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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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 Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 4:02 am Post subject: |
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| Mr. BlackCat wrote: |
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No, the point is that there is difference between comment, observation, and well-constructed criticism, and barely masked bigotry. It's not about making the country better, it's about putting the locals down in order to make themselves feel better. Korea could fix every societal problem and give them a free car and they'd complain that they couldn't choose the color and blame it on "culture". |
Yeah, and a Korean man could captain a ship, have it sink, order children to stay in their flooding rooms, hide his crew uniform, be one of the first ones off the ship, lie about being injured and be found drying his money instead of worrying about the trapped people on his ship and you'd defend him because he was Korean.
Except only one of those things actually happened. So who's the racist one? |
Wrong. I didn't defend HIM. I said he should face a tribunal for abandoning the ship so early (and having a gut wish for him to face the firing squad) and being negligent in its safety oversight. My point was that for ANY captain, that evacuation order issue is a really difficult one to pin down given the time frame and potential risk to passengers.
I'll give an example of an event and why I think that way- Karl Donitz, Commander-in-Chief of the German Navy from 1943-onward during WWII was brought up on war crimes charges at Nuremburg. He was cleared of one charge, convicted of two, and for one of his convictions he had no prison time added. The reason for this was he was accused of waging unrestricted submarine warfare. However, evidence was shown that the Allies had done this as well and many Allied Naval officers found the charge distasteful. Now, Donitz is a war criminal and a Nazi. He was guilty of violations, but that doesn't mean you declare him guilty of all charges simply because he was guilty of two others. There was also an issue that drew attention as being an undeserved charge even though he may be "technically" guilty. And people actually took time to point this out and make the distinction. That didn't mean they supported him or Nazism or supported him because he was German. I see a similar (not directly comparable) thing here with the evacuation order. If the timeline is accurate, then I really can't see the clear-cut case for convicting him of it, and I think people are underestimating the lack of information available to the crew, and the risk involved in ordering all hands on deck during such a situation and how that can affect such a decision.
Or another example- How many of you have done a cooking lesson in class? Have you ever had something start to smoke and smolder? Did you order an instant evacuation of the entire school? Of course you didn't. You told the kids to back away while you took care of it. What if the thing had suddenly turned into a raging inferno that engulfed the entire building in minutes? Are you just as negligent? Would you have any idea that the thing would turn into a fireball? Would you be trying to save face? Would it be because of your culture? Maybe you're guilty of bringing in unsafe materials into the class. Maybe you're guilty of pulling a George Costanza and running out of the building. But that decision to not instantly evacuate the school because of a smoldering dish of whatever is not something I would blame you for. |
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Ralph Winfield
Joined: 23 Apr 2013
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 4:22 am Post subject: |
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I'd also add:
Inability to face up to a serious alcohol problem which seriously undermines competence in the workplace (was the captain of the ferry really as sloshed as it was alleged?)
Siege mentality
Inferiority complex
Serious lack of productivity in the workplace/educational establishments
Always talking the talk but never ever walking the walk (always talking about manners but rarely showing any)
Peasant mentality (a monkey in a suit is still a monkey at the end of the day
An obsession with window dressing
Terrible communication skills
That's all for now - did I miss anything? |
People wonder why apologists say bashing is bigoted, when they say "we're just telling the truth" or "we're just commenting and offering criticism".
Now we have Koreans called subhuman and compared to monkeys. |
SR, don't you post at Korean Sentry where Gaemanusa and Chuckie refer to Caucasians as Tightey Whiteys and claim that Africans are niglets and chimps and siminans? That you do not sink to their level is commendable. That monkey thing was not obviously meant to be taken literally. (At least, one should hope not!) |
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guavashake
Joined: 09 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 5:09 am Post subject: |
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| jazzmaster wrote: |
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| le=paul wrote: |
Commentable is spelled 'commendable' (unless you meant its comment - able?).
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Sorry to disagree with you.
commentable is a related form of comment.
commentable is in dictionaries.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/commentable
You are scrutinizing me, but you are the one who doesn't understand English well.
Where did you go to school?
If you have a degree, where did you get it?
Why are you fabricating a false story about threats? |
I've only seen it in one dictionary, which is the link you provided, and that link actually takes us to the definition of "comment".
I don't think it's a proper work yet, and I wouldn't advise students to use it. |
Its not a proper work? WTF?
Of course its listed under the main word, which is comment.
All of the related forms of the word are listed after the main word.
That's how a dictionary works!
You wouldn't advise students? You display your ignorance of dictionaries, while setting yourself up as some kind of linguistics authority.
That's funny.
You've only seen it in one dictionary, the one that I linked to because you don't know how to use the internet and you don't know how to use a dictionary. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 5:18 am Post subject: |
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| Ralph Winfield wrote: |
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I'd also add:
Inability to face up to a serious alcohol problem which seriously undermines competence in the workplace (was the captain of the ferry really as sloshed as it was alleged?)
