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metalhead
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Well, I couldn't fully understand the cartoon, but it certainly doesn't seem to be painting a flattering portrait of Koreans either. |
Man, you defend any and every aspect of Korean and can't understand a simple cartoon like that? Basically it says white people who use drugs are welcomed with open arms to teach in Korea because you know, ALL white teachers here use drugs. |
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metalhead
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| Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Imagine if you didn't spend all those hours typing mind-numbing essays as responses to people on this site and actually tried learning some Korean, you know, the whole 'I live here for years but can't be assed to learn the language' sign of total disrespect. |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Well, it depends on income level and nationality. First, I'd say that attractiveness can be a huge factor. An attractive, poor, rural, kid from a mixed family will have a much easier time. If not they are certainly much more likely to become a social outcast. As income rises they might still face teasing but will probably have a solid nucleus of friends, again dependent on attractiveness and being sociable. If their families are relatively wealthy, they may even end up getting the "exotic" and "unique" label, which while flattering on the surface can cause internal pressure to be exceptional. This is just what I've seen in my comparatively rural school which nonetheless has a range of international families. |
What age group are you teaching? Also, which nationalities are most/least favored with all other things being equal? |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| About the cartoon, the reason hagwon owners welcome the white English teachers is not out of naivety or kindness, but because they see them as a tool for making more money for themselves. The niceties are insincere. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| byrddogs wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Well, it depends on income level and nationality. First, I'd say that attractiveness can be a huge factor. An attractive, poor, rural, kid from a mixed family will have a much easier time. If not they are certainly much more likely to become a social outcast. As income rises they might still face teasing but will probably have a solid nucleus of friends, again dependent on attractiveness and being sociable. If their families are relatively wealthy, they may even end up getting the "exotic" and "unique" label, which while flattering on the surface can cause internal pressure to be exceptional. This is just what I've seen in my comparatively rural school which nonetheless has a range of international families. |
What age group are you teaching? Also, which nationalities are most/least favored with all other things being equal? |
Elementary students. Where I live, there is a nucleus of Japanese-Korean families, I think they all have something to do with the Moonies. Anyways, they do fairly well as most of their parents are rather affluent, although one girl is kinda outcast, but I think that has to do with her being heavy and quiet as much as anything, she still has a few friends though. There's also a female NET who married a Korean and she runs a hagwon, her kids are pretty popular. Among the other middle-class to affluent international kids, there's a Filipino-Korean family and their kids are fine, and a Chinese-Korean girl that is popular but dysfunctional. There's a couple more of various SE Asian descent, but they are in 3rd grade so its kinda hard to judge at the moment. As we go down the income ladder most of the kids are of mixed Vietnamese/Uzbek/Filipino descent and there tends to be much higher rates of problems. Most of their parents are farmers and you can really see that they are at risk. Some are sullen and withdrawn and I seriously worry about them having abusive fathers, others may have some friends, but they either become class clowns or bad boys in order to fit in.
Anyways, our school does a lot for them. I think because of the Japanese-Moonie base they have the resources and influence to push for good conditions. Our school has a special program for all of them and even gave them an all-expenses paid 2 day ski vacation where they could take their best friend as well. Also, I've noticed that compared to some of my friends who teach in other cities that our school is far more concerned with diversity and tolerance type stuff, probably because the parents really pushed for it.
I guess the moral of the story is that the Moonies have clout.  |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| metalhead wrote: |
Man, you defend any and every aspect of Korean and can't understand a simple cartoon like that? Basically it says white people who use drugs are welcomed with open arms to teach in Korea because you know, ALL white teachers here use drugs. |
Seems to me that they are showing how two-faced and discriminatory Koreans are to Africans. Koreans won't care if white people do something bad as long as it makes them money, but they will treat African people like garbage, even if they are honest hard workers.
Seems to me they are calling out Koreans for their bigotry more than anything about awful English teachers.
And how is "doesn't seem to be painting a flattering portrait of Koreans either" defending every aspect of Korean culture? |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Seems to me that they are showing how two-faced and discriminatory Koreans are to Africans. Koreans won't care if white people do something bad as long as it makes them money, but they will treat African people like garbage, even if they are honest hard workers. |
Oh, so the Africans don't make them money? (Just they are more easily replaceable?) I think most Koreans don't realize marijuana is safer than alcohol. (Obama said it, and it is true.) The drugs bit is used as a scare tactic. Is bringing marijuana into Korea doing something bad? No. It's not, because it is a safer, healthier alternative to alcohol. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
Oh, so the Africans don't make them money? (Just they are more easily replaceable?) |
Then what exactly is the reason the Africans are depicted in the cartoon with the Korean yelling at them?
Comparing the images and looking at the Koreans treating the Africans one way and the whites another. Either way, this anything but a flattering depiction of Koreans. |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Well, it depends on income level and nationality. First, I'd say that attractiveness can be a huge factor. An attractive, poor, rural, kid from a mixed family will have a much easier time. If not they are certainly much more likely to become a social outcast. As income rises they might still face teasing but will probably have a solid nucleus of friends, again dependent on attractiveness and being sociable. If their families are relatively wealthy, they may even end up getting the "exotic" and "unique" label, which while flattering on the surface can cause internal pressure to be exceptional. This is just what I've seen in my comparatively rural school which nonetheless has a range of international families. |
What age group are you teaching? Also, which nationalities are most/least favored with all other things being equal? |
Elementary students. Where I live, there is a nucleus of Japanese-Korean families, I think they all have something to do with the Moonies. Anyways, they do fairly well as most of their parents are rather affluent, although one girl is kinda outcast, but I think that has to do with her being heavy and quiet as much as anything, she still has a few friends though. There's also a female NET who married a Korean and she runs a hagwon, her kids are pretty popular. Among the other middle-class to affluent international kids, there's a Filipino-Korean family and their kids are fine, and a Chinese-Korean girl that is popular but dysfunctional. There's a couple more of various SE Asian descent, but they are in 3rd grade so its kinda hard to judge at the moment. As we go down the income ladder most of the kids are of mixed Vietnamese/Uzbek/Filipino descent and there tends to be much higher rates of problems. Most of their parents are farmers and you can really see that they are at risk. Some are sullen and withdrawn and I seriously worry about them having abusive fathers, others may have some friends, but they either become class clowns or bad boys in order to fit in.
