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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| And saying "blackface" is an American issue tied to white guilt is a diversion. Koreans dress up in black face for guaranteed laughs. Guaranteed! They are mocking Africans. |
And put on a big nose and a blonde wig for guaranteed laughs mocking White people. So what? And put a squinty-eyed Chinese guy with a thick accent on South Park for some chuckles from American Blacks and Whites. So what? A world unable to shrug off such petty, silly behavior is a world full of children. Maybe you're really content to spend the rest of your life being lectured on topics like this, but I for one am not.
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| When you then consider how astonishingly thin-skinned Koreans can be to any criticism of Korea or Koreans they really need to up their game. |
They do need to up their game, but by learning to shrug off nonsense, not by learning to hyperventilate and feign offense like people of European descent have been trained to do. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| When you then consider how astonishingly thin-skinned Koreans can be to any criticism of Korea or Koreans they really need to up their game. |
Koreans may seem thin skinned when you criticize them in a foreign language. But if you do it in Korean, and they really understand your reasoning that's when they are willing to listen. Otherwise it's into defensive mode they go. Unfortunately extremely few foreigners possess enough Korean language skills to actually debate in Korean. |
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London
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| Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Black people from all over the world are indeed tackling the issue of continued use of blackface by Korean entertainers. |
So KPOP really is this massive global phenomenon that everyone is into like the Korean media says? Are black people from all over the world connoisseurs of 'World Cuisine BiBimBap'? Are black people from all over the world convinced that Dokdo is Korean? Are black people from all over the world aware of sporting legends Kim Yuna, Park Ji Sung, and Park Tae Hwan?
Typical basher stuff. The Korean Times is a tabloid, unless one of their articles says something negative about Korea, then they are on par with the New York Times. Koreans are full of crap when they say KPop is a huge worldwide phenomenon, unless of course it means that everyone around the world is aware of KPop performer racism. |
There are many thousands of people in countries that love Korean music, film and tv. A good portion of those find the use of blackface wrong and offensive.
When you cook up your next response why dont you try and tell us all why a Korean performer putting on blackface, munching down on a watermelon and acting like fool is anything other than racist. |
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RangerMcGreggor
Joined: 12 Jan 2011
Location: Somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
And put on a big nose and a blonde wig for guaranteed laughs mocking White people. So what? And put a squinty-eyed Chinese guy with a thick accent on South Park for some chuckles from American Blacks and Whites. So what? A world unable to shrug off such petty, silly behavior is a world full of children. |
If I went around and called your wife a certain word for loose women or your children were a bunch of bastards, would you just shrug it off? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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| RangerMcGreggor wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
And put on a big nose and a blonde wig for guaranteed laughs mocking White people. So what? And put a squinty-eyed Chinese guy with a thick accent on South Park for some chuckles from American Blacks and Whites. So what? A world unable to shrug off such petty, silly behavior is a world full of children. |
If I went around and called your wife a certain word for loose women or your children were a bunch of bastards, would you just shrug it off? |
Write it here on the forum right now and watch me shrug it off. And if I can shrug off your petty personal insults, how much the easier should it be to shrug off some joker wearing make up making generalized jokes? I'm ethnically Jewish, but I don't break into hysterics when I hear jokes about Jews. Am I some sort of psychological superman? Of course not, I just grew up. |
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guavashake
Joined: 09 Nov 2013
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London
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| Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Smithington wrote: |
| And saying "blackface" is an American issue tied to white guilt is a diversion. Koreans dress up in black face for guaranteed laughs. Guaranteed! They are mocking Africans. |
And put on a big nose and a blonde wig for guaranteed laughs mocking White people. So what? And put a squinty-eyed Chinese guy with a thick accent on South Park for some chuckles from American Blacks and Whites. So what? A world unable to shrug off such petty, silly behavior is a world full of children. Maybe you're really content to spend the rest of your life being lectured on topics like this, but I for one am not.
| Smithington wrote: |
| When you then consider how astonishingly thin-skinned Koreans can be to any criticism of Korea or Koreans they really need to up their game. |
They do need to up their game, but by learning to shrug off nonsense, not by learning to hyperventilate and feign offense like people of European descent have been trained
to do. |
It is childish to say things withouth any regard for how our actions or words affect other people. The racists are the ones with a distinct lack of maturity.
If we live in a world where we reject derogatory racial stereotyping we will indeed lose the cultural gems of gag concert blackface and south park's chinese character. Although these losses would be greivous, I think we'll be ok. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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It is childish to say things withouth any regard for how our actions or words affect other people. |
I agree.
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The racists are the ones with a distinct lack of maturity. |
Which is why it's such a shame you chose to not only lower yourself to their level, but demand society itself come down to their level.
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If we live in a world where we reject derogatory racial stereotyping we will indeed lose the cultural gems of gag concert blackface and south park's chinese character. Although these losses would be greivous, I think we'll be ok. |
The logical conclusion of your ideals can be seen in the video guavashake just posted and its accompanying comments. Two young ladies posted something foolish and immature on Youtube, and in return, were treated to not just immense hatred personally directed at them, but even death threats, all of which will no doubt directly and strongly influence their lives in a negative fashion. The consequences are not proportionate to the act, but I suppose that doesn't matter, right? Actual individual people don't matter to the "tolerant" proponent of "diversity," only ideology. Eggs and omelettes.
