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Weigookin74
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 Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: Korean prejudice against intermarriage |
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[. Gotta love the irony though; invite a bunch of foreigners to work in the country and then get mad at them for dating the locals.
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It's a fairly safe bet that the people doing the inviting (Education Ministry) aren't the ones who get mad at us for dating locals. |
You sure about that?
I worked for them once and I've never seen a more conservative, insecure group of people in all my life. Even by Korean standards they were bad. They had cameras outside the teachers apartments and would keep all sorts of records. They knew who was bringing back girls, who had a steady girl, etc. and yes, it affected their attitude and rehiring behavior. Believe it or not. |
When was this and in what capacity was it?
As for the article itself, that was a long time ago. Even in 2008, some of this racism was there. But something has changed over the last 3 or so years. Seems many don't care anymore. I can even talk to women teachers at my schools nowadays without the c -blocking and dirty looks like I use to get and the hatred I use to feel when I first came here last decade. Not sure if it's just me. Maybe other folks have different views or recent experiences. |
This was about two years ago, and I guarantee little has changed there. It wasn't just the cameras they'd use for information, but they'd also use the gyopos in the office and pump them for personal info on everyone in the office. Only reason we found out was because one gyopo was quitting and told as all the details. There also was A LOT of made up rumors about the foreigners from random office workers who knew nothing. Management cared more about private lives than work performance, and that's been true of a few jobs I've been at here... as well as gyopos being used for inside info, etc.
They may not want to appear to be making a big stink about foreigners dating locals, but many still do not like it and it's still a rarity and not mainstream at all. I think in the modern world they are finally getting it that it's rude to stare and yell stuff, but as for how they truly feel, that's more up in the air. |
I found when I first got here, a lot of schools (only public) would c block galore and put lots of social pressure on the single attractive women to avoid me. I only found this out later. You could cut the tension at some of these schools with a knife.
Nowadays, schools often want to set me up or tell me when a woman is single. Koreans do tell me I'm handsome so that might make some difference. Whenever I say hello to a woman teacher many are always smiley and happy and talk to me. It's a completely different vibe from before. During the depths of the recession when foriegners were getting non renewed, I focused on debt and not inter office dating, I noticed that things had begun to change. Many Koreans are always wanting to set me up and not with the ungly unmarriagable type either which did happen long ago which I wasn't being c blocked.
Maybe everyone's experiences are different. But, I personally sense the country being much friendlier in 2013 and 2014 than back in say 2006 to 2009. Other vets can chime in if they wish. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 5:07 pm Post subject: Re: Korean prejudice against intermarriage |
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I found when I first got here, a lot of schools (only public) would c block galore and put lots of social pressure on the single attractive women to avoid me. I only found this out later. You could cut the tension at some of these schools with a knife.
Nowadays, schools often want to set me up or tell me when a woman is single. Koreans do tell me I'm handsome so that might make some difference. Whenever I say hello to a woman teacher many are always smiley and happy and talk to me. It's a completely different vibe from before. During the depths of the recession when foriegners were getting non renewed, I focused on debt and not inter office dating, I noticed that things had begun to change. Many Koreans are always wanting to set me up and not with the ungly unmarriagable type either which did happen long ago which I wasn't being c blocked.
Maybe everyone's experiences are different. But, I personally sense the country being much friendlier in 2013 and 2014 than back in say 2006 to 2009. Other vets can chime in if they wish. |
I'm not sure how much is a foreign thing. I'm sure that might be an element, but from what I understand, dating amongst teachers at the same school was somewhat taboo (not that that stopped them), but that recently its no longer much of an issue. All the Korean couples at my old school had to keep their relationships under wraps until about 2011~12 when our principal basically told them "What, do you think I'm dumb? I know you've been dating and who cares? Have fun, just don't turn the place into a soap opera." From what I understand there used to be active discouragement as well, though this probably faded for them sooner than foreigners. |
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ghostrider
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| After finding out avg salaries at some chaebols are 100k, whereas many english teachers make 2k a month... The words here mean less and less,,, |
Over 500,000 Koreans graduate from university each year, but there are fewer than 100,000 job openings at the chaebols each year. English teachers still do pretty well compared to a large percentage of the population here. |
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happiness
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If you want to marry and she does, the others can eat a phallus. Man up, you know?
