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Voyager2



Joined: 24 Apr 2013

PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:01 pm    Post subject: Age Reply with quote

Can I ask, in general teaching terms within the country, to what approximate age can one reasonably expect to be able to find a position?

Id be getting myself to Seoul in August, wouldn't be looking at government school placements, and would seek relocation to a smaller city/town. Have a BA EC and am nearing the end of a contract in south east Asia. Have a decade or so working years remaining.

I know this has no doubt been broached many times, I'm just unable to search at present using 'age' as a keyword. Thanks in advance.
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Nester Noodlemon



Joined: 16 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Age Reply with quote

Voyager2 wrote:
Can I ask, in general teaching terms within the country, to what approximate age can one reasonably expect to be able to find a position?

Id be getting myself to Seoul in August, wouldn't be looking at government school placements, and would seek relocation to a smaller city/town. Have a BA EC and am nearing the end of a contract in south east Asia. Have a decade or so working years remaining.

I know this has no doubt been broached many times, I'm just unable to search at present using 'age' as a keyword. Thanks in advance.


22 years old as a reasonable guesstimation. Any younger than that and parents may not think you are responsible enough to be teaching their children.
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The teaching market in Korea is becoming over saturated. Age discrimination is real. It is hard for an older man to find work. If you are looking to get hired from abroad it's going to be tough (unless you have a really good skill set, but even then it won't be easy). BUT you said you want to live in a rural area (or at least away from Seoul)? Those positions are less desirable to most, so if that's where you want to live, you have a decent shot of getting one. Send out your resume; email a lot of people. Good luck.

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Voyager2



Joined: 24 Apr 2013

PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks vmuch NN. Sorry I wasn't clear, apologies, I'm at the other end of the spectrum fifty.
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Voyager2



Joined: 24 Apr 2013

PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many thanks for your insights, appreciated WT, yes if i decided to fly, I'd be getting myself to the capital first.
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Nester Noodlemon



Joined: 16 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Voyager2 wrote:
Thanks vmuch NN. Sorry I wasn't clear, apologies, I'm at the other end of the spectrum fifty.


Fifty is pushing it a little. A really good photo goes a long, long way.
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Voyager2



Joined: 24 Apr 2013

PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks NN, I know, but Ive held up quite well;)! I did call through and see a recommended agency in Seoul 12 months ago, so perhaps I'll touch base with them again, regards
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Nester Noodlemon



Joined: 16 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Voyager2 wrote:
Thanks NN, I know, but Ive held up quite well;)! I did call through and see a recommended agency in Seoul 12 months ago, so perhaps I'll touch base with them again, regards


If you don't mind working in the countryside, you can probably find a job much easier.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

- 50ish years old...
- have experience in EFL in real classroom settings.
- have the required paperwork in hand (home country cbc with apostille and degree COPY with apostille.

The market is more competitive but it is NOT impossible for older males to crack.

Make sure you attach photos of you in classroom settings with smiling kids to the back end of your resume. It WILL make a difference when it comes to selling your resume to some hagwon as an "English teacher".

Leave the Thornbury books back wherever you are. If you drag out your well worn, dog eared version of a grammar book you can pretty much kiss your job goodbye.

Catch up on CLIL, CBT/CBL, and CLT/CLL. They will become your friends when it comes to gaining and keeping your job.

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Voyager2



Joined: 24 Apr 2013

PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nester thanks, yes the countryside would be fine with me. Spent some months in Korea last year. Rgds
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le-paul



Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre

PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nester Noodlemon wrote:
Voyager2 wrote:
Thanks vmuch NN. Sorry I wasn't clear, apologies, I'm at the other end of the spectrum fifty.


Fifty is pushing it a little. A really good photo goes a long, long way.


+1

Ive just turned 40 (41 in korean). Im actually older than my current boss!

When I sent out my C.V., I hid my dob down the bottom with other information like being single etc. At the top I put name/location/visa info. to distract them.
I put the nice picture at the top too.

It seemed to work and I got plenty of responses from recruiters.

Ive also found dressing well (fashionably) and doing something with my hair helps me look a lot younger than I am.

Youve got to remember, life is a game and youve got to know the rules - in this case people are superficial and you have to present yourself accordingly (especially when marketing yourself against a 25 y.o. blonde).
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Voyager2



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you TTP, noted with thanks. You were kind enough to pass on some thoughts twelve months ago and I'm grateful for them again today. Have also spent some time developing a good online portfolio with some positive student eval comments within. Perhaps I'll give it a go. Rgds

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Voyager2



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LP thanks, if only I had enough hair to do anything with...
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Troglodyte



Joined: 06 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say that appearance is more important than actual age. If you have a full head of hair (even if it's grey) and you don't have a ponch then you shouldn't have too bad of a time. If you're searching while your actually in Korea then you'll likely have a better chance than a 25 year old who's applying from abroad. Like others said, make sure you have some good photos. If you have to, have a friend snap some photos of you and a class fo little kids in the classroom. As far as outfits, go for a businessman look or possibly casual business (without a jacket and tie). If you can pull off the George Clooney look, you should be ok.

If you actually WANT to find a job out in the countryside then go for it. If you prefer the city then tell recruiters that you want a city job. The largest number of recruiters are based in Seoul, followed by Busan. Most recruiters will have job offers from their own city just because their reputations spread by word of mouth. If you tell them that you're willing to work anywhere then they'll send you to the worst job they have because they know that they can fill the good jobs easily enough. Aiming for the undesirable jobs also means that you start from low position in negotiating salary and other job benefits. You'd be best off telling them that you want to work in Seoul (or one of it's satellite cities on the subway lines) but that you'd consider a rural job if the pay was better or you got more paid holidays. Aim high so that you have a position to negotiate from.
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Troglodyte



Joined: 06 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Voyager2 wrote:
LP thanks, if only I had enough hair to do anything with...


In that case I would recommend that you cut the rest of your hair really short and play the "I don't like messy hair" role. Definitely don't do a comb over.
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