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Stain
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| Canadians are so cute when worked up about hockey. NHL scores are always on the last page of any U.S. sports page, right there with the local bowling league scores. The lack of interest in hockey in the U.S. is monumental. There is no hockey on American t.v. None!! One year the Stanley Cup finals drew a lower rating in L.A. than a rerun of The Six Million dollar Man. That is a fact!! |
This is true. But, the sports channels hardly tire of the US victory over the Russians in 1980 in the Olympics. Americans, of course, are more interested in American football and basketball and even baseball. But many thoroughly enjoy watching their countrymen defeat others in sports they don't watch or care about, namely soccer. |
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Stain
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 7:55 am Post subject: |
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| rollo wrote: |
| Canadians are so cute when worked up about hockey. NHL scores are always on the last page of any U.S. sports page, right there with the local bowling league scores. The lack of interest in hockey in the U.S. is monumental. There is no hockey on American t.v. None!! One year the Stanley Cup finals drew a lower rating in L.A. than a rerun of The Six Million dollar Man. That is a fact!! |
This is true. But, the sports channels hardly tire of the US victory over the Russians in 1980 in the Olympics. Americans, of course, are more interested in American football and basketball and even baseball. But many thoroughly enjoy watching their countrymen defeat others in sports they don't watch or care about, namely soccer. |
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radcon
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| rollo wrote: |
| Canadians are so cute when worked up about hockey. NHL scores are always on the last page of any U.S. sports page, right there with the local bowling league scores. The lack of interest in hockey in the U.S. is monumental. There is no hockey on American t.v. None!! One year the Stanley Cup finals drew a lower rating in L.A. than a rerun of The Six Million dollar Man. That is a fact!! |
This is true. But, the sports channels hardly tire of the US victory over the Russians in 1980 in the Olympics. Americans, of course, are more interested in American football and basketball and even baseball. But many thoroughly enjoy watching their countrymen defeat others in sports they don't watch or care about, namely soccer. |
The 1980 "Miracle on Ice" had little to do with hockey. It was about the Cold War and the perceived invincibilty of that Russian team. If the US were to miraculously beat Brazil in the final of this years World Cup, only about 100 Americans will care a little bit. |
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young_clinton
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:28 am Post subject: |
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| Unfortunately there was no "Miracle on Ice" in this round, next round perhaps. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:33 am Post subject: |
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| love those exciting 1-1 games with the WWE style fake fights. I have never watched a hockey game . Only soccer could come close to being as boring. But Canadians enjoy it and it is harmless until some drunken Canuck starts on it in some bar. Geez! The pain!! Enjoy1 what ever. Not sure why it would be an olympic sport, only a few nations even have teams. |
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Mr. BlackCat
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I think it's kind of sad that so many people think just because they're not interested in something that means their entire country is not interested in it.
They don't show hockey on TV in the US? Tell NBC, who has a lucrative deal with the NHL and just had it's highest ratings ever for hockey (and one of the highest ever for non-championship sport) with the outdoor Pittsburgh v Chicago game. No one cares about the World Cup? Huh. The 1994 World Cup held in the US still holds the record for highest attendance. Before you say it's due to the population or accessibility of the US, remember the WC has been held several times in the middle of Europe and South America.
I'll say it again, just because you don't like something doesn't mean everyone around you doesn't like it. In fact, all this denial about caring about it is really coming off as a defensive strategy from losing. It's a very common tactic, pretending not to care when you know you're going to lose. Funny how American sport fans rarely lose an opportunity to brag about a win in any sport, but when they lose they often resort to denying that sport's importance. As someone said, Americans bring up the 1980 "miracle" quite often, but if they were to have lost, I'm sure "It's a dumb game" would have filled that space.
On a personal note, if you honestly think hockey is more boring than baseball then obviously you've never watched a game. Football has about 10 minutes of actual action per game. Basketball could be ok, but the 87 time outs in the last 2 minutes kill any excitement for me. But as usual with American sport fans, only "their" sports matter, and the sports other countries like should be ridiculed. |
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radcon
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I think it's kind of sad that so many people think just because they're not interested in something that means their entire country is not interested in it.
