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atwood
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| The Spurs? Can they take the Heat this year(pun intended |
One three by Ray Allen was the only difference last year. And the Spurs are even better this year, will have home court advantage throughout, and have reeled off 20 wins in a row as of a few minutes ago. They've been mutilating the league for months, don't expect anything to change.  |
19, but still impressive, especially with the Red Mamba out. |
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augustine
Joined: 08 Sep 2012
Location: México
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| augustine wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| The Spurs? Can they take the Heat this year(pun intended |
One three by Ray Allen was the only difference last year. And the Spurs are even better this year, will have home court advantage throughout, and have reeled off 20 wins in a row as of a few minutes ago. They've been mutilating the league for months, don't expect anything to change. |
19, but still impressive, especially with the Red Mamba out. |
Maybe I'm from the future and was including Thursday's win in OKC. To come full circle. Guess who PM'd me last year post playoffs claiming to be a Spurs fan after watching me eat my own doo doo alone against a bunch of fair weather Miami LeBron fans? After I got the thread locked...
The green lizard himself. I'm sensing something, a future agreement, maybe? Nahh. Race War Thread 2! |
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Jongno2bucheon
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:05 am Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
| bigverne wrote: |
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| although I think the Protestant and Catholic Presidents in Korea are much more significant, given that they are foreign imports |
Christianity has been in Korea for over a century and the religion has been essentially indigenized. They are no longer seen as 'foreign imports' as you say. Moreover, Korea's acceptance of Christianity had little to do with 'open mindedness' and far more to do with a downtrodden, demoralized, poverty-stricken nation adopting the religion of the rich West.
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Two quick points.
1) so all poor countries adopt Christianity?
2) religion is no longer voluntary as you claim, but a subconscious forced conversion, therefore invalid?
I dont expect you to reply. They never do. |
Nice spin.
Two not so quick points. 1)The statement you refer to comes nowhere close to saying all poor countries adopt Christianity, but rather states the conditions under which Koreans adopted Christianity, which was not mainly attributable to tolerance.
They killed the missionaries, right?
As for 2) Koreans do often feel compelled to join some group or other, so who knows? There is a whole lot of proselytizing going on on the peninsula. |
So your opinion is that Koreans do not voluntarily join religion. They are forced to correct? Who forces Korean christians to adopt christianity then? Is it the big bad aethist President Park Geun Hye?
Oh, prostelysts FORCE Koreans to become christians. I see. May i ask, where else does this phenomenom of involuntary religious faith happen? Perhaps, lake titticocca?
So perhaps you can post a chart of the GDP of korea vs the rate of christianity. According to you it should be positively correlated correct? What happens to your theory if it is not supported then, which evidence shows it is not. |
More spin. And of course lies about what I actually posted.
As the Buddha said, the fool can always ask more questions than the wise man can answer. 
BTW, the previous president was a church member. Who knows how many people that attracted to the "faith"? |
Political movements are quite voluntary. Obviously you have to be open minded to incorporate outside religions as a means of independence. |
I don't think it's obvious at all.
Since you like questions, answer this: What if they thought that was the only way they could fight the Japanese?
Another question: As for political movements being voluntary, are you saying no one has ever been influenced by their families, employers or peers to join a political group of vote for a certain candidate? |
What if the only way for Europe and the middle east to stop warring is to accept Mongol rule?
What if the only way America can achieve racial harmony and peace is to elect an Asian American president? Or a Black president? Plenty would not want that.
The answers are the same. You have to be open minded to choose one over the alternative.
Influence is still voluntary, as long as the voting process is secret. Coercion is another matter. |
Nice derailment!
Hold that train, conductor! |
Well anyways, why dont you learn to be open minded? Remember i look like a real American who has been in America for thousands of years. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:13 am Post subject: |
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| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
| bigverne wrote: |
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| although I think the Protestant and Catholic Presidents in Korea are much more significant, given that they are foreign imports |
Christianity has been in Korea for over a century and the religion has been essentially indigenized. They are no longer seen as 'foreign imports' as you say. Moreover, Korea's acceptance of Christianity had little to do with 'open mindedness' and far more to do with a downtrodden, demoralized, poverty-stricken nation adopting the religion of the rich West.
