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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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Why not? Germany is a rich, free country. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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Not nearly as rich as the U.S. though. Look at this:
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| In 2013, further reductions of U.S. forces in Europe were announced, that would reduce U.S. Army Europe to 30,000 soldiers in two brigade combat teams. These reductions include unit deactivations and facilities closures at Warner Barracks, Bamberg and Schweinfurt.[12] Military police units were reduced: 202nd MP Group and the 1002nd MP Btn. were disbanded on 24 June 2013. In February 2013, it was announced that V Corps would be inactivated in June 2013.[13] In a ceremony on 12 June 2013, V Corps was awarded the Army Superior Unit Award and Meritorious Unit Citation and formally inactivated.[14][15] |
The U.S. is reducing it's troop numbers to 30,000 for all of Europe. That's not that many. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| radcon wrote: |
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In 2007, the Texas Youth Commission (TYC), a state agency that overseas juvenile corrections facilities, was sent to a West Texas juvenile prison run by GEO Group for the purpose of monitoring its quality standards.
The monitors sent by the TYC were subsequently fired for failing to report the sordid conditions they witnessed in the facility while they awarded the GEO Group with an overall compliance score of nearly 100% - it was later discovered that the TYC monitors were employed by the GEO Group. Independent auditors later visited the facility and discovered that inmates were forced to urinate or defecate in small containers due to a lack of toilets in some of the cells. The independent commission also noted in their list of reported findings that the facility racially segregated prisoners and denied inmates access to lawyers and medical treatment. The ACLU and Southern Poverty Law Center have also highlighted several cases where GEO Group facility administrators turned a blind eye to brutal cases of rape and torture within their facilities, in addition to cases of its staff engaging in violence against inmates.
http://rt.com/op-edge/moral-monstrosity-american-gulag-258/ |
Where exactly does this dude you're quoting, who happens to be living in Kuala Lumpur, get his information from? The same place you do--half-baked Internet blogs?
And if prison conditions in the U.S. are a moral monstrosity, what are the prisons in North Korea?
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. |
That's your standard: "We aren't as bad as North Korea"? Way to aim high, fascist.
So the writer should be discredited because he lives in KL? You realize you live in a foreign country also. Anyway, the story is true and was widely and thoroughly reported in Texas newspapers at the time. |
Yes, because the writer is, like you, just regurgitating half-truths and then SCREAMING about injustice. He, like you, holds the mistaken belief that by crying a few crocodile tears, while in his case also trying to advance his career, you're doing something that will bring about change.
But you're doing exactly the opposite. You're sitting idly by while the world goes its merry way.
And when someone calls you on it, you resort to name-calling.
BTW, it's not like there aren't any problems in Malaysian prisons that he could do some real reporting on:
http://www.asiasentinel.com/politics/ngo-leader-malaysia-alleges-prison-torture/ |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
In 2007, the Texas Youth Commission (TYC), a state agency that overseas juvenile corrections facilities, was sent to a West Texas juvenile prison run by GEO Group for the purpose of monitoring its quality standards.
The monitors sent by the TYC were subsequently fired for failing to report the sordid conditions they witnessed in the facility while they awarded the GEO Group with an overall compliance score of nearly 100% - it was later discovered that the TYC monitors were employed by the GEO Group. Independent auditors later visited the facility and discovered that inmates were forced to urinate or defecate in small containers due to a lack of toilets in some of the cells. The independent commission also noted in their list of reported findings that the facility racially segregated prisoners and denied inmates access to lawyers and medical treatment. The ACLU and Southern Poverty Law Center have also highlighted several cases where GEO Group facility administrators turned a blind eye to brutal cases of rape and torture within their facilities, in addition to cases of its staff engaging in violence against inmates.
http://rt.com/op-edge/moral-monstrosity-american-gulag-258/ |
Where exactly does this dude you're quoting, who happens to be living in Kuala Lumpur, get his information from? The same place you do--half-baked Internet blogs?
And if prison conditions in the U.S. are a moral monstrosity, what are the prisons in North Korea?
