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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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WASHINGTON — With the U.S. out of Iraq and leaving Afghanistan, the Pentagon wants to shrink the Army to its smallest size since before World War II.
The plan to cut the service from 522,000 to fewer than 450,000 active-duty troops is the most dramatic of a series of cuts Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel proposed Monday.
Hagel outlined plans set to be included next week in President Obama’s 2015 budget proposal as the administration works to squeeze defense funding to meet tight spending caps.
“We have to face the realities of our time,” Navy Rear Adm. John Kirby, the Pentagon press secretary, said Monday. “We must be pragmatic.”
The reduced force reflects the Army’s pullback from ground operations requiring large troop numbers.
The U.S. doesn’t need a big army unless it is “expecting to be fighting large land wars," said Chris Preble, a defense analyst at the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/pentagon-cuts-shrink-army-smallest-size-wwii-article-1.1700568 |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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"The US Army is kind of over the M-1 Abrams tank. At more than $7 million a pop, there's not much call for the heavy gas-guzzlers on modern battlefields. But some of the most conservative self-styled deficit hawks on Capitol Hill refuse to do away with their treaded gravy train.
The military has said thanks but no thanks to more tanks; their current fleet is large and new, and in search of a mission, as they're more useful for open-field battles with the Soviet army than for distributing goodwill to Afghan villages. Yet Congress has appropriated $436 million to keep production rolling, NPR reports:"
http://gawker.com/deficit-fighting-congress-will-spend-millions-on-unwant-484605864 |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 1:55 am Post subject: |
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| Radcon, your link is a year old. I posted mine when it was two minutes old. (Mine is the correct/relevant/current one.) |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 2:04 am Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| Radcon, your link is a year old. I posted mine when it was two minutes old. (Mine is the correct/relevant/current one.) |
Wow. The link is a whole year old. What does that matter? Ancient? Not really in terms of national spending. Do you think this still doesn't happen even though its a whole year later? The tank factory in Ohio is still making those unwanted tanks as I write this.
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World Traveler
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Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 2:09 am Post subject: |
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This is the breaking news:
"For the first time in 13 years we will be presenting a budget to the Congress of the United States that's not a war-footing budget," Hagel said in response to reporters' questions. "That's a defining budget because it starts to reset and reshape." |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 2:16 am Post subject: |
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"The military of the United States is deployed in more than 150 countries around the world, with 164,227 of its active-duty personnel serving outside the United States and its territories and an additional 118,966 deployed in various contingency operations."
Let's hope these proposed budget cuts address this issue. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 2:28 am Post subject: |
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In an effort to adhere to President Obama’s pledge of scaling back military operations abroad, compounded by the grim reality of austerity measures following years of prodigious spending, the epoch of expensive US overseas military occupations appears to have waned, according to the New York Times.
The Pentagon envisions a leaner fighting machine that will still be able to win wars, but without the massive military footprint now stamped across much of the planet. |
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The US Army, which went from a post-September 11 high of 570,000 troops to 490,000 today, will continue to drop to between 440,000 and 450,000 under Hagel’s proposal, which was leaked to the Times by anonymous Pentagon officials.
This would reduce the troop strength of the US Army to its lowest level since 1940.
Meanwhile, a number of weapon systems deemed impractical by today’s military realities are expected to be axed from the budget. |
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| The proposed spending overhaul is intended to conform with the Bipartisan Budget Act - agreed upon by President Obama and Congress in December - that places a cap on military spending at around $496 billion for fiscal year 2015. |
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radcon
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Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 2:34 am Post subject: |
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| Why are you posting about US military reductions like you think it's a positive thing? You have repeatedly said that the US military is a great force for goodness on earth. So wouldn't more soldiers and more weapons that a larger budget brings mean much more goodness for the world courtesy of the US military? |
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World Traveler
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Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 2:51 am Post subject: |
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| The U.S. military is already huge and powerful, so much so that it could be reduced greatly and still maintain its standing as the world's sole undisputed superpower. No one else comes even close. |
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young_clinton
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Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 7:04 am Post subject: |
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How many wars at one time can the US fight? I use to know. Maybe its time to turn our protective backs on our ungrateful critics.
