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guavashake
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catman
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| What? Everyone knows that Rosa Parks sat in the back of the bus with an AR-15 and threatened to kill the driver if he didn't take her where she wanted to go. |
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geldedgoat
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guavashake
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| catman wrote: |
| What? Everyone knows that Rosa Parks sat in the back of the bus with an AR-15 and threatened to kill the driver if he didn't take her where she wanted to go. |
... said the pussie with the Hello Kitty cartoon for an avatar. If defending freedom offends you its because your parents raised a pussie.
Everyone knows what happened to unarmed peaceful students at Kent State.
They were shot dead.
Everyone knows what happened to unarmed peaceful civil rights protesters with Martin Luther King Jr.
They were attacked with fire hoses, they were attacked by german shepherd dogs, they were beaten with clubs and they were shot dead.
By the way, MLK used the term negro to describe black people. |
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guavashake
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Black Soldiers: Cliven Bundy Is Not Racist
A black marine who sides with Nevada cattle rancher Cliven Bundy in his dispute with the BLM blames the “liberal media” for attempting to paint Bundy as a racist, and says he himself has also wondered “the same about the decline of the black family.”
http://www.infowars.com/black-marines-cliven-bundy-is-not-racist/
"Hell, I’m black and I often wonder about the same about the decline of the black family.
Individual liberties are at stake here, yours and mine. THAT is the issue. Don’t let the liberal media and ignoramuses like Glenn Beck and that weasel Harry Reid make you lose sight of the real issue here: The federal government is a burgeoning behemoth and a bully on a once constitutional playground. I sincerely hope you real patriots out there who can see through the smoke."
In the wake of Bundy’s supposedly “racist” comments, CNN hoped to get a reaction of outrage when they interviewed one of the men who has been guarding Bundy; in fact, they got the exact opposite response. |
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catman
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Yeah, a tax cheat trying to play victim. Inviting some armed crazies to play revolution against the "socialist gubment". |
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guavashake
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Yeah, a tax cheat trying to play victim. Inviting some armed crazies to play revolution against the "socialist gubment". |
Said the pussie with a Hello Kitty avatar, who quoted the geriatric goat, who posted an article that stinks like a goat-shit-cat-piss smoothie.
If fighting tyranny offends you, its because your parents raised pussies.
Glenn Beck has been exposed as a government shill.
The scathing comments to the article tell the true story.
The comments are in favor of Cliven Bundy and against Glenn Beck and Harry Reid and the Bureau of Land Management.
Here is the first page of comments that support Cliven Bundy and freedom, at a rate of about 50 to 1.
Steel Apr. 24, 2014 at 12:28pm
Who’s more honest? Mr. Bundy, the government or the hypocrites who are now criticizing him. I’ll stand with Bundy any day, anywhere and any time!
UNALIEN Apr. 24, 2014 at 1:00pm
This isn’t about Bundy vs Federal Government, it is about Fascism, GOV INC colluding to extort wealth through the “GREEN ENERGY” scam…
the LEFT, the MEDIA and their parasites have made Bundy the issue, don’t fall for the straw man….
This about private interests leveraging the coercion of the State for exploitation..
Oldmantex Apr. 24, 2014 at 2:02pm
Beck is beginning to show his true colors. Last Nov. he was chastising NYT for covering for Obama on the whole “you can keep your insurance” debacle.
Now he uses NYT as a reference to back up his position…….seriously Glenn you should be able to do better than this.
What would Glenn and Stu say about anyone else going after a paper calling them a liar and then 4 months later using the same paper to back up their point?
He would say they are being hypocrites only willing to use the paper when it backs their position. Sounds familiar doesn’t it?
sasquatch08 Apr. 24, 2014 at 3:34pm
I lived in New Mexico for long enough, and met enough ranchers that I know the BLM is garbage from a ranchers standpoint. People who’ve been ranching the same land since the Spanish land grants and actually OWN the land are told how to operate it for sustainability by the BLM. Not following the “guidelines” results in fines, lawyers and forfeiture of your property.
Obviously this is stupid. These people have a vested interest in conserving the land for future ranching and must be pretty good at it or they wouldn’t be on the same piece of property for 300+ years.
On top of that, this Op-Ed points out that Mr. Hage’s case hinged on following all the rules only because the BLM “kept changing the goal post”.
