought on by a bunch of beer. I've met nice guys and jerks in the US military, almost like they're people. Ha. I respect the work they do, sort of, but if you call a 23 year old a hero, when the poor guy just needed a job, that is wrong. |
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joelove
Joined: 12 May 2011
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| Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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Canada pretends to be an autonomous nation, but it is not.
Canada is really just an extension of the United States. The foreign policies and even the culture are indistinguishable.
My Canadian colleague, not long ago in fact, laughed and said, "We have more in common with you guys in L.A. than we do with those French racist separatist pricks in Montreal!"
The fact is, most of Canada and Canadians are Americanized. They eat, watch, listen, wear and drive American culture. They are American.
It's unavoidable.
Get it over with already. |
I won't argue with this because who cares. Nationalism is nonsense. Saying that doesn't make it disappear, the same as a few words doesn't alter a deeply conditioned belief.
Canada and the US are similar for sure. But just as there are different cultures within each country, there are differences between the two countries.
Ultimately it does not matter, does it? |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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andrewchon
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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That's was no pro-America ad. That was pro-Detroit-auto-industry-Obama-Islamo-Socialism ad. A pro-America ad would've said something like: we're sending Omaba-Islamo-Socialism where it belongs and away from the land of the free: to China!  |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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Yes the U.S. is so unpopular that know one wants to move there. The myth of U.S unpopularity is just something the Canadians want to believe, because of their own inferiority complex.
The respect for people in the military is because these young people are often putting their lives on the line, being respectful of the brave is not a fault.
Traveled a lot and always get good treatment being a U.S citizen is a huge advantage in the world. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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The estimate for 500,000 thousand U.S casulaties if Japan invaded was from a study done by the military. Some U.S. generals thought the 500,000 figure was too low an estimate.
Yes 500000 civilians were dying each month the war dragged on. There was also fear that Japanese forces might committ something like the RApe of Nanjing or the massacres in Manila on another Chinese city perhaps Shanghai.
perhaps reading some history about the period might help you Leon!
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Anyway the Bomb ended the war saved lives. A Good thing. The U.s. did this not Canada!! Canada did many wonderful things during the war like refusing jewish refugees fleeing the Nazi death camps entry into Canada. The motto in Canada was "One is too many" |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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| rollo wrote: |
The estimate for 500,000 thousand U.S casulaties if Japan invaded was from a study done by the military. Some U.S. generals thought the 500,000 figure was too low an estimate.
Yes 500000 civilians were dying each month the war dragged on. There was also fear that Japanese forces might committ something like the RApe of Nanjing or the massacres in Manila on another Chinese city perhaps Shanghai.
perhaps reading some history about the period might help you Leon!
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Anyway the Bomb ended the war saved lives. A Good thing. The U.s. did this not Canada!! Canada did many wonderful things during the war like refusing jewish refugees fleeing the Nazi death camps entry into Canada. The motto in Canada was "One is too many" |
"Recent scholarly work by James G. Hershberg and Barton J. Bernstein has shown how former government officials consciously and artfully constructed the history of the decision. James B. Co-nant, anxious to head off criticism, convinced former Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson to publish an article explaining and justifying the use of the bomb. In his widely publicized article, which appeared in Harper's in early 1947, Stimson suggested that the atomic attacks had avoided more than one million American casualties. Truman later drew on Stimson's estimate to support his claim that the bomb had saved as many as half a million American lives. Those figures formed the basis for popular views of Truman's action and decisively influenced collective memory of the reasons for his decision.4
Scholars now know better. One key finding of the past few years is that U.S. casualty estimates did not begin to approach one million and the projected American deaths from an invasion, in the unlikely event that an invasion was necessary, were much lower than one half million. Estimated deaths from an invasion were, in a worst case, about forty-six thousand. As military historian John Ray Skates has recently concluded: "The record does not support the postwar claims of huge Allied casualties to be suffered in the invasion of Japan." The evidence of the casualty figures that military planners presented to top policymakers in the summer of 1945 has added a new dimension to the historiographical controversy over the use of the bomb. The debate, ignited by the publication of Gar Alperovitz's Atomic Diplomacy in 1965 and carried on at varying levels of intensity ever since, has centered on the question of whether Truman was motivated primarily by military or political/diplomatic considerations in deciding to drop the bomb. It has produced a deluge of new information and a rich variety of intriguing arguments. While scholars continue to disagree on many points, a broad consensus emerged.5
According to the scholarly consensus, the United States did not drop the bomb to save hundreds of thousands of American lives. Although scholars generally agree that Truman used the bomb primarily to shorten the war, the number of American lives saved, even in the worst case, would have been in the range of tens of thousands rather than hundreds of thousands. "
http://www.oocities.org/rf_mikael/abomb1.html
I suspect from your writing style, and substance, that you don't know what you are talking about. Perhaps you have some link to the actual, credible, military report making these claims? |
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