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Mix1
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| Smithington wrote: |
I think structurally the olympics will be fine (with perhaps the exception of shady 'love motel' accommodation). It's Korea's cultural elements that are going to make the news. Remember in 1988 how the Korean boxing coach jumped into the ring and assaulted the referee? Then the security guards climbed intro the ring, not to break things up, but to join in the attack. Great stuff. It'll be Korea's cultural uniqueness (ahem) that will make the games interesting.
Fun times await us. 
Gusts of Popular Feeling has done an excellent look back at the 1988 Seoul Olympics. Well worth a read.
http://populargusts.blogspot.kr/search/label/Sports |
^ That is some dirty s**t right there.
I had no idea about attack in the ring. The Jones Jr. "stolen gold" scandal makes even more sense in that context. Not only were there allegations of bribery, but the whole intimidation factor was going on where if a Korean fighter didn't win, there was the risk of the referee getting attacked.
The Korean coach that assaulted the ref got banned, but apparently the ban isn't enforced so he ignores it and kept coaching.
Then, NBC broadcasts the incidents and gets lambasted by Korea for actually showing the world these actions. Wow.
On top of that, the incidents of the Korean fighters sitting in the ring in protest when they lost was ugly too. I lost so I'm going to sit here all day and sulk in protest.
Seems they need to be introduced to the concept of good sportsmanship and losing with dignity. |
Yuna lost with exceptional dignity. And if you want to go back 30 years for your examples, watching the video it's pretty obvious from the way the Korean fighter picks up Jones Jr. he knew he didn't win.
For this past Olympics, U.S. had athletes from skiiing to figure skating complaining. Blaming everyone from the judges to their own national olympic committee. Does that mean ALL Americans need to loss with dignity? I don't think so. |
Speaking of examples, you only have one: Yuna. And as you probably know, her countrymen were generally NOT singing the same tune as her.
It's the same pattern that has been established before: If they lose, they commonly cry foul and/or blame it on prejudice against Korea. It becomes some kind of conspiracy. If there is no conspiracy, they still take a loss VERY hard, as if Korea as a whole lost somehow because of one contest.
Contrast that with the average American, who really couldn't be too bothered if any one individual lost an event. A few olympians might have complained, but it never reached any major uproar status. Random example: Shawn White didn't win a third gold medal in half pipe, despite high expectations, but I haven't heard anyone crying foul about that. It's a loss and that's the end of it as far as most are concerned. Also, "complaints" are hardly comparable to bribery or attacking a ref. |
Well Korea lost in a fair number of events. Its only in one event in a decision that garnered world-wide suspicion. I'm willing to bet that if it had been Gracie Gold instead of Kim Yuna, there would have been a similar uproar in the US.
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Doubtful, even assuming a significant portion of Americans suddenly became rabid skating fans/conspiracy theorists who were obsessed with their international presence in the world. Also, Americans don't have a comparable victimhood complex or race-based nationalism thing going on. In other words, not the same "uproar" at all; it simply wouldn't hit Americans too hard in comparison.
But beyond random incidents, in terms of sports, which country/culture has a more ingrained ideal of the concept of good sportsmanship and losing with dignity? A boxer sulking in the ring in protest would be looked at as sour grapes bad sportsmanship in the USA, whereas in Korea, they'd likely view it differently. Sure, a few might show some token regret to save face, but on the whole they'd be fine with it.
Among different cultures, there's definitely different outlooks on behavior and how to judge it, it's not all SAME SAME, incident vs. incident. And this can be applied to concepts of sportsmanship.
As an tangentially related example, look at the difference in perspectives in how each culture views things like copying, lying, cheating, and bribes and how much more they are practiced and tolerated in each one. You could dig up incidents of copying in either country, but in one country copying is a relatively serious, shameful offense, whereas in Korea, it's not only fairly normal and lightly tolerated, but in some cases encouraged or praised (a view apparently shared by some apologists on here). |
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catman
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 4:37 am Post subject: |
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| Nothing compares to the Apollo Ohno outcry. |
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Newbie
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:08 am Post subject: |
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They'll be fine.
