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Newbie
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Two questions that pop up for me, and I may be wong in my undestadning, but:
First, when they go on about the gov't saying they sent so many people to help in the effort (600 divers, 70 resuce boats etc), but then having witnesses say they didn't see that many or that civilarn divers were turned away. Weren't there weather problems that prevented peopl from searching?
Second, going on about her promises in her campaign about improving safety: hasn't she only been president for about a year? These things take time to setup, no? |
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hiamnotcool
Joined: 06 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 11:05 am Post subject: |
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A lot of Koreans that normally have little interest in politics are supporting this. I know because my wife is one of them. I don't believe any faction of government would have weathered this storm very well. Korea is deeply entrenched in a lot of under the table dealings in every facet of life. This trajedy made a lot of Koreans angry at their government.
The woman that created the advertisment and wants it to appear in the NYT paper lives in America. |
Well if your wife supports it, it must be legit. Oh, wait the woman that created the advertisement lives in America? Totally legit!
Forget it, lets take all the money that could be used to help the families during this time and use it to bash a politician! Excellent idea! |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Died By Bear wrote: |
A lot of Koreans that normally have little interest in politics are supporting this. I know because my wife is one of them. I don't believe any faction of government would have weathered this storm very well. Korea is deeply entrenched in a lot of under the table dealings in every facet of life. This trajedy made a lot of Koreans angry at their government.
The woman that created the advertisment and wants it to appear in the NYT paper lives in America. |
Well if your wife supports it, it must be legit. Oh, wait the woman that created the advertisement lives in America? Totally legit!
Forget it, lets take all the money that could be used to help the families during this time and use it to bash a politician! Excellent idea! |
Hey if she's correct about the vibe she's getting from Korean friends, there's going to be a riot in Korea soon! Take cover quick!  |
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maximmm
Joined: 01 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| If they really wanted to make a dent, they should have asked Kenye to make 'Park hates Korean people' ad. |
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andrewchon
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Why not? Folks are not happy. Taxes have gone up. Kim Yuna didn't win. Itinerant workers at my goshiwon are complaining that there are no jobs.  |
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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2014 5:17 am Post subject: |
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The ad ran on Sunday in the New York Times but many Koreans and Korean-Americans are not happy about the ad. My advice? They should have raised money for the victims' families, as well. It would have given them more credibility. Now it looks like politically motivated attacks and nothing more.
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20140512001574
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2014/05/116_156973.html
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NYT ad on Sewol stirs dispute
Not everyone happy about ad critical of President Park
By Jane Han
NEW YORK ― Another New York Times ad is stirring controversy. But this time, it’s not about bibimbap, bulgogi or Dokdo. It’s about the sunken ferry Sewol.
Last week, a group of Koreans in Los Angeles launched a fundraising campaign to sponsor a full-page ad in the New York Times denouncing the Park Geun-hye administration’s handling of the Sewol ferry disaster.
Their goal was to raise just over $58,000, the estimated amount needed to purchase a New York Times advertisement. But in a little over a week, they raised almost $160,000 funded by more than 4,000 people.
The ad is expected to run soon, but not everyone is happy about a full-page ad criticizing the Korean government.
''I understand people are angry. We are all furious about the tragedy, but what do we get out of publicly condemning the government in a New York Times ad? What’s with all these New York Times ads anyway?’’ says John, 44, a PR firm executive in New York who didn’t want to disclose his last name.
''Being in the marketing and public relations industry, I know that this newspaper ad is going to do very little to help organizers get what they want,’’ he said.
An image of the proposed ad on indiegogo.com, an international crowd-funding platform used for the campaign, shows the headline, ''Sewol ferry has sunk, so has the Park administration.’’
It goes on to say, ''Who’s responsible for these numbers? The Park administration! We all continue to count the numbers until all who are missing return home.’’
The ad, in black and white, has been created by volunteer designers and copywriters, according to organizers.
''We know from past New York Times ads, for example, the recent Choo Shin-soo bulgogi ad, that these campaigns just end up puzzling people,’’ says Choi Sue-young, 34, a graphic designer in New Jersey. ''I don’t know if this one is going to be any different. Let’s just hope so.’’
