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Stan Rogers
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PatrickGHBusan
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Good for the coach. His pupils now have gold medals in two olympics.
As for Yoon ah, it remains to be seen what happens to her. She may yet win the gold again but the field is damn competitive. It is increbibly hard to win gold in two consecutive olympics. |
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Mr. Pink
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See how Yuna does this week. I am pretty proud of Canada's skating program though. For the funding that we throw at it, we do seem to get pretty decent results.
Pretty sure this coach is going to be in MAD demand for the next Olympics. |
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optik404
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| Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:53 am Post subject: |
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| I can already predict the posts that are going to be made when she wins or doesn't win gold. |
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tophatcat
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| Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 7:06 am Post subject: |
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| optik404 wrote: |
| I can already predict the posts that are going to be made when she wins or doesn't win gold. |
And I can already predict the replies that are going to be made by some of the apologists. |
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Chaparrastique
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| Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:45 am Post subject: |
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| optik404 wrote: |
| I can already predict the posts that are going to be made when she wins or doesn't win gold. |
And I can already predict the replies that are going to be made by some of the apologists. |
I can already predict the replies to the replies to the posts that will be made. |
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tophatcat
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| Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:57 am Post subject: |
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| Chaparrastique wrote: |
| tophatcat wrote: |
| optik404 wrote: |
| I can already predict the posts that are going to be made when she wins or doesn't win gold. |
And I can already predict the replies that are going to be made by some of the apologists. |
I can already predict the replies to the replies to the posts that will be made. |
a triple double-dog dare  |
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Steelrails
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I'm guessing from the responses and the OP that no one hear really watched or paid much attention to the Men's finals. A series of masterful performances with a commanding winner it was not. It was basically, who could mess up and fall the least.
This is like saying a racing team was right for changing drivers because their guy managed to be at the other end of the track when a 20 car pile-up happened. |
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byrddogs
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| Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Chaparrastique wrote: |
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| optik404 wrote: |
| I can already predict the posts that are going to be made when she wins or doesn't win gold. |
And I can already predict the replies that are going to be made by some of the apologists. |
I can already predict the replies to the replies to the posts that will be made. |
^^How about sharing some of those predictions, so as to check the validity of that crystal ball. |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 4:35 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
I'm guessing from the responses and the OP that no one hear really watched or paid much attention to the Men's finals. A series of masterful performances with a commanding winner it was not. It was basically, who could mess up and fall the least.
This is like saying a racing team was right for changing drivers because their guy managed to be at the other end of the track when a 20 car pile-up happened. |
Actually the final was punctuated by mistakes but also by some pretty impressive programs by the top skaters... |
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Stan Rogers
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| Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 6:16 am Post subject: |
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| Steel, he competed agains the world's best and got the gold. That's all that matters. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 8:08 am Post subject: |
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| Stan Rogers wrote: |
| Steel, he competed agains the world's best and got the gold. That's all that matters. |
Not really. When you win only because you messed up and everyone else messed up just as bad or worse on a day at least one person should have done a competent job, that doesn't serve as a decisive statement.
Of course, this was all on a skater's execution not a coach. As with all sports a lot of it comes down to the players on the field or the guy on the ice. In this case if any success isn't due in large part to Orser and if there had been any failure it wouldn't have been his fault either. The coach can't be blamed if a guy falls on a jump he lands 90% of the time. |
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rainman3277
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| Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Stan Rogers wrote: |
| Steel, he competed agains the world's best and got the gold. That's all that matters. |
Not really. When you win only because you messed up and everyone else messed up just as bad or worse on a day at least one person should have done a competent job, that doesn't serve as a decisive statement.
Of course, this was all on a skater's execution not a coach. As with all sports a lot of it comes down to the players on the field or the guy on the ice. In this case if any success isn't due in large part to Orser and if there had been any failure it wouldn't have been his fault either. The coach can't be blamed if a guy falls on a jump he lands 90% of the time. |
This is just his sneaky way of being able to downplay the coaches influence on Kim Yuna's gold. You see with Steelrails, you not only get an apologist, you get a proactive defender. Or maybe just so blinded by Korean bias that he doesn't realize coaching is 99% what you instill in the competitor before the match begins. |
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Steelrails
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| rainman3277 wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Stan Rogers wrote: |
| Steel, he competed agains the world's best and got the gold. That's all that matters. |
Not really. When you win only because you messed up and everyone else messed up just as bad or worse on a day at least one person should have done a competent job, that doesn't serve as a decisive statement.
Of course, this was all on a skater's execution not a coach. As with all sports a lot of it comes down to the players on the field or the guy on the ice. In this case if any success isn't due in large part to Orser and if there had been any failure it wouldn't have been his fault either. The coach can't be blamed if a guy falls on a jump he lands 90% of the time. |
This is just his sneaky way of being able to downplay the coaches influence on Kim Yuna's gold. You see with Steelrails, you not only get an apologist, you get a proactive defender. Or maybe just so blinded by Korean bias that he doesn't realize coaching is 99% what you instill in the competitor before the match begins. |
No, if Orser's skaters had failed to medal because they all fell on routine jumps or on the most challenging jump of their skate then you blame the skater for execution. If Suarez misses a chipshot goal, you don't say its Rogers' fault. You say Saurez miffed it. Now if a skater comes out lacking energy and looking flat, or their program is poorly choreographed and conceived, then you might look at the coach.
Orser is a great coach, but if Yuna falls or loses out to Lipnitskaia, is that really because Orser wasn't there? Isn't that more a reflection on Yuna executing or the quality of skater Lipnitskaia is? Likewise if Hanyu wins because he put in the least bad performance you don't credit him with any great coaching nor blame him.
Which is the better analysis- Hanyu wins gold thanks to brilliant coaching from Orser OR Hanyu eeks out gold in mistake filled Men's final? |
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Stain
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| rainman3277 wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Stan Rogers wrote: |
| Steel, he competed agains the world's best and got the gold. That's all that matters. |
Not really. When you win only because you messed up and everyone else messed up just as bad or worse on a day at least one person should have done a competent job, that doesn't serve as a decisive statement.
Of course, this was all on a skater's execution not a coach. As with all sports a lot of it comes down to the players on the field or the guy on the ice. In this case if any success isn't due in large part to Orser and if there had been any failure it wouldn't have been his fault either. The coach can't be blamed if a guy falls on a jump he lands 90% of the time. |
This is just his sneaky way of being able to downplay the coaches influence on Kim Yuna's gold. You see with Steelrails, you not only get an apologist, you get a proactive defender. Or maybe just so blinded by Korean bias that he doesn't realize coaching is 99% what you instill in the competitor before the match begins. |
No, if Orser's skaters had failed to medal because they all fell on routine jumps or on the most challenging jump of their skate then you blame the skater for execution. If Suarez misses a chipshot goal, you don't say its Rogers' fault. You say Saurez miffed it. Now if a skater comes out lacking energy and looking flat, or their program is poorly choreographed and conceived, then you might look at the coach.
Orser is a great coach, but if Yuna falls or loses out to Lipnitskaia, is that really because Orser wasn't there? Isn't that more a reflection on Yuna executing or the quality of skater Lipnitskaia is? Likewise if Hanyu wins because he put in the least bad performance you don't credit him with any great coaching nor blame him.
Which is the better analysis- Hanyu wins gold thanks to brilliant coaching from Orser OR Hanyu eeks out gold in mistake filled Men's final? |
This is an age old question philosophers have been asking for centuries. Whose fault is it, the coach's fault or Peyton Manning's? |
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