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young_clinton
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| goat wrote: |
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Yeah, and Jesus said 'give all your belongings to the poor'. How can anyone even consider liking that socialist Obama-rite.   |
Jesus has been over-rated as a thinker. |
So was Bertrand Russell. |
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goat
Joined: 23 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:28 am Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
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| Yeah, and Jesus said 'give all your belongings to the poor'. How can anyone even consider liking that socialist Obama-rite. |
I'm pretty sure Jesus never said that. |
According to the bible, jesus said, go sell all your belongings and give the money to the poor.
But don't get me wrong, I figure 95% of what's in the bible to be hogwash! |
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joelove
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The reliance on books is kind of strange too. Religions base their framework, if that's the right word, on books. We can see that what the followers are into has little to do with their everyday real life, but they think it does. It's all quite strange. Belief takes hold and the follower finds comfort in that. I think that is the root of any organized religion, maybe. This pursuit of psychological comfort, which is found to some extent, also has a strange element of fear. It also contains arrogance and self-centeredness, if that's a word. There's no dissuading the believers, because the belief is the anchor, and they are scared of where their ship might go, to use a metaphor. Imagine having no beliefs!
Meanwhile this commitment to being a particular thing means there is no room for exploration, since a conclusion and its comfort has already been decided upon. |
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guavashake
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| The philosopher asks for his change and the hot dog vendor says... "Change comes from within" |
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Jongno2bucheon
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| goat wrote: |
| young_clinton wrote: |
| andrewchon wrote: |
| Yeah, and Jesus said 'give all your belongings to the poor'. How can anyone even consider liking that socialist Obama-rite. |
I'm pretty sure Jesus never said that. |
According to the bible, jesus said, go sell all your belongings and give the money to the poor.
But don't get me wrong, I figure 95% of what's in the bible to be hogwash! |
Thats not the entire picture
18Then he said to Him, "Which ones?" And Jesus said, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER; YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY; YOU SHALL NOT STEAL; YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS; 19HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER; and YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF
19HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER; and YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF." 20The young man said to Him, "All these things I have kept; what am I still lacking?
…20The young man said to Him, "All these things I have kept; what am I still lacking?" 21Jesus said to him, "If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me." 22But when the young man heard this statement, he went away grieving; for he was one who owned much property.…
And Jesus said to His disciples, "Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24"Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."…
Etc etc.
In general i think its cool that philosophy in general is relevant after so many decades or centuries or even milleniums |
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goat
Joined: 23 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
| andrewchon wrote: |
| Yeah, and Jesus said 'give all your belongings to the poor'. How can anyone even consider liking that socialist Obama-rite. |
I'm pretty sure Jesus never said that. |
I'm pretty sure you have been proven wrong there, |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| To the extent that Jesus articulated a philosophy, it was largely just a poor man's version of Cynicism dressed up in a Jewish package. |
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Scorpion
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| I have to go with Dubya and say Jesus. |
I dont wish to turn this into a religious debate but the words of Jesus may not have been his own, considering when they were written (and by whom) in relation to his death. (I agree that the the book itself though is definitely thought provoking if you approach it with an open mind). |
I'm pretty sure the poster was joking about Jesus. I think by 'Dubya" he's referring to George W. Bush ('Dubya' was the comedians' nickname for him) and his answer to a question during one of the presidential debates. The question was about each candidate's favorite philosopher. Al Gore said something like Spinoza or Wittgenstein, but Bush answered that his favorite philospher was Jesus "because he changed my heart." After that he became a laughing stock. How could Jesus, being God, be considered a philosopher when he knows all the answers about everything. If Jesus existed, as was God, then he's the complete antithesis of a philosopher. He could only be a philosopher if he didn't have all the answers, and was searching for them like the rest of us.
Any thinking person who didn't think Bush was an idiot before that question certainly did afterwards.
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Scorpion
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| To the extent that Jesus articulated a philosophy, it was largely just a poor man's version of Cynicism dressed up in a Jewish package. |
You've clearly read some of Robert Price's books. He deals with that in some detail. Quite a fascinating take on the matter. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Scorpion wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| To the extent that Jesus articulated a philosophy, it was largely just a poor man's version of Cynicism dressed up in a Jewish package. |
You've clearly read some of Robert Price's books. He deals with that in some detail. Quite a fascinating take on the matter. |
I'd actually never heard of Robert Price until I looked at Wikipedia just now. Rather, I'd suggest that if one reads about the Cynics, the parallels are difficult to avoid. |
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goat
Joined: 23 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Scorpion wrote: |
| le-paul wrote: |
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| I have to go with Dubya and say Jesus. |
I dont wish to turn this into a religious debate but the words of Jesus may not have been his own, considering when they were written (and by whom) in relation to his death. (I agree that the the book itself though is definitely thought provoking if you approach it with an open mind). |
I'm pretty sure the poster was joking about Jesus. I think by 'Dubya" he's referring to George W. Bush ('Dubya' was the comedians' nickname for him) and his answer to a question during one of the presidential debates. The question was about each candidate's favorite philosopher. Al Gore said something like Spinoza or Wittgenstein, but Bush answered that his favorite philospher was Jesus "because he changed my heart." After that he became a laughing stock. How could Jesus, being God, be considered a philosopher when he knows all the answers about everything. If Jesus existed, as was God, then he's the complete antithesis of a philosopher. He could only be a philosopher if he didn't have all the answers, and was searching for them like the rest of us.
Any thinking person who didn't think Bush was an idiot before that question certainly did afterwards. |
Well stated. |
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yodanole
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Otus
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| If Jesus existed, as was God, then he's the complete antithesis of a philosopher. He could only be a philosopher if he didn't have all the answers, and was searching for them like the rest of us. |
Oddly enough Descartes leveled the complaint against the Leibnizian system of philosophy that to accept it you had to accept the notion of 'one true philosophy'.
Even Russell found himself at odds with Wittgenstein because the latter wouldn't accept 'philosophical problems' - mathematical and grammatical, yes, but Witt. claimed philosophy to be somehow complete in itself ... Russell thought that made philosophy trivial.
I also think of philosophy as useful, although I don't think of it as 'providing' any answers in itself; just clarifying the axioms we state. |
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