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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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I think structurally the olympics will be fine (with perhaps the exception of shady 'love motel' accommodation). It's Korea's cultural elements that are going to make the news. Remember in 1988 how the Korean boxing coach jumped into the ring and assaulted the referee? Then the security guards climbed intro the ring, not to break things up, but to join in the attack. Great stuff. It'll be Korea's cultural uniqueness (ahem) that will make the games interesting.
Fun times await us. 
Gusts of Popular Feeling has done an excellent look back at the 1988 Seoul Olympics. Well worth a read.
http://populargusts.blogspot.kr/search/label/Sports |
^ That is some dirty s**t right there.
I had no idea about attack in the ring. The Jones Jr. "stolen gold" scandal makes even more sense in that context. Not only were there allegations of bribery, but the whole intimidation factor was going on where if a Korean fighter didn't win, there was the risk of the referee getting attacked.
The Korean coach that assaulted the ref got banned, but apparently the ban isn't enforced so he ignores it and kept coaching.
Then, NBC broadcasts the incidents and gets lambasted by Korea for actually showing the world these actions. Wow.
On top of that, the incidents of the Korean fighters sitting in the ring in protest when they lost was ugly too. I lost so I'm going to sit here all day and sulk in protest.
Seems they need to be introduced to the concept of good sportsmanship and losing with dignity.
So if for some reason the bribes don't work and Yuna loses again in 2018, are the Koreans going to storm the rink and assault the judges?
Interesting quote:
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One suspects something wrong happened on the way to modern nationhood in Korea. An unfortunate synthesis must have occurred between West and East. The West, usually via Japan in the 1920s and 1930s, gave Korea half-baked German notions of Blood and Soil; it also exported, mostly from America, the equally half-baked notions of vulgar evangelism. Korea contributed an emotional legacy of historical bitterness and a propensity for shamanistic rites. These are precisely some of the ingredients that went into Independence Hall, and were encouraged by the Olympic games. No doubt the sense of victimhood, of being ignored or worse by other powers throughout history, has contributed to the modern zeal to gain recognition, to win gold medals, to beat the Japanese, and ultimately, who knows, the Americans. |
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guavashake
Joined: 09 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:04 am Post subject: |
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The majority is NOT setup. |
The majority of venues have been completed for years. Using capital letters will not change the facts. |
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SeoulNate
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
Location: Hyehwa
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:32 am Post subject: |
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The majority is NOT setup. |
The majority of venues have been completed for years. Using capital letters will not change the facts. |
What exactly are you referring to?
Some of the physical buildings are setup yes. I never argued that.
The infrastructure to help tourists get from one place to another most certainly is not.
The website that you linked earlier, which appears to have been made by a 12 year old, was a prime example of that.
Where are tourists going to stay? There are less than a dozen hotels (all in Seoul) which have a functioning English website that dont rely on IE6. Are all the tourists in the world going to rely on those?
People going to the Olympics dont just, for the most part, show up in the country and say, "now lets look for a place to stay". These trips get booked far in advance.
Transportation has a similar problem.
These two things dont exactly make traveling in Korea easy for people without any Korean language skill. |
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mellinger
Joined: 21 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:36 am Post subject: |
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For hotels, there is a great site called agoda.com. Just for Seoul they have over 700 hotels listed. For Pyeong Chang, they already have 33 hotels there that you can book, and in Gangwon-do there are over 130. And yes, the site is in English and can be translated in many other languages. You pay with your credit card and don't even have to worry about communicating with the person at the hotel desk if you don't want to. You just hand them the e-ticket confirmation agoda gives you. It's fantastic. Sure, that site isn't set up by the Korean Government, but it's a resource they can promote if they want to help people with booking hotels here in Korea.
As for transport, Korail has an english site where foreigners can book their train tickets. You just get a print out that has the details of your ticket and then you hand it to the ticket desk with your passport and they give you your ticket. As has been said, train will probably be one of the easiest ways to get there when they finish the new track to Gangneung. So the fact they already have a working english site is a huge advantage.
No one will know just how ready they will be....but the fact that it's the olympics, I'm in agreement with a lot here that they will do just fine. |
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guavashake
Joined: 09 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:49 am Post subject: |
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| SeoulNate wrote: |
| guavashake wrote: |
| SeoulNate wrote: |
The majority is NOT setup. |
The majority of venues have been completed for years. Using capital letters will not change the facts. |
What exactly are you referring to?
Some of the physical buildings are setup yes. I never argued that.
The infrastructure to help tourists get from one place to another most certainly is not.
The website that you linked earlier, which appears to have been made by a 12 year old, was a prime example of that.
Where are tourists going to stay? There are less than a dozen hotels (all in Seoul) which have a functioning English website that dont rely on IE6. Are all the tourists in the world going to rely on those?
People going to the Olympics dont just, for the most part, show up in the country and say, "now lets look for a place to stay". These trips get booked far in advance.
Transportation has a similar problem.
These two things dont exactly make traveling in Korea easy for people without any Korean language skill. |
"Where are tourists going to stay?" comes across as a sofa king wee tod did question. Tourists stay in hotels, resorts and various places where tourists stay. There are numerous places for tourists to stay and there will be more.