They don't show hockey on TV in the US? Tell NBC, who has a lucrative deal with the NHL and just had it's highest ratings ever for hockey (and one of the highest ever for non-championship sport) with the outdoor Pittsburgh v Chicago game. No one cares about the World Cup? Huh. The 1994 World Cup held in the US still holds the record for highest attendance. Before you say it's due to the population or accessibility of the US, remember the WC has been held several times in the middle of Europe and South America.
I'll say it again, just because you don't like something doesn't mean everyone around you doesn't like it. In fact, all this denial about caring about it is really coming off as a defensive strategy from losing. It's a very common tactic, pretending not to care when you know you're going to lose. Funny how American sport fans rarely lose an opportunity to brag about a win in any sport, but when they lose they often resort to denying that sport's importance. As someone said, Americans bring up the 1980 "miracle" quite often, but if they were to have lost, I'm sure "It's a dumb game" would have filled that space.
On a personal note, if you honestly think hockey is more boring than baseball then obviously you've never watched a game. Football has about 10 minutes of actual action per game. Basketball could be ok, but the 87 time outs in the last 2 minutes kill any excitement for me. But as usual with American sport fans, only "their" sports matter, and the sports other countries like should be ridiculed. |
The World Cup has very minimal interest in the US. It is growing but still tiny. The 1994 Cup was well attended, by tourists and immigrants from the other countries playing. Look at the tv ratings compared to the rest of the world. When Mexico plays the US in LA these days, 100,000 people attend- almost all rooting for Mexico. Hockey is the 4th most popular team sport in the US ( with a few pockets where it is more popular) and will be 5th soon when soccer over takes it.
Like I said if the US were to win the World Cup there would be no parades, no people going nutso in the streets, no national holiday as you see in other nations.
And comparing how interesting and entertaining different sports are is just stupid. People like what they like. |
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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| Mr. BlackCat wrote: |
I think it's kind of sad that so many people think just because they're not interested in something that means their entire country is not interested in it.
They don't show hockey on TV in the US? Tell NBC, who has a lucrative deal with the NHL and just had it's highest ratings ever for hockey (and one of the highest ever for non-championship sport) with the outdoor Pittsburgh v Chicago game. No one cares about the World Cup? Huh. The 1994 World Cup held in the US still holds the record for highest attendance. Before you say it's due to the population or accessibility of the US, remember the WC has been held several times in the middle of Europe and South America.
I'll say it again, just because you don't like something doesn't mean everyone around you doesn't like it. In fact, all this denial about caring about it is really coming off as a defensive strategy from losing. It's a very common tactic, pretending not to care when you know you're going to lose. Funny how American sport fans rarely lose an opportunity to brag about a win in any sport, but when they lose they often resort to denying that sport's importance. As someone said, Americans bring up the 1980 "miracle" quite often, but if they were to have lost, I'm sure "It's a dumb game" would have filled that space.
On a personal note, if you honestly think hockey is more boring than baseball then obviously you've never watched a game. Football has about 10 minutes of actual action per game. Basketball could be ok, but the 87 time outs in the last 2 minutes kill any excitement for me. But as usual with American sport fans, only "their" sports matter, and the sports other countries like should be ridiculed. |
The World Cup has very minimal interest in the US. It is growing but still tiny. The 1994 Cup was well attended, by tourists and immigrants from the other countries playing. Look at the tv ratings compared to the rest of the world. When Mexico plays the US in LA these days, 100,000 people attend- almost all rooting for Mexico. Hockey is the 4th most popular team sport in the US ( with a few pockets where it is more popular) and will be 5th soon when soccer over takes it.
Like I said if the US were to win the World Cup there would be no parades, no people going nutso in the streets, no national holiday as you see in other nations.
And comparing how interesting and entertaining different sports are is just stupid. People like what they like. |
So, immigrants to the US aren't "American"? It's only an important sport if white middle class people care? I'm missing your point here.
As to the 'tourist' part, that's why I brought up the fact that other World Cups are held in the middle of Europe and South America. Do you not think Germany got tourists from surrounding European countries (and others) in 2006? Do you not think Brazil will get tourists this summer? Yet the US still had the highest attendance. A lot of that has to do with the fact that the US has bigger stadiums, and I'm not saying soccer is more popular there. I'm just saying it's not as unpopular as you might think.