Organizers seem confident about their agenda. So why the New York Times?
''In the recent South Korean ferry tragedy, 302 passengers lost their lives or are still missing. While this event has raised specific concerns about the Park administration’s disaster control efforts, it has also ignited outrage over a larger issue in South Korea: government censorship and the suppression of free speech,’’ according to the campaign’s indiegogo page.
''By placing an ad in the New York Times, we want the world to know the ugly truth of the current administration, and hope the ad would help start the conversation to bring changes in Korea,’’ it said.
Supporters of the ad campaign, many of them vocal on MissyUSA, the largest online community among Koreans, are also determined to push forward.
''If we can’t correct our own problems, we need to get help from outside. It’s not a time to worry about national pride. We can’t go through another tragedy like this,’’ wrote one user, who claimed to have donated money several times to fund the ad.
As debate continues between those for and against the campaign, the New York Times ad is expected to run soon since the funding ended on May 9.
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2014 5:35 am Post subject: |
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| dairyairy wrote: |
The ad ran on Sunday in the New York Times but many Koreans and Korean-Americans are not happy about the ad. My advice? They should have raised money for the victims' families, as well. It would have given them more credibility. Now it looks like politically motivated attacks and nothing more.
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20140512001574
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2014/05/116_156973.html
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NYT ad on Sewol stirs dispute
Not everyone happy about ad critical of President Park
By Jane Han
NEW YORK ― Another New York Times ad is stirring controversy. But this time, it’s not about bibimbap, bulgogi or Dokdo. It’s about the sunken ferry Sewol.
Last week, a group of Koreans in Los Angeles launched a fundraising campaign to sponsor a full-page ad in the New York Times denouncing the Park Geun-hye administration’s handling of the Sewol ferry disaster.
Their goal was to raise just over $58,000, the estimated amount needed to purchase a New York Times advertisement. But in a little over a week, they raised almost $160,000 funded by more than 4,000 people.
The ad is expected to run soon, but not everyone is happy about a full-page ad criticizing the Korean government.
''I understand people are angry. We are all furious about the tragedy, but what do we get out of publicly condemning the government in a New York Times ad? What’s with all these New York Times ads anyway?’’ says John, 44, a PR firm executive in New York who didn’t want to disclose his last name.
''Being in the marketing and public relations industry, I know that this newspaper ad is going to do very little to help organizers get what they want,’’ he said.
An image of the proposed ad on indiegogo.com, an international crowd-funding platform used for the campaign, shows the headline, ''Sewol ferry has sunk, so has the Park administration.’’
It goes on to say, ''Who’s responsible for these numbers? The Park administration! We all continue to count the numbers until all who are missing return home.’’
The ad, in black and white, has been created by volunteer designers and copywriters, according to organizers.
''We know from past New York Times ads, for example, the recent Choo Shin-soo bulgogi ad, that these campaigns just end up puzzling people,’’ says Choi Sue-young, 34, a graphic designer in New Jersey. ''I don’t know if this one is going to be any different. Let’s just hope so.’’
Organizers seem confident about their agenda. So why the New York Times?
''In the recent South Korean ferry tragedy, 302 passengers lost their lives or are still missing. While this event has raised specific concerns about the Park administration’s disaster control efforts, it has also ignited outrage over a larger issue in South Korea: government censorship and the suppression of free speech,’’ according to the campaign’s indiegogo page.
''By placing an ad in the New York Times, we want the world to know the ugly truth of the current administration, and hope the ad would help start the conversation to bring changes in Korea,’’ it said.
Supporters of the ad campaign, many of them vocal on MissyUSA, the largest online community among Koreans, are also determined to push forward.
''If we can’t correct our own problems, we need to get help from outside. It’s not a time to worry about national pride. We can’t go through another tragedy like this,’’ wrote one user, who claimed to have donated money several times to fund the ad.
As debate continues between those for and against the campaign, the New York Times ad is expected to run soon since the funding ended on May 9.
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Why do you have to raise money for the victims' families, who are going to get plenty, to appear legitimate? Is no criticism allowed if it doesn't follow some accepted protocol?
John doesn't want to give his last name. Why should anyone listen to him? Who is he really speaking for? |
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