"Transportation has a similar problem."
You are welcome to believe that the high speed rail to the Olympic site will not be completed according to plan, or whatever you believe.
Whatever it is that you wish to believe, you are welcome to it.
Here is the website for Yongpyong resort
http://www.yongpyong.co.kr/eng/index.asp
The 32nd YongPyong International Ski Festival
http://www.yongpyong.co.kr/eng/etc/news_view.asp?idx=66 |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 6:04 am Post subject: |
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I wonder why guva hopes Korea fails?
Can't be worse than Russia, and the IOC ain't dumb. If they really believe a country can't host an Olympics, they won't award them one. With the exception of the World Wars, no city has lost their Olympics. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:13 am Post subject: |
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Seating capacity of 10,000 is better than I thought it would be.
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Union Hockey Centre (유니온 아이스하키 경기장) is a future temporary indoor ice arena which will be built for the 2018 Winter Olympics. It is located in the coastal city of Gangneung. It will be the one of the two venues for ice hockey and will be the venue for the hockey finals.
The seating capacity is 10,000.
The cost of construction for the Olympics is 73 million USD. Construction should start in September 2013 and be completed in September 2016. After the Olympics the facility will be disassembled and reinstalled in Wonju.
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| I heard rumors that all of this is backed by the Moonies and going into their coffers. In that case, the shadiness will come before the event, not so much during it. |
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rainman3277
Joined: 13 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Mix1 wrote: |
| Smithington wrote: |
I think structurally the olympics will be fine (with perhaps the exception of shady 'love motel' accommodation). It's Korea's cultural elements that are going to make the news. Remember in 1988 how the Korean boxing coach jumped into the ring and assaulted the referee? Then the security guards climbed intro the ring, not to break things up, but to join in the attack. Great stuff. It'll be Korea's cultural uniqueness (ahem) that will make the games interesting.
Fun times await us.
Gusts of Popular Feeling has done an excellent look back at the 1988 Seoul Olympics. Well worth a read.
http://populargusts.blogspot.kr/search/label/Sports |
^ That is some dirty s**t right there.
I had no idea about attack in the ring. The Jones Jr. "stolen gold" scandal makes even more sense in that context. Not only were there allegations of bribery, but the whole intimidation factor was going on where if a Korean fighter didn't win, there was the risk of the referee getting attacked.
The Korean coach that assaulted the ref got banned, but apparently the ban isn't enforced so he ignores it and kept coaching.
Then, NBC broadcasts the incidents and gets lambasted by Korea for actually showing the world these actions. Wow.
On top of that, the incidents of the Korean fighters sitting in the ring in protest when they lost was ugly too. I lost so I'm going to sit here all day and sulk in protest.
Seems they need to be introduced to the concept of good sportsmanship and losing with dignity. |
Yuna lost with exceptional dignity. And if you want to go back 30 years for your examples, watching the video it's pretty obvious from the way the Korean fighter picks up Jones Jr. he knew he didn't win.
For this past Olympics, U.S. had athletes from skiiing to figure skating complaining. Blaming everyone from the judges to their own national olympic committee. Does that mean ALL Americans need to loss with dignity? I don't think so. |
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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| She hardly lost. She got a silver medal. For most of the world that is called winning. |
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rainman3277
Joined: 13 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| She hardly lost. She got a silver medal. For most of the world that is called winning. |
To champions, 2nd place is nothing but 1st loser. If you don't know that, you haven't been the best. I'd bet Yuna see's that silver as a drink coaster. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| rainman3277 wrote: |
| Mix1 wrote: |
| Smithington wrote: |
I think structurally the olympics will be fine (with perhaps the exception of shady 'love motel' accommodation). It's Korea's cultural elements that are going to make the news. Remember in 1988 how the Korean boxing coach jumped into the ring and assaulted the referee? Then the security guards climbed intro the ring, not to break things up, but to join in the attack. Great stuff. It'll be Korea's cultural uniqueness (ahem) that will make the games interesting.
Fun times await us.
Gusts of Popular Feeling has done an excellent look back at the 1988 Seoul Olympics. Well worth a read.
http://populargusts.blogspot.kr/search/label/Sports |
^ That is some dirty s**t right there.
I had no idea about attack in the ring. The Jones Jr. "stolen gold" scandal makes even more sense in that context. Not only were there allegations of bribery, but the whole intimidation factor was going on where if a Korean fighter didn't win, there was the risk of the referee getting attacked.
The Korean coach that assaulted the ref got banned, but apparently the ban isn't enforced so he ignores it and kept coaching.
Then, NBC broadcasts the incidents and gets lambasted by Korea for actually showing the world these actions. Wow.
On top of that, the incidents of the Korean fighters sitting in the ring in protest when they lost was ugly too. I lost so I'm going to sit here all day and sulk in protest.
Seems they need to be introduced to the concept of good sportsmanship and losing with dignity. |
Yuna lost with exceptional dignity. And if you want to go back 30 years for your examples, watching the video it's pretty obvious from the way the Korean fighter picks up Jones Jr. he knew he didn't win.