As for hockey, you're really missing the point here. No one is saying it's the most popular sport in the US. It's the 4th popular sport there, ok, we get it. 4th popular in a country of 300 million+ is not the complete lack of interest many Americans here are trying to prove it is. I've posted numbers here showing that a similar amount of players are registered in Canada and the US, and that hockey games draw similar TV audiences. Yes, that's obviously not the same percentage of total population, but it is still a large number. That was the point we were talking about. I don't get how repeating that hockey is the 4 biggest sport in the US proves that no one in the country cares about it. That clearly isn't the case. That's what we're talking about.
I'm also confused why you keep saying soccer is going to over take it. Do you have any proof of this? I don't necessarily doubt it, but since you're also saying that no one in the US cares about the World Cup or hockey (which has been disproven several times), please excuse me for not taking your word for it. I've already posted a couple of stats showing both participation in hockey and TV audiences for hockey are growing.
As for talking about personal preferences, that was also my point. Someone said hockey is boring, and I said I differed on that opinion. Thus, it's just an 'opinion'. But as a baseball fan, and former player, I do have to say that there is no way baseball is more exciting than any sport anywhere. That's just a fact. It's fun, especially in the stadium. But it's not exciting, or at least it rarely is. But back to hockey, I really believe if you think it's "boring" you have no idea what you're talking about. I've heard a lot of criticisms about the sport over the years, some I agree with, some I don't (fair enough). But "boring" only comes out very rarely, and from people who haven't even seen a game. Most of the criticism is that it's too fast and too much is going on at once to follow along. |
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radcon
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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I think it's kind of sad that so many people think just because they're not interested in something that means their entire country is not interested in it.
They don't show hockey on TV in the US? Tell NBC, who has a lucrative deal with the NHL and just had it's highest ratings ever for hockey (and one of the highest ever for non-championship sport) with the outdoor Pittsburgh v Chicago game. No one cares about the World Cup? Huh. The 1994 World Cup held in the US still holds the record for highest attendance. Before you say it's due to the population or accessibility of the US, remember the WC has been held several times in the middle of Europe and South America.
I'll say it again, just because you don't like something doesn't mean everyone around you doesn't like it. In fact, all this denial about caring about it is really coming off as a defensive strategy from losing. It's a very common tactic, pretending not to care when you know you're going to lose. Funny how American sport fans rarely lose an opportunity to brag about a win in any sport, but when they lose they often resort to denying that sport's importance. As someone said, Americans bring up the 1980 "miracle" quite often, but if they were to have lost, I'm sure "It's a dumb game" would have filled that space.
On a personal note, if you honestly think hockey is more boring than baseball then obviously you've never watched a game. Football has about 10 minutes of actual action per game. Basketball could be ok, but the 87 time outs in the last 2 minutes kill any excitement for me. But as usual with American sport fans, only "their" sports matter, and the sports other countries like should be ridiculed. |
The World Cup has very minimal interest in the US. It is growing but still tiny. The 1994 Cup was well attended, by tourists and immigrants from the other countries playing. Look at the tv ratings compared to the rest of the world. When Mexico plays the US in LA these days, 100,000 people attend- almost all rooting for Mexico. Hockey is the 4th most popular team sport in the US ( with a few pockets where it is more popular) and will be 5th soon when soccer over takes it.
Like I said if the US were to win the World Cup there would be no parades, no people going nutso in the streets, no national holiday as you see in other nations.
And comparing how interesting and entertaining different sports are is just stupid. People like what they like. |
So, immigrants to the US aren't "American"? It's only an important sport if white middle class people care? I'm missing your point here.
As to the 'tourist' part, that's why I brought up the fact that other World Cups are held in the middle of Europe and South America. Do you not think Germany got tourists from surrounding European countries (and others) in 2006? Do you not think Brazil will get tourists this summer? Yet the US still had the highest attendance. A lot of that has to do with the fact that the US has bigger stadiums, and I'm not saying soccer is more popular there. I'm just saying it's not as unpopular as you might think.