If her parents disapprove (or yours), thats different.
But is your life at the discretion of others, esp you dont know?
This country CAN be a pile of spitting/backbiting/jealousy sometimes, but that has naught with me. Just dont spit on my shoes, or..well..youll be sorry, thats all. |
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r2b2ct
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| I see a lot of similarities in style between how blacks are viewed in the US and how foreigners are viewed in Korea. Horny, criminal, animalistic, women who date them are whores, etc. One striking difference is the fact that this kind of bigotry is usually rebuked less often here due to the smaller PC culture. |
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Jongno2bucheon
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| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
| After finding out avg salaries at some chaebols are 100k, whereas many english teachers make 2k a month... The words here mean less and less,,, |
Over 500,000 Koreans graduate from university each year, but there are fewer than 100,000 job openings at the chaebols each year. English teachers still do pretty well compared to a large percentage of the population here. |
Contract positions are supposed to make about 20%+ more than stable full time 정규직 jobs because of the instability risk.
The extra money is supposed to make up for the contract instability risk. I just want for you guys what Koreans on contract expect (at least if not achieving)
But these full tim 2 mill contract jobs... Dont migrant workers doing 3D jobs make only a little less. Good gawd |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:10 am Post subject: |
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| But these full tim 2 mill contract jobs... Dont migrant workers doing 3D jobs make only a little less. Good gawd |
Most of those migrant 3D workers earn maybe 1 mil a month, if they are lucky enough to get paid regularly. I know a few. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: Korean prejudice against intermarriage |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Mix1 wrote: |
| Weigookin74 wrote: |
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[. Gotta love the irony though; invite a bunch of foreigners to work in the country and then get mad at them for dating the locals.
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It's a fairly safe bet that the people doing the inviting (Education Ministry) aren't the ones who get mad at us for dating locals. |
You sure about that?
I worked for them once and I've never seen a more conservative, insecure group of people in all my life. Even by Korean standards they were bad. They had cameras outside the teachers apartments and would keep all sorts of records. They knew who was bringing back girls, who had a steady girl, etc. and yes, it affected their attitude and rehiring behavior. Believe it or not. |
When was this and in what capacity was it?
As for the article itself, that was a long time ago. Even in 2008, some of this racism was there. But something has changed over the last 3 or so years. Seems many don't care anymore. I can even talk to women teachers at my schools nowadays without the c -blocking and dirty looks like I use to get and the hatred I use to feel when I first came here last decade. Not sure if it's just me. Maybe other folks have different views or recent experiences. |
This was about two years ago, and I guarantee little has changed there. It wasn't just the cameras they'd use for information, but they'd also use the gyopos in the office and pump them for personal info on everyone in the office. Only reason we found out was because one gyopo was quitting and told as all the details. There also was A LOT of made up rumors about the foreigners from random office workers who knew nothing. Management cared more about private lives than work performance, and that's been true of a few jobs I've been at here... as well as gyopos being used for inside info, etc.
They may not want to appear to be making a big stink about foreigners dating locals, but many still do not like it and it's still a rarity and not mainstream at all. I think in the modern world they are finally getting it that it's rude to stare and yell stuff, but as for how they truly feel, that's more up in the air. |
I found when I first got here, a lot of schools (only public) would c block galore and put lots of social pressure on the single attractive women to avoid me. I only found this out later. You could cut the tension at some of these schools with a knife.
Nowadays, schools often want to set me up or tell me when a woman is single. Koreans do tell me I'm handsome so that might make some difference. Whenever I say hello to a woman teacher many are always smiley and happy and talk to me. It's a completely different vibe from before. During the depths of the recession when foriegners were getting non renewed, I focused on debt and not inter office dating, I noticed that things had begun to change. Many Koreans are always wanting to set me up and not with the ungly unmarriagable type either which did happen long ago which I wasn't being c blocked.