Anyways, our school does a lot for them. I think because of the Japanese-Moonie base they have the resources and influence to push for good conditions. Our school has a special program for all of them and even gave them an all-expenses paid 2 day ski vacation where they could take their best friend as well. Also, I've noticed that compared to some of my friends who teach in other cities that our school is far more concerned with diversity and tolerance type stuff, probably because the parents really pushed for it.
I guess the moral of the story is that the Moonies have clout. |
Elementary aged kids, huh? The reason I asked about age group is because I wonder where and when nationality/income level comes into play with opinions. So, the little kids you teach are aware of those things and are treating others based on them? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| byrddogs wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| byrddogs wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Well, it depends on income level and nationality. First, I'd say that attractiveness can be a huge factor. An attractive, poor, rural, kid from a mixed family will have a much easier time. If not they are certainly much more likely to become a social outcast. As income rises they might still face teasing but will probably have a solid nucleus of friends, again dependent on attractiveness and being sociable. If their families are relatively wealthy, they may even end up getting the "exotic" and "unique" label, which while flattering on the surface can cause internal pressure to be exceptional. This is just what I've seen in my comparatively rural school which nonetheless has a range of international families. |
What age group are you teaching? Also, which nationalities are most/least favored with all other things being equal? |
Elementary students. Where I live, there is a nucleus of Japanese-Korean families, I think they all have something to do with the Moonies. Anyways, they do fairly well as most of their parents are rather affluent, although one girl is kinda outcast, but I think that has to do with her being heavy and quiet as much as anything, she still has a few friends though. There's also a female NET who married a Korean and she runs a hagwon, her kids are pretty popular. Among the other middle-class to affluent international kids, there's a Filipino-Korean family and their kids are fine, and a Chinese-Korean girl that is popular but dysfunctional. There's a couple more of various SE Asian descent, but they are in 3rd grade so its kinda hard to judge at the moment. As we go down the income ladder most of the kids are of mixed Vietnamese/Uzbek/Filipino descent and there tends to be much higher rates of problems. Most of their parents are farmers and you can really see that they are at risk. Some are sullen and withdrawn and I seriously worry about them having abusive fathers, others may have some friends, but they either become class clowns or bad boys in order to fit in.
Anyways, our school does a lot for them. I think because of the Japanese-Moonie base they have the resources and influence to push for good conditions. Our school has a special program for all of them and even gave them an all-expenses paid 2 day ski vacation where they could take their best friend as well. Also, I've noticed that compared to some of my friends who teach in other cities that our school is far more concerned with diversity and tolerance type stuff, probably because the parents really pushed for it.
I guess the moral of the story is that the Moonies have clout. |
Elementary aged kids, huh? The reason I asked about age group is because I wonder where and when nationality/income level comes into play with opinions. So, the little kids you teach are aware of those things and are treating others based on them? |
Mostly I'm referring to 5th and 6th graders, which is where the bulk of my classroom hours are involved. I mean, these are kids with cell phones, name brand clothes, and all have bfs/gfs. More like teenagers than kids. Kids get cliquey at that age, just like back home. Like I said, 3rd grade is kinda hard to judge. I don't teach 1st or 2nd these days so I haven't a clue. 4th just sporadically. |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Mostly I'm referring to 5th and 6th graders, which is where the bulk of my classroom hours are involved. I mean, these are kids with cell phones, name brand clothes, and all have bfs/gfs. More like teenagers than kids. Kids get cliquey at that age, just like back home. Like I said, 3rd grade is kinda hard to judge. I don't teach 1st or 2nd these days so I haven't a clue. 4th just sporadically. |
So, the 5th and 6th graders already have cell phones and are wearing name brand clothes in your rural area? I thought it was a low income area.
My overseas 5th and 6th grade students must be different than yours. They don't really start acting like teenagers until they move on to middle school. |
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World Traveler
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 8:21 am Post subject: |
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So, the 5th and 6th graders already have cell phones and are wearing name brand clothes in your rural area? I thought it was a low income area.
My overseas 5th and 6th grade students must be different than yours. They don't really start acting like teenagers until they move on to middle school. |
It's a small city. It isn't as rich as Seoul, but obviously there are kids from all income brackets. But unlike Seoul or a big city, a significant number of kids come from farms.
As far as growing up, it of course varies from year to year, but 6th graders are ALWAYS acting more like teens, and 5th can go either way. To throw out on old cliche though, "it seems every year kids grow up sooner". It might have something to do with the town being more close knit. The elementary, middle, and HS are all within a 5 minute walk from each other. Wouldn't be surprised if there was some overcompensation going on and the small town kids are frontin more.
Still seems that Koreans and their behavior are the target of the cartoon, at least as much as the English teachers.
I guess split the difference and call this a "Korea fail"- Trying to do the right thing and speaking up for discrimination to Africans, only to ineptly stigmatize NETs in the bargain. |
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Died By Bear
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