This raises the obvious question; who in their right mind would pay such fees knowing that a costly legal battle with an agency that “changes the goalpost” would be the outcome as it was Hage?
In effect Mr. Cardillo is asking us to believe that the “best” possible course of action is to pay the fees, end up in court, and then continue paying the fee’s to defray the BLM’s costs associated with their lawyers TAKING YOU TO COURT.
No thanks, I’ll pay for my lawyers and my lawyers only.
LUCIDANDBLACK Apr. 24, 2014 at 5:12pm
US Attorney General Eric Holder was correct when he said white people are cowards when it comes to race. Unfortunately, I must add Rand Paul and Mr. Beck to that list now. If you haven’t notice, MSM pulled the same stunt on Duck Dynasty’s Phil Robertson, attempting to discredit him.
Recently I looked into buying an Obamacare plan, It became clear to me by the prices presented that I would be paying for someone else healthcare too, something tantamount to slavery. We live within the time we exist. I was born one hundred years after Dred Scott. I thought I fortunate to have miss living under slavery.
White people, please get a backbone and push back; you are being enslaved.
DADDYWOREAWHITEHAT Apr. 24, 2014 at 9:36pm
The man is talking about govt overreach & suddenly there’s a snippet where he asks a question about whether the black race has advanced from the plantations they were on to the plantation they are on today and he is immediately demonized. I don’t think there is any question that blacks today are not allowed to try to get off the demoncrat plantation or they get branded as uncle toms & such. Now this man gets baited with some off topic question & when he responds with a question about which plantation blacks are better off on that is all you hear. How edited is this snippet???
I tell you with the proper questions baited and crafty editing you can make anyone look like they said they would murder their mother on video. Photoshopping is not the only game in town. Reid said it’s not over & he meant it. The media will destroy this man and we won’t know what the truth is.
ltb Apr. 24, 2014 at 10:34pm
By Cliven Bundy’s logic, someone whose family had settled in New York City prior to 1845 (the year the NYPD was formed) was free to run red lights with impunity and not recognize the NYPD’s authority because their ancestors had used those roads before the red lights or an NYPD to enforce them existed. It was then I realized just how ludicrous Bundy’s defense of his actions was.
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Yeah, that’s a real stupid analogy. We’re not talking about local government, we’re talking about the federal government. The federal government’s actions are indefensible, because they have no right to that land in the first place and they certainly have no right to charge the citizens of Nevada fees to use property that they stole from the people of Nevada.
Pigpen Apr. 26, 2014 at 3:59pm
Good job, Steel! I too would rather eat cow flops with Cliven Bundy than steak with Glenn Beck!
Oh, and this “expert” can stop parading about as one of us and admit that he is a SHILL!
Why has NO ONE in the media been willing to bring the FULL VIDEO of what Mr. Bundy ACTUALLY said to light? Because the ELITES are SCARED! The militia standing up for Mr. Bundy sent the little roaches running frightened! Now they are just trying to regain control. Once Glenn Beck, the New York Times, and John Cardillo have driven Mr. Bundy’s publicity numbers down low enough, Harry Reid will send the troops back in and have another government funded barbecue: WACO STYLE!!!!
Who do you think are the CUSTOMERS at Mr. Cardillo’s company PsyID? His paying customers certainly are NOT you people! Yes, you guessed it! He is not here to enlighten YOU! He is here to spread the message of his ELITE customers:
“Now is not the time. Mr. Bundy is not the right person. Yes, the government is out of control, but violence is not the answer because violence is the only effective answer and we don’t want to give up control just yet…”
alicat2441 Apr. 24, 2014 at 12:50pm
Wow, just wow. How about the main question that is not being answered: WHY DOES THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OWN 80+% OF NV LAND, NOT TO MENTION UT, AZ, WY, ETC.? That is the question. And I maintain that Harry Reid and son want the land for something and my guess is a solar farm. Why else would Harry step in after the BLM pulled out?