Maybe everyone's experiences are different. But, I personally sense the country being much friendlier in 2013 and 2014 than back in say 2006 to 2009.
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Maybe. This place (government institution) was quite conservative though, and you could cut the tension in the place with a knife. It was run by a bunch of old schoolers and that may have helped set the tone. The cafeteria was particularly interesting; full on segregation and avoidance, dirty looks, whispering, etc. Not the best eating environment.
There were plenty of attractive women working there too, who would sometimes glance at you, but quickly look down. It was pretty clear they were not supposed to be talking to the foreigners and if they did, it would be a scandal.
Overall, the people there were extremely rude to the point where it was obvious some serious rumors were flying around about the foreigners. This sucked because we kept out of trouble, dressed well, were polite, and did our best not to make any problems, ...but the tone was already set. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| I see a lot of similarities in style between how blacks are viewed in the US and how foreigners are viewed in Korea. Horny, criminal, animalistic, women who date them are whores, etc. One striking difference is the fact that this kind of bigotry is usually rebuked less often here due to the smaller PC culture. |
Oh please. People here are far more generous and kind to say, NETs here as well. And there is a tremendous legacy of racism in the US that still clings. At least Koreans are educated enough to not regard Obama as a Muslim or demand that he show his birth certificate. |
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r2b2ct
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 4:43 am Post subject: |
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| r2b2ct wrote: |
| I see a lot of similarities in style between how blacks are viewed in the US and how foreigners are viewed in Korea. Horny, criminal, animalistic, women who date them are whores, etc. One striking difference is the fact that this kind of bigotry is usually rebuked less often here due to the smaller PC culture. |
Oh please. People here are far more generous and kind to say, NETs here as well. And there is a tremendous legacy of racism in the US that still clings. At least Koreans are educated enough to not regard Obama as a Muslim or demand that he show his birth certificate. |
They certainly aren't above comparing him to a monkey. I'm not sure what is the point of this comment, anyway. Obama isn't a foreigner in Korea. Seems like you just want to elevate Korea without addressing my actual post.
I don't think that blacks in the US and foreigners in Korea share the same experience. I think that the style of bigotry is similar in some ways with regard to interracial dating/marriage and in some cases negative attitudes in general.
There are also different kinds of foreigners. I think white native english speakers are treated better overall in Korea than blacks in the states. I think some of the others are probably treated worse than blacks in the states. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: Korean prejudice against intermarriage |
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| Mix1 wrote: |
| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Mix1 wrote: |
| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Mix1 wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Mix1 wrote: |
[. Gotta love the irony though; invite a bunch of foreigners to work in the country and then get mad at them for dating the locals.
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It's a fairly safe bet that the people doing the inviting (Education Ministry) aren't the ones who get mad at us for dating locals. |
You sure about that?
I worked for them once and I've never seen a more conservative, insecure group of people in all my life. Even by Korean standards they were bad. They had cameras outside the teachers apartments and would keep all sorts of records. They knew who was bringing back girls, who had a steady girl, etc. and yes, it affected their attitude and rehiring behavior. Believe it or not. |
When was this and in what capacity was it?
As for the article itself, that was a long time ago. Even in 2008, some of this racism was there. But something has changed over the last 3 or so years. Seems many don't care anymore. I can even talk to women teachers at my schools nowadays without the c -blocking and dirty looks like I use to get and the hatred I use to feel when I first came here last decade. Not sure if it's just me. Maybe other folks have different views or recent experiences. |
This was about two years ago, and I guarantee little has changed there. It wasn't just the cameras they'd use for information, but they'd also use the gyopos in the office and pump them for personal info on everyone in the office. Only reason we found out was because one gyopo was quitting and told as all the details. There also was A LOT of made up rumors about the foreigners from random office workers who knew nothing. Management cared more about private lives than work performance, and that's been true of a few jobs I've been at here... as well as gyopos being used for inside info, etc.