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. |
That's your standard: "We aren't as bad as North Korea"? Way to aim high, fascist.
So the writer should be discredited because he lives in KL? You realize you live in a foreign country also. Anyway, the story is true and was widely and thoroughly reported in Texas newspapers at the time. |
Yes, because the writer is, like you, just regurgitating half-truths and then SCREAMING about injustice. He, like you, holds the mistaken belief that by crying a few crocodile tears, while in his case also trying to advance his career, you're doing something that will bring about change.
But you're doing exactly the opposite. You're sitting idly by while the world goes its merry way.
And when someone calls you on it, you resort to name-calling.
BTW, it's not like there aren't any problems in Malaysian prisons that he could do some real reporting on:
http://www.asiasentinel.com/politics/ngo-leader-malaysia-alleges-prison-torture/ |
Are you denying this happened? If you don't believe him, read the stories from the Texas newspapers at the time. No half truths. This did happen. The writer is an American so maybe that's why he wrote this story.
And how do you know what I do or don't do about these problems anyway? Very presumptuous conclusions on your part based solely on posts on an internet message board. All you can know is that I understand there are problems. Unlike you who says things like "the world is what it is" "send an email to your congressman" " It's called democracy". |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| radcon wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
In 2007, the Texas Youth Commission (TYC), a state agency that overseas juvenile corrections facilities, was sent to a West Texas juvenile prison run by GEO Group for the purpose of monitoring its quality standards.
The monitors sent by the TYC were subsequently fired for failing to report the sordid conditions they witnessed in the facility while they awarded the GEO Group with an overall compliance score of nearly 100% - it was later discovered that the TYC monitors were employed by the GEO Group. Independent auditors later visited the facility and discovered that inmates were forced to urinate or defecate in small containers due to a lack of toilets in some of the cells. The independent commission also noted in their list of reported findings that the facility racially segregated prisoners and denied inmates access to lawyers and medical treatment. The ACLU and Southern Poverty Law Center have also highlighted several cases where GEO Group facility administrators turned a blind eye to brutal cases of rape and torture within their facilities, in addition to cases of its staff engaging in violence against inmates.
http://rt.com/op-edge/moral-monstrosity-american-gulag-258/ |
Where exactly does this dude you're quoting, who happens to be living in Kuala Lumpur, get his information from? The same place you do--half-baked Internet blogs?
And if prison conditions in the U.S. are a moral monstrosity, what are the prisons in North Korea?
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. |
That's your standard: "We aren't as bad as North Korea"? Way to aim high, fascist.
So the writer should be discredited because he lives in KL? You realize you live in a foreign country also. Anyway, the story is true and was widely and thoroughly reported in Texas newspapers at the time. |
Yes, because the writer is, like you, just regurgitating half-truths and then SCREAMING about injustice. He, like you, holds the mistaken belief that by crying a few crocodile tears, while in his case also trying to advance his career, you're doing something that will bring about change.
But you're doing exactly the opposite. You're sitting idly by while the world goes its merry way.
And when someone calls you on it, you resort to name-calling.
BTW, it's not like there aren't any problems in Malaysian prisons that he could do some real reporting on:
http://www.asiasentinel.com/politics/ngo-leader-malaysia-alleges-prison-torture/ |
Are you denying this happened? If you don't believe him, read the stories from the Texas newspapers at the time. No half truths. This did happen. The writer is an American so maybe that's why he wrote this story.
And how do you know what I do or don't do about these problems anyway? Very presumptuous conclusions on your part based solely on posts on an internet message board. All you can know is that I understand there are problems. Unlike you who says things like "the world is what it is" "send an email to your congressman" " It's called democracy". |
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| The number of people imprisoned under state and federal custody increased 772% percent between 1970 and 2009, largely due to the incredible influence that private corrections corporations wield against the American legal system. |
That's patently false, as are the premises of your posts. Why the need to twist the facts and to sensationalize them?
Nice work on quoting me out of context.
