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OECD Report: Koreans Best In Creative Problem Solving
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ghostrider



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:36 am    Post subject: OECD Report: Koreans Best In Creative Problem Solving Reply with quote

"01/04/2014 - Students from Singapore and Korea have performed best in the OECD PISA first assessment of creative problem-solving. Students in these countries are quick learners, highly inquisitive and able to solve unstructured problems in unfamiliar contexts.

"85,000 students from 44 countries and economies took the computer-based test, involving real-life scenarios to measure the skills young people will use when faced with everyday problems, such as setting a thermostat or finding the quickest route to a destination."
http://www.oecd.org/education/singapore-and-korea-top-first-oecd-pisa-problem-solving-test.htm

It may be true, but in a hierarchical culture creative problem solvers learn to keep quiet and do what they are told unless they are in a position of authority.
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amo_jh



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No way! Surely those at OECD must've been bribed and high on soju because Koreans have 0 creative thinking skills. Korean students only learn by remote memorization and they actually have zero understanding of any scientific principles, whereas western students excel in anything and everything creative but some can't do 10x12 in their head and need a calculator.
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Rockhard



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a common assumption but no one has any proof that it's actually true.

Perhaps we just seem more innovative because we have had this huge head start in economic development and an enormous population of 700 million (USA, Canada, Western Europe). There was bound to be some geniuses emerge out of that.

But take a random selection of Korean kids and pit them against a random selection of American kids and I feel bad for the American kids because they will get butt-hurt in any mental challenge.
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radcon



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rockhard wrote:


But take a random selection of Korean kids and pit them against a random selection of American kids and I feel bad for the American kids because they will get butt-hurt in any mental challenge.


The American kids won't feel bad because no matter the outcome their parents and teachers will give them trophies and tell them how great and special they are.
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Weigookin74



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was surprised to read the story. Knew of some engineers from Geoje and all the companies down there had to bring in foreign engineers because the Korean ones lacked creativity. Much of the economy here has been built not on originality but on copying,

I believe there is creativity but rote memorization, always obeying your ajossi, and not doing anything that upstages your ajossi or makes him lose face tend to nip it in the bud.
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Who's Your Daddy?



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope some creative ones go into architecture.
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wanderkind



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rockhard wrote:
That's a common assumption but no one has any proof that it's actually true.


Anecdotally, my evidence is in "Make your own invention" activities. Kids have to come up with an invention, carte blanche, let your imagination run wild. EVERY TIME 95% of the kids copied the example off the wall, and MAYBE changed one thing (rocket boots becomes blue fire rocket boots or something).

But then one kid would come up with 'infinite money wallet' or 'hot chocolate backpack', and redeem the whole class Very Happy
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Fox



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wanderkind wrote:
Rockhard wrote:
That's a common assumption but no one has any proof that it's actually true.


Anecdotally, my evidence is in "Make your own invention" activities. Kids have to come up with an invention, carte blanche, let your imagination run wild. EVERY TIME 95% of the kids copied the example off the wall, and MAYBE changed one thing (rocket boots becomes blue fire rocket boots or something).

But then one kid would come up with 'infinite money wallet' or 'hot chocolate backpack', and redeem the whole class Very Happy


On the other hand, a camp activity I've done in the past is "make your own superhero," and I've always gotten a very creative and interesting selection of results.
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caniff



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wtf is "remote memorization"?
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cj1976



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally don't believe that young Koreans are any less creative than their foreign counterparts. It's the oppressive social conditions and archaic Confucian ideals that prevents them from expressing themselves. There aren't many young hotshots in charge of older guys out here. Past generation values still dominate.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

95% of people aren't very creative. That 95-5 number is normal for children and people in general. People say an education system should be fostered around creativity, I'm not so sure. Creativity should definitely not be squelched and encouraged, but at the same time its important to give people a base of skills and to remember that the overwhelming number of people are not creative and won't be, and that to diminish their education for the sake of the creative because "creative sounds nice" and you want to rack up Nobel prize winners is a poor decision.

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But take a random selection of Korean kids and pit them against a random selection of American kids and I feel bad for the American kids because they will get butt-hurt in any mental challenge.


The "resting on our laurels" element is slowly starting to creep in.
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Rockhard



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cj1976 wrote:
I personally don't believe that young Koreans are any less creative than their foreign counterparts. It's the oppressive social conditions and archaic Confucian ideals that prevents them from expressing themselves. There aren't many young hotshots in charge of older guys out here. Past generation values still dominate.


This! To a large degree.

How many times have you heard Koreans say we wanna do this but the culture!

A lot of American creativity can be attributed to our distaste for royalty and aristocracy. We are a first-name-basis kind of country that actually feels awkward acknowledging superiority in others. In other words, our historical cultural tendency to dispense with formality and status quo opens the doors for creative people, while in Korea it smothers them. Bringing in foreign engineers is a quick way to solve the problem of culture. That person doesn't fit into the hierarchy, so has the freedom to break the rules.
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The Cosmic Hum



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

caniff wrote:
Wtf is "remote memorization"?

It's memorizing things in a structured way with the remote chance of ever having to use it again.
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Rockhard



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
95% of people aren't very creative. That 95-5 number is normal for children and people in general. People say an education system should be fostered around creativity, I'm not so sure. Creativity should definitely not be squelched and encouraged, but at the same time its important to give people a base of skills and to remember that the overwhelming number of people are not creative and won't be, and that to diminish their education for the sake of the creative because "creative sounds nice" and you want to rack up Nobel prize winners is a poor decision.


True. It wouldn't make sense to base our entire education system around producing Olympic 100m sprinters. So why base it around producing once-in-a-life-time creative geniuses?

American schools should focus on producing people who have a basic understanding of math and science and geography first before worrying about producing the next Steve Jobs.
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Fox



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Cosmic Hum wrote:
caniff wrote:
Wtf is "remote memorization"?

It's memorizing things in a structured way with the remote chance of ever having to use it again.


Hah!
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