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Two quick points.
1) so all poor countries adopt Christianity?
2) religion is no longer voluntary as you claim, but a subconscious forced conversion, therefore invalid?
I dont expect you to reply. They never do. |
Nice spin.
Two not so quick points. 1)The statement you refer to comes nowhere close to saying all poor countries adopt Christianity, but rather states the conditions under which Koreans adopted Christianity, which was not mainly attributable to tolerance.
They killed the missionaries, right?
As for 2) Koreans do often feel compelled to join some group or other, so who knows? There is a whole lot of proselytizing going on on the peninsula. |
So your opinion is that Koreans do not voluntarily join religion. They are forced to correct? Who forces Korean christians to adopt christianity then? Is it the big bad aethist President Park Geun Hye?
Oh, prostelysts FORCE Koreans to become christians. I see. May i ask, where else does this phenomenom of involuntary religious faith happen? Perhaps, lake titticocca?
So perhaps you can post a chart of the GDP of korea vs the rate of christianity. According to you it should be positively correlated correct? What happens to your theory if it is not supported then, which evidence shows it is not. |
More spin. And of course lies about what I actually posted.
As the Buddha said, the fool can always ask more questions than the wise man can answer.
BTW, the previous president was a church member. Who knows how many people that attracted to the "faith"? |
Political movements are quite voluntary. Obviously you have to be open minded to incorporate outside religions as a means of independence. |
I don't think it's obvious at all.
Since you like questions, answer this: What if they thought that was the only way they could fight the Japanese?
Another question: As for political movements being voluntary, are you saying no one has ever been influenced by their families, employers or peers to join a political group of vote for a certain candidate? |
What if the only way for Europe and the middle east to stop warring is to accept Mongol rule?
What if the only way America can achieve racial harmony and peace is to elect an Asian American president? Or a Black president? Plenty would not want that.
The answers are the same. You have to be open minded to choose one over the alternative.
Influence is still voluntary, as long as the voting process is secret. Coercion is another matter. |
Nice derailment!
Hold that train, conductor! |
Well anyways, why dont you learn to be open minded? Remember i look like a real American who has been in America for thousands of years. |
American manners dictate that I say, "You first!" |
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Jongno2bucheon
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:16 am Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
| bigverne wrote: |
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| although I think the Protestant and Catholic Presidents in Korea are much more significant, given that they are foreign imports |
Christianity has been in Korea for over a century and the religion has been essentially indigenized. They are no longer seen as 'foreign imports' as you say. Moreover, Korea's acceptance of Christianity had little to do with 'open mindedness' and far more to do with a downtrodden, demoralized, poverty-stricken nation adopting the religion of the rich West.
. |
Two quick points.
1) so all poor countries adopt Christianity?
2) religion is no longer voluntary as you claim, but a subconscious forced conversion, therefore invalid?
I dont expect you to reply. They never do. |
Nice spin.
Two not so quick points. 1)The statement you refer to comes nowhere close to saying all poor countries adopt Christianity, but rather states the conditions under which Koreans adopted Christianity, which was not mainly attributable to tolerance.
They killed the missionaries, right?
As for 2) Koreans do often feel compelled to join some group or other, so who knows? There is a whole lot of proselytizing going on on the peninsula. |
So your opinion is that Koreans do not voluntarily join religion. They are forced to correct? Who forces Korean christians to adopt christianity then? Is it the big bad aethist President Park Geun Hye?
Oh, prostelysts FORCE Koreans to become christians. I see. May i ask, where else does this phenomenom of involuntary religious faith happen? Perhaps, lake titticocca?
So perhaps you can post a chart of the GDP of korea vs the rate of christianity. According to you it should be positively correlated correct? What happens to your theory if it is not supported then, which evidence shows it is not. |
More spin. And of course lies about what I actually posted.
