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hiamnotcool
Joined: 06 Feb 2012
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 Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:42 am Post subject: we do it to ourselves.... |
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So I think about people planning on returning to their home country and how much a career as an ESL teacher in Korea will help them get a job.
I imagine the guy conducting the interview or looking at their resume seeing NET in Korea pop up and googling it to find out what it's all about. Maybe finding some recruiting companies and then finding that most NETs will go online and....
-complain about their bosses, the food, the people
-appear to be narcissistic people that think they are too good for the job that they have
-use underhanded methods to get holidays, benefits, skip out on work, get out of contracts
-just generally air all the dirty laundry about their workplace in public and constantly mock their employers and the people that pay their bills
-instead of taking advantage of the opportunity to live abroad and learn, just talk about how they would rather be somewhere else or how home is better
It's defnitely only a small portion of the ESL community that does this in Korea, but it is what most of the material found on the internet consists of. I am guilty of contributing to it as well.
When I look at the job I see how it could easily be considered an asset to have someone with the experience in a company. Unfortunately, we are continually shooting ourselves in the foot by committing one of the most deadly sins of any workplace which is broadcasting the most simple problems in public. I don't expect it to stop, ever. I just think it's something people should consider when they think about putting this on their resume, or using this as a career builder. I hate to say it, but we do it to ourselves.
The exception would be people just asking for advice and trying to resolve issues, because that really is a difficult thing for people to do in Korea. I just really wish people would stop making youtube videos and blogs that make everyone look bad. |
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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:01 am Post subject: Re: we do it to ourselves.... |
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| hiamnotcool wrote: |
So I think about people planning on returning to their home country and how much a career as an ESL teacher in Korea will help them get a job.
I imagine the guy conducting the interview or looking at their resume seeing NET in Korea pop up and googling it to find out what it's all about. Maybe finding some recruiting companies and then finding that most NETs will go online and....
-complain about their bosses, the food, the people
-appear to be narcissistic people that think they are too good for the job that they have
-use underhanded methods to get holidays, benefits, skip out on work, get out of contracts
-just generally air all the dirty laundry about their workplace in public and constantly mock their employers and the people that pay their bills
-instead of taking advantage of the opportunity to live abroad and learn, just talk about how they would rather be somewhere else or how home is better
It's defnitely only a small portion of the ESL community that does this in Korea, but it is what most of the material found on the internet consists of. I am guilty of contributing to it as well.
When I look at the job I see how it could easily be considered an asset to have someone with the experience in a company. Unfortunately, we are continually shooting ourselves in the foot by committing one of the most deadly sins of any workplace which is broadcasting the most simple problems in public. I don't expect it to stop, ever. I just think it's something people should consider when they think about putting this on their resume, or using this as a career builder. I hate to say it, but we do it to ourselves.
The exception would be people just asking for advice and trying to resolve issues, because that really is a difficult thing for people to do in Korea. I just really wish people would stop making youtube videos and blogs that make everyone look bad. |
Don't worry about it. Unless you're applying for an esl position back home, it won't mean diddly to your employers. In fact, they will be curious why you wasted that time abroad. Some might be impressed depending on what job you're applying for. If they were so inclined to read up on NET's online, I'm pretty sure they would agree with the complaining considering it's a place they have no idea about. |
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Ginormousaurus
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
Location: 700 Ft. Pulpit
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:53 am Post subject: Re: we do it to ourselves.... |
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| hiamnotcool wrote: |
So I think about people planning on returning to their home country and how much a career as an ESL teacher in Korea will help them get a job.
I imagine the guy conducting the interview or looking at their resume seeing NET in Korea pop up and googling it to find out what it's all about. Maybe finding some recruiting companies and then finding that most NETs will go online and....
-complain about their bosses, the food, the people
-appear to be narcissistic people that think they are too good for the job that they have
-use underhanded methods to get holidays, benefits, skip out on work, get out of contracts
-just generally air all the dirty laundry about their workplace in public and constantly mock their employers and the people that pay their bills
-instead of taking advantage of the opportunity to live abroad and learn, just talk about how they would rather be somewhere else or how home is better
It's defnitely only a small portion of the ESL community that does this in Korea, but it is what most of the material found on the internet consists of. I am guilty of contributing to it as well.
