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jazzmaster
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 Posted: Sat May 24, 2014 8:52 pm Post subject: korea university hospital |
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| Has anyone ever been to the hospital/international clinic at Korea university? If so, how was it? |
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jackson7
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In general, university-affiliated hospitals in Korea are regarded as the bee's knees, and thus generally require a referral from a local hospital or clinic before you can make an appointment. I imagine this helps keep the hospital from becoming unbelievably overbooked, despite the fact that university hospitals also tend to be more expensive (which went against my assumptions, having gone to university dental clinics in the States during my own college days).
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GENO123
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2014 7:58 am Post subject: |
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The international clinics in Korea are pretty good and Korean hospitals often have better equipment than US hospitals.
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| In general, university-affiliated hospitals in Korea are regarded as the bee's knees, and thus generally require a referral from a local hospital or clinic before you can make an appointment. I imagine this helps keep the hospital from becoming unbelievably overbooked, despite the fact that university hospitals also tend to be more expensive (which went against my assumptions, having gone to university dental clinics in the States during my own college days) |
One can get an appointment no problem it will just cost more w/o a referral |
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jackson7
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 1:08 am Post subject: |
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The international clinics in Korea are pretty good and Korean hospitals often have better equipment than US hospitals.
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| In general, university-affiliated hospitals in Korea are regarded as the bee's knees, and thus generally require a referral from a local hospital or clinic before you can make an appointment. I imagine this helps keep the hospital from becoming unbelievably overbooked, despite the fact that university hospitals also tend to be more expensive (which went against my assumptions, having gone to university dental clinics in the States during my own college days) |
One can get an appointment no problem it will just cost more w/o a referral |
No, you can't, unless you're referring to bribery (which may or may not work):
International Patients with Korean Health Insurance
Severance Hospital is a tertiary level hospital, and under the stipulations of Korean Health Care Regulations, patients are required to visit primary level or secondary level health care facilities before they can proceed on to tertiary level health care facilities.
The best hospitals often get this "tertiary level" designation, so if you want to get treatment there, you'll need a referral.
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 1:15 am Post subject: |
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The international clinics in Korea are pretty good and Korean hospitals often have better equipment than US hospitals.
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| In general, university-affiliated hospitals in Korea are regarded as the bee's knees, and thus generally require a referral from a local hospital or clinic before you can make an appointment. I imagine this helps keep the hospital from becoming unbelievably overbooked, despite the fact that university hospitals also tend to be more expensive (which went against my assumptions, having gone to university dental clinics in the States during my own college days) |
One can get an appointment no problem it will just cost more w/o a referral |
Can you give some support to your contention regarding Korean hospitals OFTEN having better equipment than US ones? |
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jazzmaster
Joined: 30 Sep 2013
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 1:29 am Post subject: |
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The international clinics in Korea are pretty good and Korean hospitals often have better equipment than US hospitals.
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| In general, university-affiliated hospitals in Korea are regarded as the bee's knees, and thus generally require a referral from a local hospital or clinic before you can make an appointment. I imagine this helps keep the hospital from becoming unbelievably overbooked, despite the fact that university hospitals also tend to be more expensive (which went against my assumptions, having gone to university dental clinics in the States during my own college days) |
One can get an appointment no problem it will just cost more w/o a referral |
No, you can't, unless you're referring to bribery (which may or may not work):
International Patients with Korean Health Insurance
Severance Hospital is a tertiary level hospital, and under the stipulations of Korean Health Care Regulations, patients are required to visit primary level or secondary level health care facilities before they can proceed on to tertiary level health care facilities.
The best hospitals often get this "tertiary level" designation, so if you want to get treatment there, you'll need a referral.
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I got an appointment at the international clinic.
Edit for update
I went to the international clinic and the doctor their referred me to the dermatologist. I had to pay for the referral and pay for the dermatologist meeting. I was given drugs and a small operation was performed. I have a return appointment, and I will go straight to the dermatology department so won't have to pay the referral again.
The doctors all spoke passable English, the only down side was the long wait at the dermatology department. |
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GENO123
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 7:15 am Post subject: |
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Anyone can go to any hospital they want to. If they don't have a referral it will cost more that is all .
http://www.korea4expats.com/article-seoul-hospitals-intl-clinics.html
http://kmhglobal.com/h/find_my_clinic/Profile/GeneralHospital/Korea_University_Anam_Hospital/1009
http://eng.hallym.or.kr/ptp401.asp
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| As an integrated and special medical center (tertiary medical facility), Ajou University Hospital stipulates that patients under the Korean National Health Insurance Policy, with a letter of consultation (referral) issued by the primary or secondary medical facilities and with physical check-up report, are eligible for Korean National Health Insurance benefits. However, patients who would like to see doctors at Family Medicine, Dentistry, Rehabilitation, Emergency, or Obstetrics departments, or those with hemophilia, are eligible for health insurance benefits without “A letter of consultation (referral)” |
you just pay more the regular price w/o as if you had no insurance
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GENO123
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 7:22 am Post subject: |
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The international clinics in Korea are pretty good and Korean hospitals often have better equipment than US hospitals.
