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Youngben88



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 1:52 am    Post subject: How effective can non anyone teachers be? Reply with quote

Do you think non native speakers can be effective teachers?

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littlelisa



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes.
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schwa



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Post subject: How effective can non anyone teachers be?

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Rockhard



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends.

Depends on the level of the students.
Depends on the level of the teacher.
Non natives can translate.
But natives have proper pronunciation, speed, and grammar.

Usually the ideal is a native speaker who has learned your language to a fluent level. When I learned German in university that's how it was. French in Canada, that's how it was. I speak both languages. That's what works well. I prefer classes that are totally immersion. But that's just my preference.

But Korea can't afford anybody like that, so they make do.
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Weigookin74



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Before there were native speakers in Korea, the English levels here sucked and Koreans speaking English couldn't make themselves understood when they travelled. Now, in Seoul, at least, they're getting pretty good. That forced interaction with natives growing up makes it easier for Koreans when they go abroad and do business with other nationalities.

So, we have had an effect. As for natives knowing the language, how many folks would have thought to learn Korean up until a few years ago? Most people didn't know where Korea was and the few who did, thought it was people living in straw houses. (Some of my first pics of Korea sent home shocked some people, by the very fact they weren't living in straw houses or in squalor.)

So many people back in the mid 2000's, told me I was nuts for coming here. Unlike them, I knew how to read and google search to realize Korea wasn't like that. But that was the perception, even amongst some smart people I knew. Not so many people think like that now.
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Who's Your Daddy?



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think an English teacher from Germany say might be more effective than a native speaker. I think the important things are knowledge of English, and teaching ability - not being a native speaker.
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Scorpion



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In response to your question let me say this: I effective think can non anyone perspective teach the English be.

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Lucas



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In response to your question let me say this: I effective think can non anyone perspective teach the English be.

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faeriehazel



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ideally, a non-native speaker who has achieved fluency (or as close to it as possible) would be the most effective sort of teacher because he or she would probably be more familiar with the learning process than a native speaker. Such a teacher would be able to better anticipate what sorts of mistakes their students are more prone to.

Realistically speaking, these sorts of teachers are hard to find. The English teachers I had in middle/high schools in Korea all sucked, and they made all sorts of mistakes in class. Also they hated me for committing the unpardonable sin of having lived abroad.
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Engrish Mufffin



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who's Your Daddy? wrote:
I think an English teacher from Germany say might be more effective than a native speaker. I think the important things are knowledge of English, and teaching ability - not being a native speaker.

It's hard to learn any language when the non native teacher uses Korean 95% of the time and English 5% of the time. A lot of these Korean "English" teachers are a joke. They can't go more than 2 sentences without making a grammatical mistake or using Konglish. Students pick up the same bad habits from their teachers, especially wrong grammar and wrong preposition usage.
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Stain



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Engrish Mufffin wrote:
Who's Your Daddy? wrote:
I think an English teacher from Germany say might be more effective than a native speaker. I think the important things are knowledge of English, and teaching ability - not being a native speaker.

It's hard to learn any language when the non native teacher uses Korean 95% of the time and English 5% of the time. A lot of these Korean "English" teachers are a joke. They can't go more than 2 sentences without making a grammatical mistake or using Konglish. Students pick up the same bad habits from their teachers, especially wrong grammar and wrong preposition usage.



I gave up on prepositions and articles long ago. Even the smartest students, after continual drilling, will make those mistakes.
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Weigookin74



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stain wrote:
Engrish Mufffin wrote:
Who's Your Daddy? wrote:
I think an English teacher from Germany say might be more effective than a native speaker. I think the important things are knowledge of English, and teaching ability - not being a native speaker.

It's hard to learn any language when the non native teacher uses Korean 95% of the time and English 5% of the time. A lot of these Korean "English" teachers are a joke. They can't go more than 2 sentences without making a grammatical mistake or using Konglish. Students pick up the same bad habits from their teachers, especially wrong grammar and wrong preposition usage.



I gave up on prepositions and articles long ago. Even the smartest students, after continual drilling, will make those mistakes.


Well, sometimes a language is best learned through osmosis. This is especially true at a young age. If we can speak to kids under 10 years of age, they'll just pick it up. The system now seems to favor piling it on when they're older and have to struggle with the patterns.

I did a semster of kindergarden a few years ago as an experiment by the local ed office. I did have some basic Korean knowledge which helped. But repeated drills with flash cards as well as using words "like" and "want", along with songs allowed those kids to catch in quickly. Shame I didn't get to keep interacting with them. They would have probably had a high level of fluency and had much less stress in Middle School.

As for me, my ability to write, use proper grammar, and articulate came from my ability to read. I read a lot and took it all in. Although I did learn some in school and it was some help. Seeing it over and over and over again was the most help. Now, I do it automatically without thinking. I don't stop and think "Noun" or "Comma", etc.
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Juregen



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rockhard wrote:
Depends.

Depends on the level of the students.
Depends on the level of the teacher.
Non natives can translate.
But natives have proper pronunciation, speed, and grammar.


THIS is funny. Really ...

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Usually the ideal is a native speaker who has learned your language to a fluent level. When I learned German in university that's how it was. French in Canada, that's how it was. I speak both languages. That's what works well. I prefer classes that are totally immersion. But that's just my preference.

But Korea can't afford anybody like that, so they make do.
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Squire



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've worked at five different public schools here and with several KETs and homeroom teachers. Of five actual Korean English teachers I'd say only one was/is fluent enough to teach in English without continuously making mistakes. A couple more speak good English for Koreans but don't ever socialize with foreigners so simply don't get the practice. As far as I'm aware none of them have any interest in English language TV either. That's not to say they can't teach English well, but when they've tried to teach English in English the expressions they use seem very scripted and unnatural. The point I'm getting at its they can't create a realistic immersion environment.
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Rockhard



Joined: 11 Dec 2013

PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Squire wrote:
I've worked at five different public schools here and with several KETs and homeroom teachers. Of five actual Korean English teachers I'd say only one was/is fluent enough to teach in English without continuously making mistakes. A couple more speak good English for Koreans but don't ever socialize with foreigners so simply don't get the practice. As far as I'm aware none of them have any interest in English language TV either. That's not to say they can't teach English well, but when they've tried to teach English in English the expressions they use seem very scripted and unnatural. The point I'm getting at its they can't create a realistic immersion environment.


In other words, at the current price level ($3,000 a month), schools can pick between fluent-speaking but untrained natives or trained Koreans that can barely speak English. It's not a great choice. But clearly the native speaker is going to be more effective.

A native who is trained as a teacher and fluent in Korean would cost way more than schools are willing to pay. And trained Koreans who are fluent in English have far better opportunities open to them and wouldn't work for such a low wage.
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