As for hockey, you're really missing the point here. No one is saying it's the most popular sport in the US. It's the 4th popular sport there, ok, we get it. 4th popular in a country of 300 million+ is not the complete lack of interest many Americans here are trying to prove it is. I've posted numbers here showing that a similar amount of players are registered in Canada and the US, and that hockey games draw similar TV audiences. Yes, that's obviously not the same percentage of total population, but it is still a large number. That was the point we were talking about. I don't get how repeating that hockey is the 4 biggest sport in the US proves that no one in the country cares about it. That clearly isn't the case. That's what we're talking about.
I'm also confused why you keep saying soccer is going to over take it. Do you have any proof of this? I don't necessarily doubt it, but since you're also saying that no one in the US cares about the World Cup or hockey (which has been disproven several times), please excuse me for not taking your word for it. I've already posted a couple of stats showing both participation in hockey and TV audiences for hockey are growing.
As for talking about personal preferences, that was also my point. Someone said hockey is boring, and I said I differed on that opinion. Thus, it's just an 'opinion'. But as a baseball fan, and former player, I do have to say that there is no way baseball is more exciting than any sport anywhere. That's just a fact. It's fun, especially in the stadium. But it's not exciting, or at least it rarely is. But back to hockey, I really believe if you think it's "boring" you have no idea what you're talking about. I've heard a lot of criticisms about the sport over the years, some I agree with, some I don't (fair enough). But "boring" only comes out very rarely, and from people who haven't even seen a game. Most of the criticism is that it's too fast and too much is going on at once to follow along. |
Just a fact that hockey is more exciting than baseball? Do you know the definition of fact? Well I say baseball is more exciting and interesting than hockey. So there. See how stupid that is. Your or my opinions mean nothing.
Where did I say no one cares about hockey or the World Cup? Some do, but most US sports fans don't.
Soccer is already the largest sport in the US in terms of the number of youth who play it. They tend to gravitate to other sports as they get older,however- except for women.
These days a lot of parents won't let their kids get into football because of the concussion issue. And as the US population gets more Hispanic, soccer popularity will grow and the next on the list is hockey. So yes in my humble opinion it will pass hockey in popularity. |
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andrewchon
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About the attendance in '94 WC: they were high because
1) it was the first time in US and they didn't know...
2) US has BIG stadiums everywhere. It's rare to find a 80,000+ in Europe.
Wembley Stadium London, Camp Nou Barcelorna and Olimpico Rome are are 80k+. Old Trafford, Manchester is slight under, Santiago Bernabeu, Madrid wasn't 80k+ when Spain held WC in '82. Most clubs contending for European football have 40k studiums. However, in Italy and France some championship teams play in 20-30k parks. |
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EZE
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Wow. How the heck do you equate driving a car with an actual sport? I don't know much about Nascar, but it's obvious you don't know a single thing about hockey.
And, I actually didn't realize you were a complete racist. I'll back out of this one now. Not worth the time. |
NASCAR fans and ice hockey fans both think their "athletes" are athletes.
Yes, it's so racist of me to acknowledge the scientific fact that a people of another race have higher muscle density and bone mineral density, in general, than people of my ethnic background.
I'm 0% black and probably around 80% white, but I've competed against enough whites and blacks to know who is vastly more athletic in general, with some exceptions. If you had competed against blacks in sports that require athleticism, particularly in positions that require athleticism, you'd agree. It's pretty obvious.
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You know when it comes to privilege, nothing screams it more than Red Army soldiers like Igor Larianov and Slava Fetisov. After all, the Russian Army is the height of privilege and wealth, certainly not a center of grueling, hard labor.
Hockey is not just a Canadian and American sport. A pair of skates cost as much as some nice kicks that people playing basketball on a public court pay. A stick is as much as a baseball bat. Then you find a pond. Poor people can afford to play hockey. |
You're talking about the Soviet Union, I'm talking about the USA and Canada. It's apples and oranges. Poor people in most parts of the USA would be able to play ice hockey outdoors exactly zero days out of the year. In many places, especially in cities, there's no pond. In most parts of the USA, what ponds there are either don't freeze or don't freeze thick enough to safely skate on. That leaves white kids on farms in Minnesota, Michigan, Alaska, and a few other places, in addition to the privileged white kids who can play indoors all year, so that's the team we field.