There's nothing Korea likea more than international recognition. They won't be allowed to screw this up. |
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atwood
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| But will they emulate Russia and following the Olympics move to annex NK? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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So when people get charged or politicians forced to resign because of cheating or copying...that somehow is encouragement or praise?
Or even toleration? |
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Smithington
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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Let's face it, the olympics are going to be one big Hansik commercial. They'll have Psy up there doing his horsey dance "Bulgogi Style'. Kim Yuna will credit kimchi for her gold medal. The skating arena itself will be constructed to look like a bibimbap bowl. K-pop groups will be paid to sing songs about samgapsal. The entire olympic village will be surrounded by Korean food restaurants, and only Korean restaurants.
Who wants to bet? They've been trying to push K-food like mad every chance they get. Now they finally have a captive audience. They ain't gonna pass up on this opportunity.
Comedy (in generous servings) awaits us. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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Let's face it, the olympics are going to be one big Hansik commercial. They'll have Psy up there doing his horsey dance "Bulgogi Style'. Kim Yuna will credit kimchi for her gold medal. The skating arena itself will be constructed to look like a bibimbap bowl. K-pop groups will be paid to sing songs about samgapsal. The entire olympic village will be surrounded by Korean food restaurants, and only Korean restaurants.
Who wants to bet? They've been trying to push K-food like mad every chance they get. Now they finally have a captive audience. They ain't gonna pass up on this opportunity.
Comedy (in generous servings) awaits us. |
Smith, your posts always make me laugh.  |
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World Traveler
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atwood
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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Comedy Gold! |
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World Traveler
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Smithington
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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And the Olympics are still four years away. Get ready to endure the unendurable. K-pop nonsense mixed (pardon the pun) with K-food nonsense. The Korea Times will produce scientific reports showing that not only is Korean food healthy, but even listening to songs about Korean food has been proven to lower cholesterol, reverse high blood pressure, and lower rates of criminal behavior and blatant homosexuality in foreign men.
Fun times. |
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:52 am Post subject: |
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| In all seriousness, (well mostly), the Russians put a giant nesting doll in their slopestyle course which was a brilliant move. It was fun, and the athletes could do tricks off it, while it obviously tied in to the local culture. It was a new event, so I think future hosts would be crazy not to include something similar. I was trying to think of what Korea could do. I thought of a mini Dongdaemun Gate. That would be cool, skiers/boaders could jump over it or even go through it, and it's visually very recognizable as "Asian" so there's hometown flair. |
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Moldy Rutabaga
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea
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| Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| The Korea Times will produce scientific reports showing that not only is Korean food healthy, but even listening to songs about Korean food has been proven to lower cholesterol, reverse high blood pressure, and lower rates of criminal behavior and blatant homosexuality in foreign men. |
My guess is that Korea will do very well at strictly the basic job it needs to do: get journalists and spectators from Incheon Airport to Pyeongchang on the train, get them housed and fed, and to the games, with lots of student volunteer translators.
If visitors try to step beyond this zone and tour around Seoul / Busan / Jeju etc., then the transport / hotel / language problems may not be much better than they are in 2014. And yes, the yay-for-Korea is going to be off the dial for a while. |
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Los Angeloser
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 3:24 am Post subject: |
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| Smithington wrote: |
I think structurally the olympics will be fine (with perhaps the exception of shady 'love motel' accommodation). It's Korea's cultural elements that are going to make the news. Remember in 1988 how the Korean boxing coach jumped into the ring and assaulted the referee? Then the security guards climbed intro the ring, not to break things up, but to join in the attack. Great stuff. It'll be Korea's cultural uniqueness (ahem) that will make the games interesting.
Fun times await us.
Gusts of Popular Feeling has done an excellent look back at the 1988 Seoul Olympics. Well worth a read.
http://populargusts.blogspot.kr/search/label/Sports |
Congrats, for the best comment on this 4 page thread. I'll just add this onto the 17 reasons PyeongChang 2018 will likely be a big disappointment if 1988 has anything to do with it which it and MORE i.e. Russia/Sotnikova/Yuna/etc...probably will
http://populargusts.blogspot.kr/2013/09/the-seoul-olympics-25-years-later.html |
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