As the Buddha said, the fool can always ask more questions than the wise man can answer.
BTW, the previous president was a church member. Who knows how many people that attracted to the "faith"? |
Political movements are quite voluntary. Obviously you have to be open minded to incorporate outside religions as a means of independence. |
I don't think it's obvious at all.
Since you like questions, answer this: What if they thought that was the only way they could fight the Japanese?
Another question: As for political movements being voluntary, are you saying no one has ever been influenced by their families, employers or peers to join a political group of vote for a certain candidate? |
What if the only way for Europe and the middle east to stop warring is to accept Mongol rule?
What if the only way America can achieve racial harmony and peace is to elect an Asian American president? Or a Black president? Plenty would not want that.
The answers are the same. You have to be open minded to choose one over the alternative.
Influence is still voluntary, as long as the voting process is secret. Coercion is another matter. |
Nice derailment!
Hold that train, conductor! |
Well anyways, why dont you learn to be open minded? Remember i look like a real American who has been in America for thousands of years. |
American manners dictate that I say, "You first!" |
http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/arts/photos/2008/09/02/natar-ungalaaq-250.jpg
This Inuit, the Original American simply does not comprehend you, he asked me to check your temperature for illness. |
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cabeza
Joined: 29 Sep 2012
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By the way, Navajo can't converse with Mongolians. Considering they would have left ASia about 15-20,000 years ago it's not surprising. There are similarities in their languages soundwise. But it's like saying that someone speaking Sanskrit or Pali can "converse" with some dude in London nowadays. |
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Jongno2bucheon
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:53 am Post subject: |
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By the way, Navajo can't converse with Mongolians. Considering they would have left ASia about 15-20,000 years ago it's not surprising. There are similarities in their languages soundwise. But it's like saying that someone speaking Sanskrit or Pali can "converse" with some dude in London nowadays. |
Actually Navajo left Asia in the 13th century AD.
They were running away from Genghis Khan. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 1:05 am Post subject: |
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| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
| bigverne wrote: |
| Quote: |
| although I think the Protestant and Catholic Presidents in Korea are much more significant, given that they are foreign imports |
Christianity has been in Korea for over a century and the religion has been essentially indigenized. They are no longer seen as 'foreign imports' as you say. Moreover, Korea's acceptance of Christianity had little to do with 'open mindedness' and far more to do with a downtrodden, demoralized, poverty-stricken nation adopting the religion of the rich West.
. |
Two quick points.
1) so all poor countries adopt Christianity?
2) religion is no longer voluntary as you claim, but a subconscious forced conversion, therefore invalid?
I dont expect you to reply. They never do. |
Nice spin.
Two not so quick points. 1)The statement you refer to comes nowhere close to saying all poor countries adopt Christianity, but rather states the conditions under which Koreans adopted Christianity, which was not mainly attributable to tolerance.
They killed the missionaries, right?
As for 2) Koreans do often feel compelled to join some group or other, so who knows? There is a whole lot of proselytizing going on on the peninsula. |
So your opinion is that Koreans do not voluntarily join religion. They are forced to correct? Who forces Korean christians to adopt christianity then? Is it the big bad aethist President Park Geun Hye?
Oh, prostelysts FORCE Koreans to become christians. I see. May i ask, where else does this phenomenom of involuntary religious faith happen? Perhaps, lake titticocca?
So perhaps you can post a chart of the GDP of korea vs the rate of christianity. According to you it should be positively correlated correct? What happens to your theory if it is not supported then, which evidence shows it is not. |
More spin. And of course lies about what I actually posted.
As the Buddha said, the fool can always ask more questions than the wise man can answer.
BTW, the previous president was a church member. Who knows how many people that attracted to the "faith"? |
Political movements are quite voluntary. Obviously you have to be open minded to incorporate outside religions as a means of independence. |
I don't think it's obvious at all.
Since you like questions, answer this: What if they thought that was the only way they could fight the Japanese?