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| They don't show hockey on TV in the US? |
Sure, a bunch of couch potatoes love ice hockey, but our athletes (the blacks) don't. And few ever get the chance to play, which probably contributes heavily to their lack of interest. Apparently Steelrails saw some black ice hockey players, but I saw only one on a sports card decades ago.
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| Funny how American sport fans rarely lose an opportunity to brag about a win in any sport, but when they lose they often resort to denying that sport's importance. |
You want to talk about TV? NASCAR is the most popular sport among couch potatoes in the USA. But I haven't seen anyone on here bragging about this American driver or that American driver winning the Talladega 500 or the Daytona 500 over Canadian drivers. Why?
1. We know Canadians don't really "do" NASCAR despite a long list of Canadians who have competed in NASCAR.
2. We know drivers aren't top athletes. |
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Steelrails
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Actually many ice rinks are public and most cities offer community youth sports leagues and vouchers for underpriviliged kids to participate. I never played hockey so I forgot about those, but same as Rec&Ed baseball or swimming, you have hockey. And parents who can afford basketball shoes can afford skates.
As for black interest, everyone has been into the Wings since the whole fued with the Avs went down. City pride and all. Personally my former coworker's son was getting into hockey and she didn't raise any issues about them being black.
You'd be surprised what goes down. |
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Mr. BlackCat
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Just a fact that hockey is more exciting than baseball? Do you know the definition of fact? Well I say baseball is more exciting and interesting than hockey. So there. See how stupid that is. Your or my opinions mean nothing.
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Obviously dry humour isn't an American sport.
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Soccer is already the largest sport in the US in terms of the number of youth who play it. They tend to gravitate to other sports as they get older,however- except for women.
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Ok. And more kids play soccer in Canada than any other sport, including hockey. So I guess hockey isn't big there, either, and soccer should overtake it any day now. |
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Mr. BlackCat
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About the attendance in '94 WC: they were high because
1) it was the first time in US and they didn't know...
2) US has BIG stadiums everywhere. It's rare to find a 80,000+ in Europe.
Wembley Stadium London, Camp Nou Barcelorna and Olimpico Rome are are 80k+. Old Trafford, Manchester is slight under, Santiago Bernabeu, Madrid wasn't 80k+ when Spain held WC in '82. Most clubs contending for European football have 40k studiums. However, in Italy and France some championship teams play in 20-30k parks. |
Yes, like I said, a big part of the attendance record was big stadiums. If they had big stadiums in Europe or Asia or South America then they would have probably been sold out, too. I was speaking to the idea that the World Cup isn't popular in the US. If you're selling out 80k stadiums in Germany, South Africa, Korea or the US, then it must be popular in that country. |
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Mr. BlackCat
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Sure, a bunch of couch potatoes love ice hockey, but our athletes (the blacks) don't. And few ever get the chance to play, which probably contributes heavily to their lack of interest. Apparently Steelrails saw some black ice hockey players, but I saw only one on a sports card decades ago.
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Again, I don't get it. So if only brown immigrants care about soccer then it's not a real sport in the US, but if black Americans don't like something then it's not a real sport either? Apparently race relations are a sport in the US.
Anyway, you might want to tell PK Subban, Norris Trophy winner (best defenceman) and recent gold medalist, along with his first round draft pick brother, that inner city black youth don't care about hockey.
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You want to talk about TV? NASCAR is the most popular sport among couch potatoes in the USA. But I haven't seen anyone on here bragging about this American driver or that American driver winning the Talladega 500 or the Daytona 500 over Canadian drivers. Why?
1. We know Canadians don't really "do" NASCAR despite a long list of Canadians who have competed in NASCAR.
2. We know drivers aren't top athletes. |
Why are we talking about NASCAR? To keep the sports theme alive, you guys keep moving the goalposts here. The topic is whether hockey is popular in the US. It is. It's been prove by numbers and facts. Bringing up soccer and NASCAR and your own personal experiences doesn't change that. Let it go. Hockey is popular in the US and you didn't get a medal at the Olympics. I'm not shoving it in your face like the OP. It's just a fact, and the more you try to distract, defend and deflect from it makes me think you really do care. Just move on. |
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