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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea
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| Underwaterbob wrote: |
| Briefly. The day after the Sewol incident, I took the bus to Seoul and they stopped in the parking lot and made a safety announcement. The bus driver kept it under the limit the whole way there. Yesterday, I took a bus to Seoul, and it was business as usual. |
It may be more comprehensive with boats, ferries, and sea rescue procedures. But, again, we shall see. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| le-paul wrote: |
| There are so many tinder pots waiting to explode and peoples fingers are going to get burned unless something is addressed. I mean how many people have to get run down by cars, roll over in buses, have buildings collapse on them, get physically/sexually abused by teachers, animals hurled off buildings (by adults no less) etc. before the government step up and admit that things need to change? |
You make it sound like these things are endemic (although the car thing I might slightly agree with), when it's just as random, and rare, as in other countries. Seriously, can a year go by without something in the paper about a teacher sexually abusing someone in the US? |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| le-paul wrote: |
| There are so many tinder pots waiting to explode and peoples fingers are going to get burned unless something is addressed. I mean how many people have to get run down by cars, roll over in buses, have buildings collapse on them, get physically/sexually abused by teachers, animals hurled off buildings (by adults no less) etc. before the government step up and admit that things need to change? |
You make it sound like these things are endemic (although the car thing I might slightly agree with), when it's just as random, and rare, as in other countries. Seriously, can a year go by without something in the paper about a teacher sexually abusing someone in the US? |
I would say that the culture of corruption and bribery here is endemic. Everyone seems to be on the take.
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
Location: Insert witty remark HERE
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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SR is right guys. One guy using a common saying that might be construed as racist if you squint your eyes completely discredits any criticism of Korea ever made on this site.
I'll admit that I was taken a bit aback by that line, but I have seen the saying before. It's like when Palin got "offended" when Obama said you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig. Yeah, if you're looking to be offended you'll be offended. I'm not sure what that particular poster means by that line, I would have definitely used another way of expressing that sentiment. But even if the guy is a card carrying member of the KKK (not saying he is), how does that impact the dozens of others how have had issues with Korea/Koreans over the years?
Sometimes I honestly think that some hard core apologists here just create socks to say stupid things because the Defenders of Korea League always show up minutes later to go crazy about it. |
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
Location: Insert witty remark HERE
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| le-paul wrote: |
| There are so many tinder pots waiting to explode and peoples fingers are going to get burned unless something is addressed. I mean how many people have to get run down by cars, roll over in buses, have buildings collapse on them, get physically/sexually abused by teachers, animals hurled off buildings (by adults no less) etc. before the government step up and admit that things need to change? |
You make it sound like these things are endemic (although the car thing I might slightly agree with), when it's just as random, and rare, as in other countries. Seriously, can a year go by without something in the paper about a teacher sexually abusing someone in the US? |
maybe, there was one incident that sticks in my mind regarding abuse a few years ago in daegu where some teachers were accused of abusing over 70 girls and boys.
I also remember a man being arrested for the murder of over 100 people only a few years back.
Its the scale of it thats the problem. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| le-paul wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
| le-paul wrote: |
| There are so many tinder pots waiting to explode and peoples fingers are going to get burned unless something is addressed. I mean how many people have to get run down by cars, roll over in buses, have buildings collapse on them, get physically/sexually abused by teachers, animals hurled off buildings (by adults no less) etc. before the government step up and admit that things need to change? |
You make it sound like these things are endemic (although the car thing I might slightly agree with), when it's just as random, and rare, as in other countries. Seriously, can a year go by without something in the paper about a teacher sexually abusing someone in the US? |
maybe, there was one incident that sticks in my mind regarding abuse a few years ago in daegu where some teachers were accused of abusing over 70 girls and boys.
I also remember a man being arrested for the murder of over 100 people only a few years back.
Its the scale of it thats the problem. |
21 is the record for Korean serial killers.
And the abuse of 70 students was committed by other students, not teachers. Although it was covered up for a while, and parents of the victims also didn't want to 'shame' themselves. And even wanted the whistle-blowing teacher to be punished for revealing the incident up the chain of command.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwangju_Inhwa_School
http://asiancorrespondent.com/22708/daegu-sex-abuse-case-ends-with-no-charges/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoo_Young-chul |
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guavashake
Joined: 09 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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Its not disparaging - its called being frank. There is a difference (was it you that sent me two death threats yesterday?).
Commentable is spelled 'commendable' (unless you meant its comment - able?).
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Why did you fabricate a false report about threats?
Why can't you decipher English words? |
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guavashake
Joined: 09 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| le-paul wrote: |
maybe, there was one incident that sticks in my mind regarding abuse a few years ago in daegu where some teachers were accused of abusing over 70 girls and boys.
I also remember a man being arrested for the murder of over 100 people only a few years back.
Its the scale of it thats the problem. |
Now you are fabricating a story of a mass murder. |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| le-paul wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
| le-paul wrote: |
| There are so many tinder pots waiting to explode and peoples fingers are going to get burned unless something is addressed. I mean how many people have to get run down by cars, roll over in buses, have buildings collapse on them, get physically/sexually abused by teachers, animals hurled off buildings (by adults no less) etc. before the government step up and admit that things need to change? |
You make it sound like these things are endemic (although the car thing I might slightly agree with), when it's just as random, and rare, as in other countries. Seriously, can a year go by without something in the paper about a teacher sexually abusing someone in the US? |
maybe, there was one incident that sticks in my mind regarding abuse a few years ago in daegu where some teachers were accused of abusing over 70 girls and boys.