So what are you doing, other than whining on the Internet? You claimed to be well-off financially. What causes are you supporting? What movements are you involved in?
Or are you just another keyboard kommando, posting links as a form of protest? |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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| the strange thing is even though you say some really stupid crap sometimes, you also say some smart things from time to time and i really believe you can't be as dumb as you lead on. |
Infowars.com is not a good source for accurate, unbiased information. It is run by Alex Jones.
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| He has accused the U.S. government of being involved in the Oklahoma City bombing,[9] the September 11 attacks,[10] and the filming of fake Moon landings to hide NASA's secret technology[11] and the killing of "thousands of astronauts".[12] He believes that government and big business have colluded to create a New World Order through "manufactured economic crises, sophisticated surveillance tech and—above all—inside-job terror attacks that fuel exploitable hysteria".[13] |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones_(radio_host)
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| On June 9, 2013, Jones appeared as a guest on the BBC's Sunday Politics. After a discussion about conspiracy theories surrounding the Bilderberg Group meetings with presenter Andrew Neil and journalist David Aaronovitch, a critic of such theories, which was dominated by Jones's shouting and regular interruptions, Andrew Neil ended the item, describing Jones as "an idiot"[46] and "the worst person I've ever interviewed".[47][48] Jones was still shouting, according to Neil on Twitter, until he knew he was off-air.[46][47] |
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chellovek
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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Not nearly as rich as the U.S. though. Look at this:
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| In 2013, further reductions of U.S. forces in Europe were announced, that would reduce U.S. Army Europe to 30,000 soldiers in two brigade combat teams. These reductions include unit deactivations and facilities closures at Warner Barracks, Bamberg and Schweinfurt.[12] Military police units were reduced: 202nd MP Group and the 1002nd MP Btn. were disbanded on 24 June 2013. In February 2013, it was announced that V Corps would be inactivated in June 2013.[13] In a ceremony on 12 June 2013, V Corps was awarded the Army Superior Unit Award and Meritorious Unit Citation and formally inactivated.[14][15] |
The U.S. is reducing it's troop numbers to 30,000 for all of Europe. That's not that many. |
Presumably Europe is pretty safe from invasion then. |
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World Traveler
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| Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| The United States is keeping an eye on Islamic terrorist cells in Europe (religious dumbasses who think suicide attacks will get them into heaven). |
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chellovek
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| Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 11:09 am Post subject: |
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| The United States is keeping an eye on Islamic terrorist cells in Europe (religious dumbasses who think suicide attacks will get them into heaven). |
Aye no doubt, but you'll agree that that wouldn't require a large army |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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What do you think copying and pasting links proves? Nothing. I grew up near Detroit. I saw first hand widespread poverty and third world conditions in the "amazingly rich" United States. Millions and millions of Americans are poor as shit, live paycheck to paycheck, have zero opportunities, are homeless, are dead or dying of curable/preventable illnesses, rely on food stamps or prison for sustenance. That is an undeniable fact visible to anyone who has eyes, and no amount of "statistics" that lump the good milk in with the bad can hide the fact that something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
And PLEASEEEEE don't come with "but black people...yadda yadda..." |
...and I grew up in the Mritimes. What both have in common is that the governments there had an addiction to spending like junkies to heroin. Tax hikes and increase in spending that is never enough to satisfy their urges. Over time, the economy contracts and becomes weaker and weaker. Detroit has so called 'white flight' and the Maitimes has so called Alberta flight, where folks move for more jobs or lower tax rates. (Sometimes, the Maritimes has Korea flight too. ANy way out.) Both places had their local governments fail them.