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| In general, university-affiliated hospitals in Korea are regarded as the bee's knees, and thus generally require a referral from a local hospital or clinic before you can make an appointment. I imagine this helps keep the hospital from becoming unbelievably overbooked, despite the fact that university hospitals also tend to be more expensive (which went against my assumptions, having gone to university dental clinics in the States during my own college days) |
One can get an appointment no problem it will just cost more w/o a referral |
Can you give some support to your contention regarding Korean hospitals OFTEN having better equipment than US ones? |
They have better MRI machines , better CT machines , they often have Varian systems or Aacuray machines for cancer.
http://www.varian.com/
http://www.accuray.com/
Many Korea hospitals have Davinci Machines for Robot surgery.
http://www.intuitivesurgical.com/
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Due to gradually increasing demand for robotic surgery in Korea, the Silicon Valley-based corporation set up a branch in Seoul in order to be closer to Korean patients.
“Korea is an important place for Intuitive to be in the region because Korean surgeons and Korean medical system are ahead of the world in many places in terms of surgical technical development and innovation in surgery,” said Guthart.
“It was really important for Intuitive to be a full partner in Korea and to be a full partner means that we have great staff so we can be in close contact with Korean surgeons and understand the needs of Korean patients and be full participants in Korean society.”
Intuitive sold the first robot system to Korea in 2005. Yonsei University Hospital completed its 10,000th surgery with da Vinci on Nov. 11, “which is the highest experience of any single institution in the world,” he added.
“There are bigger population centers in Asia. So our motivation has been not because the Korean market is so big, but it’s the leadership position of the country. And the leadership comes from surgeons’ deep commitment to patient outcomes.”
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http://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/article/Article.aspx?aid=2981815
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Report: Terrell Owens is in Korea for stem cell treatment
By MJD
Report: Terrell Owens is in Korea for stem cell treatmentBack in the day, an NFL player would tear up his knee and say, "Ah, I'll just rub some dirt on it and go play." We've evolved past that now. We're at least to the point where a guy will insist on rubbing some Korean dirt on it before going back out and playing.
Terrell Owens is in Korea right now, according to the Korea Times, looking for a stem cell treatment he couldn't get here in the states. Owens tore his ACL a couple of months ago, and I guess it's not healing as fast as he wants it to. Take it away, Korea Times:
Terrell Owens(notes), one of the NFL's most celebrated players, is in Korea to undergo treatment for a knee injury at a local hospital on a three-day visit from Sunday.
The wide receiver, now a free agent, will also have stem cells collected as part of the treatment, Lee Jung-no, doctor and president of the Chaum Anti-Aging center, said in a phone interview Monday.
"Mr. Owens starts with therapy Monday followed by the collecting and storing of his stem cells the next day," Lee said.
Owens has always had a thing for non-traditional remedies, as he guzzled Tahitian Noni juice and credited it with getting him ready to play in Super Bowl XXXIX. He's always been a fast healer and kept himself in ridiculous physical condition, so if he believes Korean stem cells are the way to go, I'm in no position to question it. He's not the only one going this route, either. Peyton Manning tried something similar, too.
Owens clearly wants back in the NFL very badly. Perhaps this is the reason. But I'm just not convinced that, even with a healthy knee, that someone's going to give him a call. The perception is that there's just too much baggage with him. A young, rebuilding team would rather look at its young guys. An established, contending team isn't going to risk its team chemistry. His chances are better than Jeff George's, but with a knee that isn't healing, I'm skeptical.
But I wish him the best. Take good care of him, Korean health care system. |
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Report-Terrell-Owens-is-in-Korea-for-stem-cell-?urn=nfl-wp7544
It pains me to say all of that. I wish the US did have the best stuff in their hospital but all too often they don't |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| GENO123 wrote: |
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| GENO123 wrote: |
The international clinics in Korea are pretty good and Korean hospitals often have better equipment than US hospitals.
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| In general, university-affiliated hospitals in Korea are regarded as the bee's knees, and thus generally require a referral from a local hospital or clinic before you can make an appointment. I imagine this helps keep the hospital from becoming unbelievably overbooked, despite the fact that university hospitals also tend to be more expensive (which went against my assumptions, having gone to university dental clinics in the States during my own college days) |
One can get an appointment no problem it will just cost more w/o a referral |
Can you give some support to your contention regarding Korean hospitals OFTEN having better equipment than US ones? |
They have better MRI machines , better CT machines , they often have Varian systems or Aacuray machines for cancer.
http://www.varian.com/
http://www.accuray.com/
Many Korea hospitals have Davinci Machines for Robot surgery.
http://www.intuitivesurgical.com/
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Due to gradually increasing demand for robotic surgery in Korea, the Silicon Valley-based corporation set up a branch in Seoul in order to be closer to Korean patients.