They may not want to appear to be making a big stink about foreigners dating locals, but many still do not like it and it's still a rarity and not mainstream at all. I think in the modern world they are finally getting it that it's rude to stare and yell stuff, but as for how they truly feel, that's more up in the air. |
I found when I first got here, a lot of schools (only public) would c block galore and put lots of social pressure on the single attractive women to avoid me. I only found this out later. You could cut the tension at some of these schools with a knife.
Nowadays, schools often want to set me up or tell me when a woman is single. Koreans do tell me I'm handsome so that might make some difference. Whenever I say hello to a woman teacher many are always smiley and happy and talk to me. It's a completely different vibe from before. During the depths of the recession when foriegners were getting non renewed, I focused on debt and not inter office dating, I noticed that things had begun to change. Many Koreans are always wanting to set me up and not with the ungly unmarriagable type either which did happen long ago which I wasn't being c blocked.
Maybe everyone's experiences are different. But, I personally sense the country being much friendlier in 2013 and 2014 than back in say 2006 to 2009.
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Maybe. This place (government institution) was quite conservative though, and you could cut the tension in the place with a knife. It was run by a bunch of old schoolers and that may have helped set the tone. The cafeteria was particularly interesting; full on segregation and avoidance, dirty looks, whispering, etc. Not the best eating environment.
There were plenty of attractive women working there too, who would sometimes glance at you, but quickly look down. It was pretty clear they were not supposed to be talking to the foreigners and if they did, it would be a scandal.
Overall, the people there were extremely rude to the point where it was obvious some serious rumors were flying around about the foreigners. This sucked because we kept out of trouble, dressed well, were polite, and did our best not to make any problems, ...but the tone was already set. |
Was this a government office or a private company and has it been recently? If so, be a d!(k and go sit next to all of them and chat them up. Be smiley and outgoing. Make sure to wave "hi" everytime you see them. Piss the old ajossis off. I started doing that after a while. When I normally would have only chatted sporadically, it p!$$ed me off so bad, I started deliberately chatting to ladies in the workplace even if I normally wouldn't have been that interested. Keep burying yourself under the skin of those C blockers.
Fortunately, the schools seemed to have chilled the eff out in recent years. |
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EZE
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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| At least Koreans are educated enough to not regard Obama as a Muslim or demand that he show his birth certificate. |
They certainly aren't above comparing him to a monkey. |
That's his point. Educated people know monkeys don't carry birth certificates or go to mosque.
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| There are also different kinds of foreigners. I think white native english speakers are treated better overall in Korea than blacks in the states. I think some of the others are probably treated worse than blacks in the states. |
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Mix1
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:49 am Post subject: Re: Korean prejudice against intermarriage |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Mix1 wrote: |
| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Mix1 wrote: |
| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Mix1 wrote: |
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[. Gotta love the irony though; invite a bunch of foreigners to work in the country and then get mad at them for dating the locals.
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It's a fairly safe bet that the people doing the inviting (Education Ministry) aren't the ones who get mad at us for dating locals. |
You sure about that?
I worked for them once and I've never seen a more conservative, insecure group of people in all my life. Even by Korean standards they were bad. They had cameras outside the teachers apartments and would keep all sorts of records. They knew who was bringing back girls, who had a steady girl, etc. and yes, it affected their attitude and rehiring behavior. Believe it or not. |
When was this and in what capacity was it?
As for the article itself, that was a long time ago. Even in 2008, some of this racism was there. But something has changed over the last 3 or so years. Seems many don't care anymore. I can even talk to women teachers at my schools nowadays without the c -blocking and dirty looks like I use to get and the hatred I use to feel when I first came here last decade. Not sure if it's just me. Maybe other folks have different views or recent experiences. |
This was about two years ago, and I guarantee little has changed there. It wasn't just the cameras they'd use for information, but they'd also use the gyopos in the office and pump them for personal info on everyone in the office. Only reason we found out was because one gyopo was quitting and told as all the details. There also was A LOT of made up rumors about the foreigners from random office workers who knew nothing. Management cared more about private lives than work performance, and that's been true of a few jobs I've been at here... as well as gyopos being used for inside info, etc.