kimco Apr. 24, 2014 at 5:06pm
http://patdollard.com/2014/04/shock-hoax-exposed-full-clip-of-cliven-bundys-non-racist-pro-black-anti-government-remarks-vs-media-matters-deceptively-edited-hoax-version-see-that-cliven-bundy-is-actually-an-advocat/
WillTheBlazeFreezeThisAccount Apr. 24, 2014 at 3:07pm
Doesnt matter. These people were not protesting race relations – they were protesting the actions of the federal government. Beck has used Saul Alinsky tactics from day 1
UNALIEN Apr. 24, 2014 at 2:15pm
YOU ARE WRONG,,,,, or just a lair
It isn’t the Chinese project,, there are others including First Solar, the BUNDY land Gold Butte was targeted for “solar project” land use mitigation,,, in BLM documents,,,
GOLD BUTTE IS TOP PRIORITY FOR MITIGATION FROM SOLAR DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS NEARBY.. according to BLM
http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/blm/wo/blm_library/tech_notes.Par.29872.File.dat/TN_444.pdf
The proposed regional mitigation locations and actions will mitigate for the temporary loss of some of the resources that will occur as a result of solar development in the Dry Lake SEZ (e.g., loss of creosote-bursage vegetation, loss of general and BLM special status species habitat, loss of cryptobiotic soil crusts and desert pavement, and loss of the ecosystem services these resources provide). The BLM Southern Nevada District Office considered several regional mitigation action alternatives. The suite of potential mitigation actions were generated by soliciting proposals from the public and from BLM staff in the district.
allen0617 Apr. 24, 2014 at 12:50pm
Mr. Cardillo, Where is the recording of what Mr. Bundy said? I’m sure that New York Times is always the best and most accurate left wing source of information there is to be found. I cannot help but wonder if there is somebody in this government that has got to Beck in someway. May God be with you and always report only the truth.
JediKnight Apr. 24, 2014 at 1:21pm
I’m still standing with Bundy for now. Despite his coarse language (I believe Phil Robertson had similar remarks about gays and blacks), I don’t find anything wrong with what he said. Additionally, he has maintained that he has no problem paying grazing fees to the State, he simply does not recognize Federal authority over Nevada land, so he refuses to pay the fees to the Federal government.
Just because the BLM was created from a Federal law does not make that law Constitutional. Bundy recognizes that. Even Mr. Beck recognizes that. What Mr. Beck doesn’t recognize is that we have a duty to not follow such laws. Beck continues to claim “We have representation!”. With or without representation, we have a duty as Americans to recognize Federal overreach and respond accordingly.
Maybe Mr. Beck should reread some of the founders writings. Patrick Henry was certainly in favor of the citizens simply not following the law if it violated the Constitution and not simply waiting for the courts and representatives to decide on it or correct the situation.
gahanson Apr. 24, 2014 at 1:44pm
So the “last straw” was Bundy’s comments about Negroes. I’ve read what he said, and see absolutely nothing wrong with what he said. Point out something that he got wrong, go ahead. Playing the Race Card on Bundy is essentially an attempt to justify what the BLM tried to do, and what they will still try to do in the future, up to and including imprisoning him, or even killing him. That is why the left always plays the RACE CARD, because of screaming, whining pansies always run for cover, whimper, cry, and form circular firing squads to show just how “progressive” they are on the question of race. How, fricking pathetic.
McNattack Apr. 24, 2014 at 1:50pm
This is garbage. You can’t compare the BLM to the NYPD. BLM is a federal agency subject to the state and the people. In fact the reason the Bundys won’t pay the grazing fee is not so they can get a freebee. They have been offered the money to pay it and refused. They are fighting what they see as a Constitutional battle. The BLM doesn’t have the right to impose fees on Nevada ranchers with pre-emptive grazing rights without Congressional authorization. If the courts don’t agree, Bundy wants to fight, and that’s his right too. If anyone should be on the side of Bundy it should be Beck. What is wrong with you people?
WillTheBlazeFreezeThisAccount Apr. 24, 2014 at 1:59pm
Fools follow men. Patriots all around the country stood up because the of the federal government overreach and disregard for private property rights. Just because Glenn Beck and this author follow men instead of principles does not diminish the urgent issues of the day. They are the true cowards.
comicsense Apr. 24, 2014 at 1:59pm
There are a gajillion analyses of the #BundyRanch hashtag. None of them agree. I don’t know where PsyID drew its conclusions, but they’re clearly not from the live data from the spectrum of forums where it was being discussed.