Another question: As for political movements being voluntary, are you saying no one has ever been influenced by their families, employers or peers to join a political group of vote for a certain candidate? |
What if the only way for Europe and the middle east to stop warring is to accept Mongol rule?
What if the only way America can achieve racial harmony and peace is to elect an Asian American president? Or a Black president? Plenty would not want that.
The answers are the same. You have to be open minded to choose one over the alternative.
Influence is still voluntary, as long as the voting process is secret. Coercion is another matter. |
Nice derailment!
Hold that train, conductor! |
Well anyways, why dont you learn to be open minded? Remember i look like a real American who has been in America for thousands of years. |
American manners dictate that I say, "You first!" |
http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/arts/photos/2008/09/02/natar-ungalaaq-250.jpg
This Inuit, the Original American simply does not comprehend you, he asked me to check your temperature for illness. |
Must be a problem with his smartphone. Tell him to upgrade from his Galaxy to an iPhone and then he'll have no problem receiving me. |
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cabeza
Joined: 29 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
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By the way, Navajo can't converse with Mongolians. Considering they would have left ASia about 15-20,000 years ago it's not surprising. There are similarities in their languages soundwise. But it's like saying that someone speaking Sanskrit or Pali can "converse" with some dude in London nowadays. |
Actually Navajo left Asia in the 13th century AD.
They were running away from Genghis Khan. |
Riggggght.
Troll? Or some sort of cognitive impairment? |
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Jongno2bucheon
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 1:21 am Post subject: |
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| cabeza wrote: |
| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
| cabeza wrote: |
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By the way, Navajo can't converse with Mongolians. Considering they would have left ASia about 15-20,000 years ago it's not surprising. There are similarities in their languages soundwise. But it's like saying that someone speaking Sanskrit or Pali can "converse" with some dude in London nowadays. |
Actually Navajo left Asia in the 13th century AD.
They were running away from Genghis Khan. |
Riggggght.
Troll? Or some sort of cognitive impairment? |
http://www.gavinmenzies.net/Evidence/19-dna-evidence-of-navajo-people-and-apache-people/
All you had to do was ask for a link. |
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cabeza
Joined: 29 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 1:31 am Post subject: |
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You are really going to post a Gavin Menzies link? Come on. Didn't the Atlantis articles tip you off?
There is a reason why he has no support from any other academics. And it's not jealousy.
Some of the claims he makes have some truth, or least a seed of truth, but he uses them as spring boards were jumps to ludicrous conclusions.
There is no physical evidence that the Navajo escaped to the US in the 13th century. And the link tells me what I already suspected, you have no idea what you are talking about. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 1:32 am Post subject: |
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| The fact that this Gavin Menzies fellow is trying to sell his Sinocentric rewriting of history alongside "The Lost Empire of Atlantis" is a pretty good indicator that he's someone we need to take with the utmost seriousness. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 1:33 am Post subject: |
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| I see Cabeza's snark outraced my own by a full minute. Clearly my game is slipping. |
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Jongno2bucheon
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 1:35 am Post subject: |
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You are really going to post a Gavin Menzies link? Come on. Didn't the Atlantis articles tip you off?
There is a reason why he has no support from any other academics. And it's not jealousy.
Some of the claims he makes have some truth, or least a seed of truth, but he uses them as spring boards were jumps to ludicrous conclusions.
There is no physical evidence that the Navajo escaped to the US in the 13th century. And the link tells me what I already suspected, you have no idea what you are talking about. |
Ah. Ethel G Stewart and other academics support that theory.
http://www.amazon.com/Dene-Na-Dene-Indian-Migrations-1233/dp/1880820013/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1396517696&sr=1-1
Occams razor~
Anthropology is inclusive of oral history as well~ now her findings are backed by genetic evidence. She was right all along! |
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Jongno2bucheon
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 1:40 am Post subject: |
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You guys need to go out and have a pow wow, i mean a soju with your fellow Navajo, i mean Koreans.
Gosh, flashbacks... Its really them... |
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