I also remember a man being arrested for the murder of over 100 people only a few years back.
Its the scale of it thats the problem. |
21 is the record for Korean serial killers.
And the abuse of 70 students was committed by other students, not teachers. Although it was covered up for a while, and parents of the victims also didn't want to 'shame' themselves. And even wanted the whistle-blowing teacher to be punished for revealing the incident up the chain of command.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwangju_Inhwa_School
http://asiancorrespondent.com/22708/daegu-sex-abuse-case-ends-with-no-charges/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoo_Young-chul |
ok, the story was reported at the time as being by the teachers in the local newspaper. Ill see if i can find a record of the murders tonight. |
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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Unbelievable. Will nothing be learnt? |
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asylum seeker
Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Location: On your computer screen.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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More lies exposed:
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Captain Lee Jun-seok is seen climbing off the heavily listed ferry into a rescue boat, dressed in only a shirt and underpants.
The video contradicts the disgraced captain’s claim to an investigation team that he was physically hurt and unable to save any passengers. In the video, he climbs steadily off the ferry and into the rescue boat.
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When asked why they saved the ferry’s crew while hundreds of passengers were trapped inside, Lee said they could not distinguish crew members from passengers because they were wearing life vests, which obscured the uniforms they wore underneath.
That explanation, however, is expected to be derided, as five people shown in the video being rescued at 9:39 a.m. were dressed in identical blue uniforms. |
http://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=2988582&cloc=joongangdaily|home|top
Before any real change can happen there needs to less excuses and more honesty. |
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jazzmaster
Joined: 30 Sep 2013
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| le=paul wrote: |
Commentable is spelled 'commendable' (unless you meant its comment - able?).
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Sorry to disagree with you.
commentable is a related form of comment.
commentable is in dictionaries.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/commentable
You are scrutinizing me, but you are the one who doesn't understand English well.
Where did you go to school?
If you have a degree, where did you get it?
Why are you fabricating a false story about threats? |
I've only seen it in one dictionary, which is the link you provided, and that link actually takes us to the definition of "comment".
I don't think it's a proper work yet, and I wouldn't advise students to use it. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:10 am Post subject: |
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| le-paul wrote: |
This disaster is indicative of everything that is wrong with Korea.
Outdated values.
Disorganisation.
General selfishness.
No regard for life.
Superficial morals.
Lack of real leadership.
General incompetence.
The inability to learn from ones mistakes.
The inability to share information.
Poor/non existent health and safety.
Corner cutting on cost resulting in dangerous practices.
Arrogance.
Ignorance.
Sexism.
Finger pointing/blame culture.
People not able to take any type of criticism/constructive advice.
Lack of training for a particular position.
General indifference.
Inability to think creatively.
Lacking in practical leadership skills.
Putting money-self above other.
General insensitivity - lack of empathy for other humans.
(There are more but I haven't drank coffee yet).
All of the above fit into the disaster somewhere. You can decide yourself where. |
Excellent list. However, it could be also argued that this list is incomplete.
I'd also add:
Inability to face up to a serious alcohol problem which seriously undermines competence in the workplace (was the captain of the ferry really as sloshed as it was alleged?)
Siege mentality
Inferiority complex
Serious lack of productivity in the workplace/educational establishments
Always talking the talk but never ever walking the walk (always talking about manners but rarely showing any)
Peasant mentality (a monkey in a suit is still a monkey at the end of the day
An obsession with window dressing
Terrible communication skills
That's all for now - did I miss anything? |
I might add that your list of traits is a dead ringer for a lot of the complainers on Dave's. |
Unfortunately, it is a dead ringer for lists/complaints that people have.
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True enough, but if it also describes the Dave's complainers, how much of that is unique to Korea? Sometimes with all of these complaints you do have to wonder about projection.
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| SR is right guys. One guy using a common saying that might be construed as racist if you squint your eyes completely discredits any criticism of Korea ever made on this site. |
No, the point is that there is difference between comment, observation, and well-constructed criticism, and barely masked bigotry. It's not about making the country better, it's about putting the locals down in order to make themselves feel better. Korea could fix every societal problem and give them a free car and they'd complain that they couldn't choose the color and blame it on "culture". |
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
Location: Insert witty remark HERE
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:12 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
No, the point is that there is difference between comment, observation, and well-constructed criticism, and barely masked bigotry. It's not about making the country better, it's about putting the locals down in order to make themselves feel better. Korea could fix every societal problem and give them a free car and they'd complain that they couldn't choose the color and blame it on "culture". |
Yeah, and a Korean man could captain a ship, have it sink, order children to stay in their flooding rooms, hide his crew uniform, be one of the first ones off the ship, lie about being injured and be found drying his money instead of worrying about the trapped people on his ship and you'd defend him because he was Korean.
Except only one of those things actually happened. So who's the racist one? |
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