I for one think it would be much more compassionate to simply ignore such foolishness. If you want to crusade for a resolution to racial disparities in criminal justice outcomes, I'm on your side. When your crusade is against a make-up driven joke that mildly irritates people who willingly choose to watch it? You're not talking about justice any longer, you're talking about absurdity. But evidently there's no case too small for the Captain False Offense and his Two Minutes of Hate. |
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guavashake
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London
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| Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:46 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| aq8knyus wrote: |
It is childish to say things withouth any regard for how our actions or words affect other people. |
I agree.
| aq8knyus wrote: |
The racists are the ones with a distinct lack of maturity. |
Which is why it's such a shame you chose to not only lower yourself to their level, but demand society itself come down to their level.
| aq8knyus wrote: |
If we live in a world where we reject derogatory racial stereotyping we will indeed lose the cultural gems of gag concert blackface and south park's chinese character. Although these losses would be greivous, I think we'll be ok. |
The logical conclusion of your ideals can be seen in the video guavashake just posted and its accompanying comments. Two young ladies posted something foolish and immature on Youtube, and in return, were treated to not just immense hatred personally directed at them, but even death threats, all of which will no doubt directly and strongly influence their lives in a negative fashion. The consequences are not proportionate to the act, but I suppose that doesn't matter, right? Actual individual people don't matter to the "tolerant" proponent of "diversity," only ideology. Eggs and omelettes.
I for one think it would be much more compassionate to simply ignore such foolishness. If you want to crusade for a resolution to racial disparities in criminal justice outcomes, I'm on your side. When your crusade is against a make-up driven joke that mildly irritates people who willingly choose to watch it? You're not talking about justice any longer, you're talking about absurdity. But evidently there's no case too small for the Captain False Offense and his Two Minutes of Hate. |
Just so we are clear im against death threats as well.
Blackface is never acceptable especially when used in the derogatory way korean perfomers have done it.
Its fine that you think dehumanizing and ridiculing people based on their race is ok and not something to be concerned about. No one is going to stop you from having those opinions. But if you voice them publicly you are going to have put up with the backlash. |
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guavashake
Joined: 09 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:35 am Post subject: |
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..... and the award for best blackface performance goes to .....
http://obamadeception.net/ |
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coralreefer_1
Joined: 19 Jan 2009
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I think many are missing the point. Whether or not any given person thinks or doesn't think such things are acceptable or not, it is an issue that was brought up just last year, and other times as well.
The fact KBS thought it was ok to go ahead and air something that other broadcasters (MBC did the same thing on..guess what...their Lunar New Year special) and "talent" (lol) have done and ended up apologizing for in the past says more about the issue than the content itself. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:29 am Post subject: |
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If someone wants to be against blackface, fine. They probably have good cause for doing so. All that is asked is that this is truly about being against blackface, not about "See! See! Look at Koreans being bad!". Given the lack of threads on yellowface or blackface back home, I'm forced to conclude that this is more about having an axe to grind with Korea than any genuine disgust towards blackface.
If you're one of those people who laughed at the Asian pilot names for Asiana or doesn't care about Two and a Half Men doing yellowface and have a "just laugh at each other" mentality, then fine. That's consistent. But don't tell Asian Americans to "take a joke" when it comes to mocking Asian accents, names, and doing yellowface and then get apoplectic over Koreans doing blackface. And the greater your anger at Koreans, the more you should be angry at yellowface. Be consistent is all. Or just say "I think its okay to make fun of chinky-dinky Asians but its not okay for them to make fun of us/blacks" at least that has the virtue of honesty.
Frankly I think the whole spectacle is pretty sad. 5 years ago there might have been excuses for this, but after all the bruhaha there really shouldn't be any cause for this. Even if Koreans don't "get it" and I don't necessarily believe that they should, from a sheer competency in programming and having people look over these things angle there is no reason that this should take place. |
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AsiaESLbound
Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri
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| Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:46 am Post subject: |
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| Dark skinned people and foreigners are often perceived as dirty and so phobias run rampant. For a sense of humor, they might mock the dirty one in a sitcom. The thing is Korean people are also dirty and stinky since they are humans and it shows in their grimy polluted streets and then all the OCD teeth brushing and odd behaviors attempting to make up for percieved shortcomings. Their high stress level over such inferiority complexs makes it all seem far worse than it actually is. Since they are still so far behind culturally or broken in that department, I'm thinking maybe they just need to close the country to foriengers and immitate English education and US military defense just like they do with a lot of other things like food. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| aq8knyus wrote: |
There are many thousands of people in countries that love Korean music, film and tv. A good portion of those find the use of blackface wrong and offensive.
When you cook up your next response why dont you try and tell us all why a Korean performer putting on blackface, munching down on a watermelon and acting like fool is anything other than racist. |
Fine, but will you acknowledge that Rain is a world star and that KPop is sweeping the globe? That everyone around the world knows the savory goodness of BiBimBap and if it weren't for that Abe and his stupid Shrine, Dokdo would be Korean in the East Sea thanks to the New York Times ads that everyone in America has read?
I on the other hand prefer to live in the reality that most of the world doesn't give a crap about KPop beyond "Whatever happened to that guy Psy?" and thinks dog is Korea's greatest world cuisine. Nobody cares about Korean TV shows and KPop stars beyond Koreaboos and the latest viral video that people forget 10 minutes later.
I have no idea if the watermelon is even linked to black folks simply because in Korea, the people here scarf watermelon (just like pig feet, chitlins, and fried chicken) that it could be purely coincidental. I will say that no one should ever do blackface simply from a corporate/legalistic view that even if its done as part of a multiracial comedy bit, someone will get offended and people should know better. If it wasn't coincidence and it was intentional, then fire the people and have a teachable moment.
But claiming that black folks the world over are outraged over Korean blackface is a bunch of Martin Luther Not. |
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