Over the last several years of Obamadom, the rich have gotten rich and the poor have gotten poorer. Guess what isn't working? |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Rockhard wrote: |
What do you think copying and pasting links proves? Nothing. I grew up near Detroit. I saw first hand widespread poverty and third world conditions in the "amazingly rich" United States. Millions and millions of Americans are poor as shit, live paycheck to paycheck, have zero opportunities, are homeless, are dead or dying of curable/preventable illnesses, rely on food stamps or prison for sustenance. That is an undeniable fact visible to anyone who has eyes, and no amount of "statistics" that lump the good milk in with the bad can hide the fact that something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
And PLEASEEEEE don't come with "but black people...yadda yadda..." |
...and I grew up in the Mritimes. What both have in common is that the governments there had an addiction to spending like junkies to heroin. Tax hikes and increase in spending that is never enough to satisfy their urges. Over time, the economy contracts and becomes weaker and weaker. Detroit has so called 'white flight' and the Maitimes has so called Alberta flight, where folks move for more jobs or lower tax rates. (Sometimes, the Maritimes has Korea flight too. ANy way out.) Both places had their local governments fail them.
Over the last several years of Obamadom, the rich have gotten rich and the poor have gotten poorer. Guess what isn't working? |
Too much simplification obscures the real picture. |
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World Traveler
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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What do you think copying and pasting links proves? Nothing. I grew up near Detroit. I saw first hand widespread poverty and third world conditions in the "amazingly rich" United States. Millions and millions of Americans are poor as shit, live paycheck to paycheck, have zero opportunities, are homeless, are dead or dying of curable/preventable illnesses, rely on food stamps or prison for sustenance. That is an undeniable fact visible to anyone who has eyes, and no amount of "statistics" that lump the good milk in with the bad can hide the fact that something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
And PLEASEEEEE don't come with "but black people...yadda yadda..." |
Did you know Detroit was once the richest city in America (per capita)? Now it's the poorest. Quite the change in 50 years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60t5t2KCXsc |
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Rockhard
Joined: 11 Dec 2013
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2014 6:54 am Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| Rockhard wrote: |
What do you think copying and pasting links proves? Nothing. I grew up near Detroit. I saw first hand widespread poverty and third world conditions in the "amazingly rich" United States. Millions and millions of Americans are poor as shit, live paycheck to paycheck, have zero opportunities, are homeless, are dead or dying of curable/preventable illnesses, rely on food stamps or prison for sustenance. That is an undeniable fact visible to anyone who has eyes, and no amount of "statistics" that lump the good milk in with the bad can hide the fact that something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
And PLEASEEEEE don't come with "but black people...yadda yadda..." |
Did you know Detroit was once the richest city in America (per capita)? Now it's the poorest. Quite the change in 50 years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60t5t2KCXsc |
Which was totally the government's fault and not in anyway due to car companies moving to the suburbs and taking their white employees with them. |
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World Traveler
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| Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Only a very small minority of prisons are private prisons. The United States started using them to deal with overcrowding. It is not the norm. |
once again weird rambler pulls out a statement he believes is true with no data to defend his precious america. sorry weird rambler, but private prisons are not a "very small minority" and it is definitely becoming "the norm". |
The stats for 2014 show the U.S. prison population has been on the decline since 2009. Private prisoners, both overall and as a proportion, peaked in 2009 (at 8%) as well. So you and radcon's assertion they are growing is false. They are on the decline. Things are not getting worse in the United States; they are getting better.
"The proportion of inmates held in private prisons actually decreased 3 percent in 2013, after a few states ended their relationships with private prisons entirely." |
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atwood
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| Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
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| Only a very small minority of prisons are private prisons. The United States started using them to deal with overcrowding. It is not the norm. |
once again weird rambler pulls out a statement he believes is true with no data to defend his precious america. sorry weird rambler, but private prisons are not a "very small minority" and it is definitely becoming "the norm". |
The stats for 2014 show the U.S. prison population has been on the decline since 2009. Private prisoners, both overall and as a proportion, peaked in 2009 (at 8%) as well. So you and radcon's assertion they are growing is false. They are on the decline. Things are not getting worse in the United States; they are getting better.
"The proportion of inmates held in private prisons actually decreased 3 percent in 2013, after a few states ended their relationships with private prisons entirely." |
There have been major changes in the way sentencing is being done in the U.S. it;s becoming less punitive.
And the new attitudes towards marijuana certainly will lead to less arrests and incarcerations. |
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