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So is it most NETs or a small portion? It can't be both. |
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hiamnotcool
Joined: 06 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:02 am Post subject: Re: we do it to ourselves.... |
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| Ginormousaurus wrote: |
| hiamnotcool wrote: |
So I think about people planning on returning to their home country and how much a career as an ESL teacher in Korea will help them get a job.
I imagine the guy conducting the interview or looking at their resume seeing NET in Korea pop up and googling it to find out what it's all about. Maybe finding some recruiting companies and then finding that most NETs will go online and....
-complain about their bosses, the food, the people
-appear to be narcissistic people that think they are too good for the job that they have
-use underhanded methods to get holidays, benefits, skip out on work, get out of contracts
-just generally air all the dirty laundry about their workplace in public and constantly mock their employers and the people that pay their bills
-instead of taking advantage of the opportunity to live abroad and learn, just talk about how they would rather be somewhere else or how home is better
It's defnitely only a small portion of the ESL community that does this in Korea, but it is what most of the material found on the internet consists of. I am guilty of contributing to it as well.
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So is it most NETs or a small portion? It can't be both. |
Yeah, that wasn't as clear as it should have been.
maybe more like most nets THAT go online and post will....
and the idea is that the majority of online content produced by NETs just doesn't come off as too professional. As a result the job is perceived as somewhat of a joke. I would argue that it isn't any more of a joke than a lot of other jobs out there on the domestic front that pay 5 - 10k more, but the difference is you don't see those employees posting rants (and if they do discipline is usually the result). The end result of it is the NET field being perceived as it is presented online by a lot of people.
Fast food companies routinely fire employees for making youtube videos and spoofs, but that doesn't really happen to NETs. The irony is that at the end of the day I feel like a policy like that would protect the NETs more than it would protect the schools. |
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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:03 am Post subject: Re: we do it to ourselves.... |
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| Ginormousaurus wrote: |
| hiamnotcool wrote: |
So I think about people planning on returning to their home country and how much a career as an ESL teacher in Korea will help them get a job.
I imagine the guy conducting the interview or looking at their resume seeing NET in Korea pop up and googling it to find out what it's all about. Maybe finding some recruiting companies and then finding that most NETs will go online and....
-complain about their bosses, the food, the people
-appear to be narcissistic people that think they are too good for the job that they have
-use underhanded methods to get holidays, benefits, skip out on work, get out of contracts
-just generally air all the dirty laundry about their workplace in public and constantly mock their employers and the people that pay their bills
-instead of taking advantage of the opportunity to live abroad and learn, just talk about how they would rather be somewhere else or how home is better
It's defnitely only a small portion of the ESL community that does this in Korea, but it is what most of the material found on the internet consists of. I am guilty of contributing to it as well.
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So is it most NETs or a small portion? It can't be both. |
Checkmate |
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hiamnotcool
Joined: 06 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:30 pm Post subject: Re: we do it to ourselves.... |
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| Stain wrote: |
| Ginormousaurus wrote: |
| hiamnotcool wrote: |
So I think about people planning on returning to their home country and how much a career as an ESL teacher in Korea will help them get a job.
I imagine the guy conducting the interview or looking at their resume seeing NET in Korea pop up and googling it to find out what it's all about. Maybe finding some recruiting companies and then finding that most NETs will go online and....
-complain about their bosses, the food, the people
-appear to be narcissistic people that think they are too good for the job that they have
-use underhanded methods to get holidays, benefits, skip out on work, get out of contracts
-just generally air all the dirty laundry about their workplace in public and constantly mock their employers and the people that pay their bills
-instead of taking advantage of the opportunity to live abroad and learn, just talk about how they would rather be somewhere else or how home is better
It's defnitely only a small portion of the ESL community that does this in Korea, but it is what most of the material found on the internet consists of. I am guilty of contributing to it as well.