A side note that might interest some of you. The Taliban (freedom fighters to some of you) in Pakistan says it will refuse anything less than Sharia law in Pakistan. They actually just beheaded 20 or so Pakistani policeman. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
How many wars at one time can the US fight? I use to know. Maybe its time to turn our protective backs on our ungrateful critics.
A side note that might interest some of you. The Taliban (freedom fighters to some of you) in Pakistan says it will refuse anything less than Sharia law in Pakistan. They actually just beheaded 20 or so Pakistani policeman. |
First, your premise is that any war America fights is just by virtue of it being fought by America seems suspect. Also, being "not as bad as the Taliban" does not confer the status of "good" upon America's actions, rather they are less worse.
Second, what business of ours is a domestic rebellion in Pakistan? Should Pakistan or England or France have intervened in our Civil War? Is it the responsibility of Pakistanis to send over troops to hunt down the Olympic bomber or The Boston Bombing suspects? |
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Hokie21
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Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| young_clinton wrote: |
How many wars at one time can the US fight? I use to know. Maybe its time to turn our protective backs on our ungrateful critics.
A side note that might interest some of you. The Taliban (freedom fighters to some of you) in Pakistan says it will refuse anything less than Sharia law in Pakistan. They actually just beheaded 20 or so Pakistani policeman. |
Second, what business of ours is a domestic rebellion in Pakistan? Should Pakistan or England or France have intervened in our Civil War? Is it the responsibility of Pakistanis to send over troops to hunt down the Olympic bomber or The Boston Bombing suspects? |
Ugh...SR...sometimes you make some really good points, but when you make a comment like this I wonder what the heck is going through that brain of yours.
I think most people here will agree that the Taliban aren't very nice people? Yes? Well considering that Pakistan is a nuclear power with a stockpile of nuclear warheads I would imagine a lot of people would prefer if those didn't fall into the hands of some of these militant groups. This is a big reason why so many countries and political leaders feel that what is going on in Pakistan is "their business."
Now lets just hope you're above going on a George Bush WOMD rant. |
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Died By Bear

Joined: 13 Jul 2010 Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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The last guy in this trailer says "America knows war. They are war masters". Good film, watched it last week. The old man interview was powerful, but they don't show it in this trailer. Good stuff.
http://dirtywars.org/trailer |
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Hokie21
Joined: 01 Mar 2011
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Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Died By Bear wrote: |
The last guy in this trailer says "America knows war. They are war masters". Good film, watched it last week. The old man interview was powerful, but they don't show it in this trailer. Good stuff.
http://dirtywars.org/trailer |
Yeah I watched this a few weeks ago, it's available on Instant Netflix at the moment. Good film. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Hokie21 wrote: |
I think most people here will agree that the Taliban aren't very nice people? Yes? Well considering that Pakistan is a nuclear power with a stockpile of nuclear warheads I would imagine a lot of people would prefer if those didn't fall into the hands of some of these militant groups. This is a big reason why so many countries and political leaders feel that what is going on in Pakistan is "their business."
Now lets just hope you're above going on a George Bush WOMD rant. |
You know, one might look at the situation and say "Should we allow one of the largest stockpiles in the world of nuclear weapons fall into the hands of a regime that at the very least completely botched its causus belli for a pre-emtive invasion of another country and quite possibly lied and fabricated the evidence for it?" Wouldn't that be just cause for other countries to want to interfere in our domestic politics?
The nuclear weapons in Pakistan are incapable of reaching the United States. If we want to go after these people in a criminal international law enforcement context, fine. But we cannot become entangled into the internal politics of Pakistan. That is a situation that will ultimately prove disastrous, no matter what short-term gains in security are made. |
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