They may not want to appear to be making a big stink about foreigners dating locals, but many still do not like it and it's still a rarity and not mainstream at all. I think in the modern world they are finally getting it that it's rude to stare and yell stuff, but as for how they truly feel, that's more up in the air. |
I found when I first got here, a lot of schools (only public) would c block galore and put lots of social pressure on the single attractive women to avoid me. I only found this out later. You could cut the tension at some of these schools with a knife.
Nowadays, schools often want to set me up or tell me when a woman is single. Koreans do tell me I'm handsome so that might make some difference. Whenever I say hello to a woman teacher many are always smiley and happy and talk to me. It's a completely different vibe from before. During the depths of the recession when foriegners were getting non renewed, I focused on debt and not inter office dating, I noticed that things had begun to change. Many Koreans are always wanting to set me up and not with the ungly unmarriagable type either which did happen long ago which I wasn't being c blocked.
Maybe everyone's experiences are different. But, I personally sense the country being much friendlier in 2013 and 2014 than back in say 2006 to 2009.
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Maybe. This place (government institution) was quite conservative though, and you could cut the tension in the place with a knife. It was run by a bunch of old schoolers and that may have helped set the tone. The cafeteria was particularly interesting; full on segregation and avoidance, dirty looks, whispering, etc. Not the best eating environment.
There were plenty of attractive women working there too, who would sometimes glance at you, but quickly look down. It was pretty clear they were not supposed to be talking to the foreigners and if they did, it would be a scandal.
Overall, the people there were extremely rude to the point where it was obvious some serious rumors were flying around about the foreigners. This sucked because we kept out of trouble, dressed well, were polite, and did our best not to make any problems, ...but the tone was already set. |
Was this a government office or a private company and has it been recently? If so, be a d!(k and go sit next to all of them and chat them up. Be smiley and outgoing. Make sure to wave "hi" everytime you see them. Piss the old ajossis off. I started doing that after a while. When I normally would have only chatted sporadically, it p!$$ed me off so bad, I started deliberately chatting to ladies in the workplace even if I normally wouldn't have been that interested. Keep burying yourself under the skin of those C blockers.
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It was government and fairly recently.
That's funny, we did try to integrate and be as friendly as possible, but to little effect. It was a very weird place. Think of high school clicks x100. Everyone had their table and that was that. And they were NOT friendly. It was fun to move our seats around occasionally just to watch the whole place play musical chairs around us.
It wasn't a total Kok-block: there was one secretary who was game to interact and didn't give a damn about public opinion, but she was the exception. There was also another assistant who was FIRED for being too friendly to the foreigners, and told us that exact reason afterwards. Another factor was that she was just smarter and more capable than any of her supervisors. Anyway, a devilish lot there. Good job, horrible environment. |
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Mix1
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:58 am Post subject: |
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I don't think that blacks in the US and foreigners in Korea share the same experience. I think that the style of bigotry is similar in some ways with regard to interracial dating/marriage and in some cases negative attitudes in general.
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Exactly.
You can feel bigotry. It's there sometimes and it sucks and can be discussed.
That's NOT the same as saying it's the "same" discrimination as blacks in the US or even Asians in the US. But seems some have to bring the comparison in like it's some sort of sympathy battle. It's just noting some potential particular similarities while not saying it's the SAME in degree or type. But some on here have trouble with subtlety or making distinctions. |
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Steelrails
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I don't think that blacks in the US and foreigners in Korea share the same experience. I think that the style of bigotry is similar in some ways with regard to interracial dating/marriage and in some cases negative attitudes in general.
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Exactly.
You can feel bigotry. It's there sometimes and it sucks and can be discussed.
That's NOT the same as saying it's the "same" discrimination as blacks in the US or even Asians in the US. But seems some have to bring the comparison in like it's some sort of sympathy battle. It's just noting some potential particular similarities while not saying it's the SAME in degree or type. But some on here have trouble with subtlety or making distinctions. |
Yeah, the people who refer to Koreans as "peasants in suits" or a "bunch of bigots" or "Korean culture is this or that". Chief among those is having trouble making the distinction between a bad individual and blaming an entire culture. |
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