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optik404
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| VP of the school hung himself. He was also on the boat. |
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le-paul
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:21 am Post subject: |
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| optik404 wrote: |
| VP of the school hung himself. He was also on the boat. |
Youre kidding? |
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schwa
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jvalmer
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Just this morning a few of the K-teachers in my school were saying they hoped the VP hung himself for being one of the first off the boat. I doubt my CT's will have much sympathy for the guy... |
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What the Book
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:58 am Post subject: |
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On the other hand and Steelrails about the captain being "the last to leave a/the ship:"
As I heard it, the ship must be under the captain's control at all times; the captain is supposed to be the first on the ship and the last off. This does not mean that the captain is expected to go down with the ship, but he or she should definitely be coordinating the evacuation of the passengers and the crew until it becomes unsafe or impossible to do so.
( However, the captain's conduct in this incident makes me think that the saying about rats leaving a sinking ship is absolutely true.  ) |
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Sector7G
Joined: 24 May 2008
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 6:39 am Post subject: |
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| Confucianism at its finest. Rule #1 Always obey, Rule #2 Never question authority |
C'mon, most schoolkids will do as their teachers and adults order them. That goes for any country on earth. The passengers were mostly kids. Sadly. |
Actually, I think even most adult passengers would feel this way, maybe not so much the "questioning authority" part, but at least being inclined to believe that the "professionals" in charge know what they are doing. But sometimes otherwise competent people incorrectly assess how dire the situation really is -like the Asiana pilot who instructed the passengers to remain seated even as a fire was raging. |
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Rteacher
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Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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| It's horribly sad and tragic ... Hopefully, the departed go to a better place and their loved ones overcome their sorrow. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 4:54 am Post subject: |
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| What the Book wrote: |
On the other hand and Steelrails about the captain being "the last to leave a/the ship:"
As I heard it, the ship must be under the captain's control at all times; the captain is supposed to be the first on the ship and the last off. This does not mean that the captain is expected to go down with the ship, but he or she should definitely be coordinating the evacuation of the passengers and the crew until it becomes unsafe or impossible to do so.
( However, the captain's conduct in this incident makes me think that the saying about rats leaving a sinking ship is absolutely true. ) |
Where did I disagree with that?
I don't expect the captain to stay if all the passengers had been evacuated except those who are listed as being in a flooded area or say, the crew who were working in the engine room when a boiler exploded. In all likelihood, such people are dead and asking the captain to go down with the ship is a overly-dramatic naval mythology. Clearly though, this was a case where the captain should have stayed far longer. |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:10 am Post subject: |
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The captain looks like he will spend a lot of time in jail and that is what he seems to deserve for his actions.
The VP of the school who hanged himself, well I can understand why he would do that. the VP was rescued and from what I read he did not flee. He assumed kids were being rescued too.
One teacher managed to get some of her students out but died in the process.
This is a horrible tragedy. |
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maximmm
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 7:16 am Post subject: |
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Despite all that, foreigners are still being ferried to Dokdo because... it's important.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2014/04/251_155727.html
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DOKDO —The field trip to Korea’s easternmost islets, Dokdo, can be challenging, to say the least.
A trip starting in Seoul means traveling down to the port city of Donghae, Gangwon Province, taking a ferry to Ulleung Island in North Gyeongsang Province and then another two and half hours on a boat to Dokdo, also in the province. Foreign students on the journey were half excited and half worried, following the tragic sinking of the ferry Sewol.
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On the other hand
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Despite all that, foreigners are still being ferried to Dokdo because... it's important.
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I don't think that can be held up as an example of nationalism run amuck, unless ferries have been cancelled everywhere else except Dokdo.
And I can't imagine that they are cancelling ferry trips in general. We don't ground airline flights after a bad plane crash. |
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Steelrails
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Despite all that, foreigners are still being ferried to Dokdo because... it's important.
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I don't think that can be held up as an example of nationalism run amuck, unless ferries have been cancelled everywhere else except Dokdo.
And I can't imagine that they are cancelling ferry trips in general. We don't ground airline flights after a bad plane crash. |
Quiet you with your logic and critical thinking. |
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maximmm
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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Despite all that, foreigners are still being ferried to Dokdo because... it's important.
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I don't think that can be held up as an example of nationalism run amuck, unless ferries have been cancelled everywhere else except Dokdo.
And I can't imagine that they are cancelling ferry trips in general. We don't ground airline flights after a bad plane crash. |
Well... Gyonggi office of education did cancel further student trips for the time being.
I should also say that you may have misinterpreted my initial post. As a spokesperson for the apologist brotherhood, I am thrilled by the numerous government-sponsored Dokdo trips designed to teach foreigners the Truth about Dokdo and the East Sea. That and the many billboard and full page advertisements in the west/western newspapers. The Truth will prevail!
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:15 am Post subject: |
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Well, yeah, but it isn't the Gyonggi Office Of Education that makes the decisions about sending ferries to Dokdo.
I will ackonwledge that the Gyonggi office is behaving a little irrationally in banning ferry trips in response to this, when everyone else seems to have no problems with them. Likely, it's a p.r. move, to cure any bad "optics" about kids from Gyonggi taking more ferry trips at this particular time.
And, not to keep on in mono-apologist mode, but we make the same sort of irrational responses in the west. Remember when some airlines were banning metal knives in the weeks following 9/11. A couple of years later, metal knives were back.
Either the airlines got a memo from Al Qaeda saying "We now have a no-knives policy, and you can hold us to that!", or the original ban wasn't based on anything but optics. |
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Underwaterbob
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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Optics?
Like the science of the behavior of light commonly regarded as having been invented by Isaac Newton? |
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