Siege mentality
Inferiority complex
Serious lack of productivity in the workplace/educational establishments
Always talking the talk but never ever walking the walk (always talking about manners but rarely showing any)
Peasant mentality (a monkey in a suit is still a monkey at the end of the day
An obsession with window dressing
Terrible communication skills
That's all for now - did I miss anything? |
People wonder why apologists say bashing is bigoted, when they say "we're just telling the truth" or "we're just commenting and offering criticism".
Now we have Koreans called subhuman and compared to monkeys. |
SR, don't you post at Korean Sentry where Gaemanusa and Chuckie refer to Caucasians as Tightey Whiteys and claim that Africans are niglets and chimps and siminans? That you do not sink to their level is commendable. That monkey thing was not obviously meant to be taken literally. (At least, one should hope not!) |
I have never posted at that site. I have never had an affiliation with any other Korea site besides Gorf's. Dave's is enough as it is. |
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guavashake
Joined: 09 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 6:02 am Post subject: |
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| jazzmaster wrote: |
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| le=paul wrote: |
Commentable is spelled 'commendable' (unless you meant its comment - able?).
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Sorry to disagree with you.
commentable is a related form of comment.
commentable is in dictionaries.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/commentable
You are scrutinizing me, but you are the one who doesn't understand English well.
Where did you go to school?
If you have a degree, where did you get it?
Why are you fabricating a false story about threats? |
I've only seen it in one dictionary, which is the link you provided, and that link actually takes us to the definition of "comment".
I don't think it's a proper work yet, and I wouldn't advise students to use it. |
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/commentable
There's another link, braniac.
You don't know how to use a dictionary, and you don't know to use the internet.
Its a Black Swan Fallacy. I have never seen it, therefore it doesn't exist.
The things you haven't seen would make up another world just about the same size as this one. |
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guavashake
Joined: 09 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 6:10 am Post subject: |
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| le-paul wrote: |
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| There are so many tinder pots waiting to explode and peoples fingers are going to get burned unless something is addressed. I mean how many people have to get run down by cars, roll over in buses, have buildings collapse on them, get physically/sexually abused by teachers, animals hurled off buildings (by adults no less) etc. before the government step up and admit that things need to change? |
You make it sound like these things are endemic (although the car thing I might slightly agree with), when it's just as random, and rare, as in other countries. Seriously, can a year go by without something in the paper about a teacher sexually abusing someone in the US? |
maybe, there was one incident that sticks in my mind regarding abuse a few years ago in daegu where some teachers were accused of abusing over 70 girls and boys.
I also remember a man being arrested for the murder of over 100 people only a few years back.
Its the scale of it thats the problem. |
Your false fabrication of death threats and your false fabrication of mass murders is commentable. |
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Jodami
Joined: 08 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 6:28 am Post subject: |
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Good ole SR - as predictable as ever when it comes to us big bad whites 'insulting' Koreans. My comment was a standard phrase we use in the UK to describe a person of ANY race/nationality.
Just had to go crying racism like a little bedwetter......eh SR?
For the record I believe westerners are generally very tolerant having to deal with a lot of Koreans who are steeped in ignorance/bigotry/prejudice/racism. We should be congratulated for not lowering ourselves to the locals' level.  |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 6:46 am Post subject: |
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Good ole SR - as predictable as ever when it comes to us big bad whites 'insulting' Koreans. My comment was a standard phrase we use in the UK to describe a person of ANY race/nationality.
Just had to go crying racism like a little bedwetter......eh SR?
For the record I believe westerners are generally very tolerant having to deal with a lot of Koreans who are steeped in ignorance/bigotry/prejudice/racism. We should be congratulated for not lowering ourselves to the locals' level. |
So making allusions to minorities and monkeys is not a big deal in the UK? Funny, because there are clearly examples from association football where fans linking black players and monkeys has been widely condemned.
And weren't we taking Koreans to task for their Africa brand cigarettes and the use of the monkey mascot? And I do believe you did pipe up on that.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=230457&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75
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Koreans calling fellow humans monkeys?
LMAO@ their massive inferior complex, and total double standards. Rolling Eyes
It's funny, I was at a BBQ the other night (outside of Korea) and I got chatting to a Korean guy. So, he asked me what I thought about Korea/Koreans. He was a tad surprised (to say the least), when I gave him a full round down, of how racist Koreans are to foreigners. Twisted Evil
Even funnier, was when another guest (a guy who worked for a semester in Japan) at the BBQ, piped up that Korea was definitely now off of his list of places, to ever visit. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy |
So which is it? Is the use of a monkey mascot offensive (a monkey dressed in a Sherlock Holmes suit), but your comparing them to monkeys in suits is not?