This article is a blatant pitch for a social media platform, and offers little more than that. The insights drawn from JUST #BundyRanch might indicate some of the conclusions drawn. However, it obviously does not take into consideration any of the metrics that define general context, sentiment, and progression of both.
I wish TheBlaze was actually reporting “The Truth Lives Here” — instead, it’s giving a platform to a company that is playing the social metrics game.
An example, I’m in the same field (I won’t even mention my company), and our analysis of #BundyRanch disagrees strongly with the “changing sentiment” argument made in this article. Instead, what was really observed was a strong conservative showing initially, that built up to a peak. Following that peak, more left-leaning and centrist individuals started to inundate the hashtag. Finally, most of the law-centered conservatives stopped using the hashtag – leaving it to the leftists, anarchists, and anti-govt extremists.
There is almost no indication of sentiment shifting except among a small handful of high-reach conservatives. The metrics are just WRONG… but thanks to TheBlaze for pitching someone’s product and passing it off as commentary! Great… big… advertiseme
Max Power 1 Apr. 24, 2014 at 2:27pm
Beck has gone over to the dark side folks. Either that, or he’s been controlled opposition all this time, and has taken off the mask. Remember, he claimed there was no voter fraud, no Sandy Hook conspiracy, the “I have information that will end the GOP”, bla, bla, bla. Now he thinks he’s Walt Disney Ghandi, & MLK & George Washington all rolled into one. He becomes whatever book he’s reading this week. Wake up people. The Blaze has become the National Enquirer. Yet another dog shooting story, another face of Jesus in a pancake, another rip on Bundy, another trick basketball shot & on & on. I used to come here for truth. It was here, but it left. Here’s some truth for you. George Washington defeated the tyranny of the Brits with the force of arms, not by holding hands & wishing for understanding. This fight isn’t over, we haven’t lost, we CAN defeat our enemy, we CAN stop the destruction of our country. We don’t have to figure out how to survive what comes next, after the final takeover. We must stop fighting amongst ourselves, quibbling over details, & come together. Once we do that, no force on earth can stop us. It doesn’t matter how many drones & mraps they have arrayed against us. We are Americans. Start acting like it.
HamishBond Apr. 24, 2014 at 2:29pm
Cardillo-an ex unionized cop is down on Mr. Bundy ,eh ?! So, who cares what a liberal NYC extortionist,evidence planters, perjurer, has to say anyways !? Ex-cops are the biggest liars since Obozo and Harry Reid, landed.
canampatriot Apr. 24, 2014 at 2:58pm
So a HIRED social media shill as come out in favor of Mr.Becks original analysis of Cliven Bundy. Big surprise there. I have lost so much respect for Glenn Beck and his belief system that at times it is hard for me to stomach watching his program. This rancher represents the whole microcosm of the American individual freedoms and liberties being eroded by a corrupt and overreaching federal government. After 5 years of following Beck I see he now believes so much in his own superiority that he condemns all who don’t fall in line with him ( or worse, threaten his empire). Let me just interject this thought Glenn, God had his purpose for you to bring together the masses and to help us become self-aware and return to our spiritual roots. My husband accurately pointed out that although you now live in Texas you still speak and act like you are in New York. Many at the Bundy ranch had driven from all across the country and put their lives on hold to support this cause. Even forgoing their own safety. I expect like minded conservatives to appreciate that point and not sling mud like the far left does, looking for any weakness to exploit. I realize as a conservative I must throw in the caveat,” but he did break the law and that is wrong”. Glenn, your constant attacks on this man only solidify my resolve to question your motives. The good people of this country are waking up and realizing that any demi-god is one too many.
BrianP Apr. 24, 2014 at 4:49pm
It seems clear Bundy does not have a legal claim to not paying fees. Is this a just cause, is it a worthy act of civil disobedience. Legal and just are not the same thing. When the laws are unjust we must not follow them. Rosa Parks clearly illustrated this. When you cannot vote to change uncommon sense laws, how else you can fight uncommon sense laws, but through the use civil disobedience.
-Free Speech Zones and Armed BLM with snipers trained on families.
Bundy paid his grazing fees up until 1991, and then the turtle was used to run him off the land by capping cattle grazing to 150 cattle in 1992(Agenda 21 intro). His family maintains about 1000 cattle this decision was managing him out of business with an excuse, just like his other 50 neighbors had suffered throw legislative taking.