For this past Olympics, U.S. had athletes from skiiing to figure skating complaining. Blaming everyone from the judges to their own national olympic committee. Does that mean ALL Americans need to loss with dignity? I don't think so. |
Speaking of examples, you only have one: Yuna. And as you probably know, her countrymen were generally NOT singing the same tune as her.
It's the same pattern that has been established before: If they lose, they commonly cry foul and/or blame it on prejudice against Korea. It becomes some kind of conspiracy. If there is no conspiracy, they still take a loss VERY hard, as if Korea as a whole lost somehow because of one contest.
Contrast that with the average American, who really couldn't be too bothered if any one individual lost an event. A few olympians might have complained, but it never reached any major uproar status. Random example: Shawn White didn't win a third gold medal in half pipe, despite high expectations, but I haven't heard anyone crying foul about that. It's a loss and that's the end of it as far as most are concerned. Also, "complaints" are hardly comparable to bribery or attacking a ref. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| She hardly lost. She got a silver medal. For most of the world that is called winning. |
To champions, 2nd place is nothing but 1st loser. If you don't know that, you haven't been the best. I'd bet Yuna see's that silver as a drink coaster. |
I hope not.
Kinda reminds me of some of the students here with an entitlement complex who think they always deserve the A+.
Then, what do they often do when they don't get it? Cry foul and blame the teacher instead of themselves! Similar mindset. |
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optik404
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Mix1 wrote: |
| rainman3277 wrote: |
| Scorpion wrote: |
| She hardly lost. She got a silver medal. For most of the world that is called winning. |
To champions, 2nd place is nothing but 1st loser. If you don't know that, you haven't been the best. I'd bet Yuna see's that silver as a drink coaster. |
I hope not.
Kinda reminds me of some of the students here with an entitlement complex who think they always deserve the A+.
Then, what do they often do when they don't get it? Cry foul and blame the teacher instead of themselves! Similar mindset. |
I think for Olympic athletes its true. Winning silver is bittersweet because they were so close to winning gold. Athletes that win bronze are usually just happy they won anything. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Mix1 wrote: |
| rainman3277 wrote: |
| Mix1 wrote: |
| Smithington wrote: |
I think structurally the olympics will be fine (with perhaps the exception of shady 'love motel' accommodation). It's Korea's cultural elements that are going to make the news. Remember in 1988 how the Korean boxing coach jumped into the ring and assaulted the referee? Then the security guards climbed intro the ring, not to break things up, but to join in the attack. Great stuff. It'll be Korea's cultural uniqueness (ahem) that will make the games interesting.
Fun times await us.
Gusts of Popular Feeling has done an excellent look back at the 1988 Seoul Olympics. Well worth a read.
http://populargusts.blogspot.kr/search/label/Sports |
^ That is some dirty s**t right there.
I had no idea about attack in the ring. The Jones Jr. "stolen gold" scandal makes even more sense in that context. Not only were there allegations of bribery, but the whole intimidation factor was going on where if a Korean fighter didn't win, there was the risk of the referee getting attacked.
The Korean coach that assaulted the ref got banned, but apparently the ban isn't enforced so he ignores it and kept coaching.
Then, NBC broadcasts the incidents and gets lambasted by Korea for actually showing the world these actions. Wow.
On top of that, the incidents of the Korean fighters sitting in the ring in protest when they lost was ugly too. I lost so I'm going to sit here all day and sulk in protest.
Seems they need to be introduced to the concept of good sportsmanship and losing with dignity. |
Yuna lost with exceptional dignity. And if you want to go back 30 years for your examples, watching the video it's pretty obvious from the way the Korean fighter picks up Jones Jr. he knew he didn't win.
For this past Olympics, U.S. had athletes from skiiing to figure skating complaining. Blaming everyone from the judges to their own national olympic committee. Does that mean ALL Americans need to loss with dignity? I don't think so. |
Speaking of examples, you only have one: Yuna. And as you probably know, her countrymen were generally NOT singing the same tune as her.
It's the same pattern that has been established before: If they lose, they commonly cry foul and/or blame it on prejudice against Korea. It becomes some kind of conspiracy. If there is no conspiracy, they still take a loss VERY hard, as if Korea as a whole lost somehow because of one contest.
Contrast that with the average American, who really couldn't be too bothered if any one individual lost an event. A few olympians might have complained, but it never reached any major uproar status. Random example: Shawn White didn't win a third gold medal in half pipe, despite high expectations, but I haven't heard anyone crying foul about that. It's a loss and that's the end of it as far as most are concerned. Also, "complaints" are hardly comparable to bribery or attacking a ref. |
Well Korea lost in a fair number of events. Its only in one event in a decision that garnered world-wide suspicion. I'm willing to bet that if it had been Gracie Gold instead of Kim Yuna, there would have been a similar uproar in the US.
Anyways if you want to talk about bad sportsmanship and losing poorly, lets not forget the US Olympic Hockey Team trashing its hotel in 1998 after losing. Or Americans that still rant over the time they got jobbed out of their basketball gold medals back in 1972. |
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