Let's see your fancy legerdemain on this one. |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| There are so many tinder pots waiting to explode and peoples fingers are going to get burned unless something is addressed. I mean how many people have to get run down by cars, roll over in buses, have buildings collapse on them, get physically/sexually abused by teachers, animals hurled off buildings (by adults no less) etc. before the government step up and admit that things need to change? |
You make it sound like these things are endemic (although the car thing I might slightly agree with), when it's just as random, and rare, as in other countries. Seriously, can a year go by without something in the paper about a teacher sexually abusing someone in the US? |
Ok, Ive done some searching on the internet and nothing has come up apart from the cases in Mirjang and Daegu and the Gwangju case. Im pretty sure the story was in 2010/2011 and around 4/5 teachers were involved in Suseong gu, Daegu.
As for the murders, I cant find anything - at all. I remember clearly something happening because the parents were very skittish at the time. All that's come back are the same links you posted. I also remember the police never caught him until it was well over 100 - maybe you can put me right as I cant understand korean very well and theres nothing in English.
Anyway, no I dont think its endemic.
However, if I were to do a risk assessment or a scientific study on causality or chaos theory or something to that effect, Id say the likelihood of an incident happening is more or less inevitable and easy to predict when certain factors are involved - peoples attitudes being one of them (Im thinking of mountaineering deaths for example I know of due to arrogance and negligence that could have been avoided).
The world is full of stories that will attest to that. As far as I can see, this place was/is a ticking time bomb.
Just another example but do you remember the nuclear power plants failing inspection? Japan was unlucky enough to have a serious accident but that could just as easily as been the plant in Gyeongju last year. |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:30 am Post subject: |
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Why did you fabricate a false report about threats?
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Because every time I say something negative about Koreans, I get death threats. You seem like the type of poster who would send them.
Its not a fabrication, here it is;
Die painfully okay? Prefearbly by getting crushed to death in a
garbage compactor, or by getting your cranium smashed in.
die painfully fucktard.
STFU s_ithead, before you get your head kicked in.
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:33 am Post subject: |
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| le-paul wrote: |
Because every time I say something negative about Koreans, I get death threats. You seem like the type of poster who would send them.
Its not a fabrication, here it is;
Die painfully okay? Prefearbly by getting crushed to death in a
garbage compactor, or by getting your cranium smashed in.
die painfully fucktard.
STFU s_ithead, before you get your head kicked in.
Sat Apr 26, 2014 2:48 pm |
le-paul, the comedian in me is forced to chuckle at the fact that somehow the filters and censors let 'tard' go through but edited out 'fecalhead'. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:44 am Post subject: |
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| le-paul wrote: |
| As for the murders, I cant find anything - at all. I remember clearly something happening because the parents were very skittish at the time. All that's come back are the same links you posted. I also remember the police never caught him until it was well over 100 - maybe you can put me right as I cant understand korean very well and theres nothing in English. |
You remembered incorrectly. Some investigator was quoted saying:
"He said he would have killed more than 100 people had he not been arrested..."
http://murderpedia.org/male.Y/y/young-chul.htm
(didn't even know there is a 'murderpedia' until today...)
As for teachers, the only one that I know of involving more than one teacher at the same school is the Gwangju-area case (. Any other case involves a lone teacher doing something bad, and others covering it up. Also, often it's the parents not wanting to take it further. Considering the internet these days, the old-guard are realizing it's basically pointless trying to cover-up things these days, and are even promoting people for exposing things. What they probably need is change laws so, under certain conditions, the cops automatically press charges to take the suspects away and investigate (not just for school cases, but domestic abuse too), since 'saving-face' is so ingrained in Asian culture. Instead of just dropping the issue because of uncooperative suspects and victims.
Back to the sewol issue... saw the following video. It seems the kids didn't even realize how serious it was too. It's sad watching it, the kids are just laughing, waiting, and expecting to be saved...
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=528334497277673
I wonder why the rescuers didn't smash as many windows open as possible before the boat went under? At least that would have given some people a fighting chance to get out. |
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uklathemock
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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That video is so messed up. Couldn't watch all of it....  |
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guavashake
Joined: 09 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| le-paul wrote: |
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Why did you fabricate a false report about threats?
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Because every time I say something negative about Koreans, I get death threats. You seem like the type of poster who would send them.
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Firstly, you seem like the type of person who fabricates false stories, because you fabricated a false story about serial killing or mass murder of 100 people.
You say "every time" you disparage Koreans, you receive threats.
This indicates you perform an action over and over again.
But, you are unhappy with the results of your action.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Albert Einstein
I think you are performing another action over and over again. Fabricating false stories, like the boy who cried wolf.
Your fabrication of false stories is remarkable. |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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So it was you!
신 고 할 거 에 요! |
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