Bundies issue is farmers were not being represented; the defense of a tortious (that is now being euthanized by the thousands) was now being used to end his lively hood. He was not being represented and invoked civil disobedience to bring attention to what he and many see as an uncommon-sense law, invoked by the environmental police departments that act without oversight.
Government calls protesters domestic terrorist, while fort hood and major Hussain is workplace violence and Bengasi was protesters. Right is wrong, wrong is right.
This is bigger than the Bundy ranch, he is not the best case to rally behind, yet he has a valid argument that is part of a bigger narrative.
raiderglenn Apr. 24, 2014 at 5:13pm
Cardildo is an idiot… his ‘example’ is total BS.
the FACT is that there should not be a BLM in this case because the Feds were REQUIRED to turn this land over to the state in the 1st place. “Man fights Federal Overreach” is still the story here.
blackfeather Apr. 24, 2014 at 5:49pm
anything…and I mean anything..the “left” can do to bury this man..they will….and here comes the “racist” agenda because he talks about the plight of the “*****”…I’m so sick of this liberal crap I could puke….are there …any…blacks out there that get it?? Jeeezus.
MWLovin Apr. 24, 2014 at 7:04pm
THIS IS INSANE ! This man is just saying that Socialism hurts people…that is all simply, truthfully. Listen close he said we do not want to go back to the way it was…these are good people with good families…but when they are on social programs they do nothing so many end up n jail…..WOW, HOW is this a bad thing to say..? .you people on the left are evil.
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Leon
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| I take it on general principle that the opposite of what commentators at the blaze say is probably correct. |
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catman
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He has lost support from most libertarians now. ie- Rand Paul.
In the meantime I'm concerned about real issues. |
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Kuros
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Guavashake, you could not have chosen a less worthy cause than this to trumpet your arrival to this forum.
Here's to you getting your sh*t together for the next thread. |
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Fox
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| guavashake wrote: |
| If fighting tyranny offends you, its because your parents raised pussies. |
I think the point is that neither of them see this as fighting tyranny. Requiring nominal fees to use government land for the sake of for-profit activity is not tyrannical. Requiring compliance with basic environmental regulations is not tyrannical. The government acting so as to reasonably enforce such laws is not tyrannical.
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The scathing comments to the article tell the true story.
The comments are in favor of Cliven Bundy and against Glenn Beck and Harry Reid and the Bureau of Land Management. |
Well, I believe this is my first time ever seeing comments from "the Blaze," but if this is their usual character, then Leon's assessment may not be far off. |
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guavashake
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Guavashake, you could not have chosen a less worthy cause than this to trumpet your arrival to this forum.
Here's to you getting your sh*t together for the next thread. |
My arrival on Dave's ESL Café was in the 1990s.
I may think you are full of shit, but I don't advertise it on your pointless threads.
That would tend to make a person appear immature. |
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Leon
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| guavashake wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
Guavashake, you could not have chosen a less worthy cause than this to trumpet your arrival to this forum.
Here's to you getting your sh*t together for the next thread. |
My arrival on Dave's ESL Café was in the 1990s.
I may think you are full of shit, but I don't advertise it on your pointless threads.
That would tend to make a person appear immature. |
Here's a riddle, what did the pot call the kettle?
If the government is so tyrannical in this instance then why did they:
1) put up with this guy not paying fees for 20 years
2) not just outright arrest him
3) Return the cows
4) leave
I know you probably think that the thugs, or militia if you prefer, that Mr. Bundy used scared them off, but that isn't reasonable. The authorities go after gangs with much more experience/fire power than those guys. The answer is because your tyrants didn't want to take the chance that they would end up killing any of those idiots. |
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Fox
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| And it's good that the government deescalated the situation, it would have been a shame for people to die over the matter of where cows eat grass. It's actually somewhat ironic that their tactic of armed resistance against "tyranny" only worked because actual tyranny was absent. |
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Titus
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Bundy was abusing public land. This whole ordeal is silly - in sum-, though it inspires real emotions about real problems with USG. A great many people are pissed off and ready for a scrap.
I snark, but if this happened in a nation that USG opposed it would become a pivot. A bunch of cockroaches in the media and deep state would be promoting it as evidence of tyranny etc. |
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