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So is it most NETs or a small portion? It can't be both. |
Checkmate |
and at the end of the day, that's what this is all really about isn't it? |
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Rockhard
Joined: 11 Dec 2013
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| I hope you aren't using Dave's ESL cafe as your benchmark. This forum is just the same 15 guys arguing over the same crap for nearly two decades now. Newbs come in and get tossed around by the resident chatterboxes and then move on their way. It's like that local pub in your hometown. There's always the one-off visitors coming through and then there's the same 5 guys sitting at the bar just waiting for a good argument to pipe up to quench their boredom. |
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jcd
Joined: 13 Mar 2012
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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not cool
Sounds like a brown noser manifesto
"Don't mock your employers they pay your bills." barf |
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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not cool
Sounds like a brown noser manifesto
"Don't mock your employers they pay your bills." barf |
Exactly. Maybe he can apply for a job with the Korea Times. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:25 pm Post subject: Re: we do it to ourselves.... |
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| hiamnotcool wrote: |
| Stain wrote: |
| Ginormousaurus wrote: |
So is it most NETs or a small portion? It can't be both. |
Checkmate |
and at the end of the day, that's what this is all really about isn't it? |
you win the internetz
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| I hope you aren't using Dave's ESL cafe as your benchmark. This forum is just the same 15 guys arguing over the same crap for nearly two decades now. Newbs come in and get tossed around by the resident chatterboxes and then move on their way. It's like that local pub in your hometown. There's always the one-off visitors coming through and then there's the same 5 guys sitting at the bar just waiting for a good argument to pipe up to quench their boredom. |
Sad but true, the local pub image. |
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hiamnotcool
Joined: 06 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Rockhard wrote: |
| I hope you aren't using Dave's ESL cafe as your benchmark. This forum is just the same 15 guys arguing over the same crap for nearly two decades now. Newbs come in and get tossed around by the resident chatterboxes and then move on their way. It's like that local pub in your hometown. There's always the one-off visitors coming through and then there's the same 5 guys sitting at the bar just waiting for a good argument to pipe up to quench their boredom. |
Yeah I agree, but that is if I approach it as someone who teachers ESL in Korea. As an outsider that is curious about the job and what it entails, it's very possible Dave's would become the benchmark. |
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hiamnotcool
Joined: 06 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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not cool
Sounds like a brown noser manifesto
"Don't mock your employers they pay your bills." barf |
Exactly. Maybe he can apply for a job with the Korea Times. |
Yeah and maybe you can keep posting on Dave's there buddy. We will both go far with our attitudes no? |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:08 pm Post subject: Re: we do it to ourselves.... |
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| hiamnotcool wrote: |
When I look at the job I see how it could easily be considered an asset to have someone with the experience in a company. |
I think you're wrong, unless you're going to do teaching back home.
| hiamnotcool wrote: |
| I just really wish people would stop making youtube videos and blogs that make everyone look bad. |
I don't think employers back home are reading them. |
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hiamnotcool
Joined: 06 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:33 pm Post subject: Re: we do it to ourselves.... |
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| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
| hiamnotcool wrote: |
When I look at the job I see how it could easily be considered an asset to have someone with the experience in a company. |
I think you're wrong, unless you're going to do teaching back home.
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| I just really wish people would stop making youtube videos and blogs that make everyone look bad. |
I don't think employers back home are reading them. |
As far as being wrong, I think it depends on the qualifications a NET has along with their experience. Good qualifications plus some random experience working overseas would be an asset in my opinion, but maybe you know better than I do.
I think if they are coming down to a few select candidates for a position they will look into the information that is out there for ESL. I think that there is a lot more that could be done with networking and presentation of the job if NETs wanted to go in that direction, but it seems to be a job where the norm is stabbing people in the back and being cynical. I don't expect that to change, I'm not doing anything about it, I'm just commenting on the situation as I see it. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| ... it's true. That's what really hurts. |
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