“Korea is an important place for Intuitive to be in the region because Korean surgeons and Korean medical system are ahead of the world in many places in terms of surgical technical development and innovation in surgery,” said Guthart.
“It was really important for Intuitive to be a full partner in Korea and to be a full partner means that we have great staff so we can be in close contact with Korean surgeons and understand the needs of Korean patients and be full participants in Korean society.”
Intuitive sold the first robot system to Korea in 2005. Yonsei University Hospital completed its 10,000th surgery with da Vinci on Nov. 11, “which is the highest experience of any single institution in the world,” he added.
“There are bigger population centers in Asia. So our motivation has been not because the Korean market is so big, but it’s the leadership position of the country. And the leadership comes from surgeons’ deep commitment to patient outcomes.”
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http://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/article/Article.aspx?aid=2981815
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Report: Terrell Owens is in Korea for stem cell treatment
By MJD
Report: Terrell Owens is in Korea for stem cell treatmentBack in the day, an NFL player would tear up his knee and say, "Ah, I'll just rub some dirt on it and go play." We've evolved past that now. We're at least to the point where a guy will insist on rubbing some Korean dirt on it before going back out and playing.
Terrell Owens is in Korea right now, according to the Korea Times, looking for a stem cell treatment he couldn't get here in the states. Owens tore his ACL a couple of months ago, and I guess it's not healing as fast as he wants it to. Take it away, Korea Times:
Terrell Owens(notes), one of the NFL's most celebrated players, is in Korea to undergo treatment for a knee injury at a local hospital on a three-day visit from Sunday.
The wide receiver, now a free agent, will also have stem cells collected as part of the treatment, Lee Jung-no, doctor and president of the Chaum Anti-Aging center, said in a phone interview Monday.
"Mr. Owens starts with therapy Monday followed by the collecting and storing of his stem cells the next day," Lee said.
Owens has always had a thing for non-traditional remedies, as he guzzled Tahitian Noni juice and credited it with getting him ready to play in Super Bowl XXXIX. He's always been a fast healer and kept himself in ridiculous physical condition, so if he believes Korean stem cells are the way to go, I'm in no position to question it. He's not the only one going this route, either. Peyton Manning tried something similar, too.
Owens clearly wants back in the NFL very badly. Perhaps this is the reason. But I'm just not convinced that, even with a healthy knee, that someone's going to give him a call. The perception is that there's just too much baggage with him. A young, rebuilding team would rather look at its young guys. An established, contending team isn't going to risk its team chemistry. His chances are better than Jeff George's, but with a knee that isn't healing, I'm skeptical.
But I wish him the best. Take good care of him, Korean health care system. |
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Report-Terrell-Owens-is-in-Korea-for-stem-cell-?urn=nfl-wp7544
It pains me to say all of that. I wish the US did have the best stuff in their hospital but all too often they don't |
None of what you posted supports your statements.
The machines you linked to are manufactured in the U.S. Stands to reason American hospitals use them.
Stem cell treatment is unavailable in the U.S. because it is illegal, not because they can't do it. And it didn't work, as well.
Nice press release regarding robotics. But that's the first system in Korea; they sold the actual first system in 2000 in the U.S. As for the actual number of operations done at Yonsei, that just shows how busy Yonsei is. Which makes the company selling them equipment very happy with the Korean market.
Do you have any real proof that, on the whole, Korean hospitals are better equipped than American ones? |
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GENO123
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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one of what you posted supports your statements.
The machines you linked to are manufactured in the U.S. Stands to reason American hospitals use them.
Stem cell treatment is unavailable in the U.S. because it is illegal, not because they can't do it. And it didn't work, as well.
Nice press release regarding robotics. But that's the first system in Korea; they sold the actual first system in 2000 in the U.S. As for the actual number of operations done at Yonsei, that just shows how busy Yonsei is. Which makes the company selling them equipment very happy with the Korean market.
Do you have any real proof that, on the whole, Korean hospitals are better equipped than American ones? |
i am welll aware that the machines are made in the USA but they are expensive so many US hospitals don't have them. Often if someone wants a certain machine in the US they are going to have to travel to a different city be able to get access to one.
There are CT machines that give instant pictures in the Us most hospitals don't have one. The MRI machines most US hospitals have are not the latest ones.
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]I COULD HAVE HAD THREE MAJOR OPERATIONS AT UNIV OF MIAMI . HAD THREE WITH DR________ WITH GOOD RESULTS SPENT WAY LESS TIME IN HOSPITAL AND RECOVERY WAS EASY GRANTED I MAY NEED PLATES LATER ON BUT I OPTED LESS INVASIVE SURGERY ALSO THEIR ARE JUST AS MANY HORROR STORIES WITH PLATES AND ADF, MOST OF OTHER BIG HOSPITALS WOULD CONSIDER LESS INVASIVE BUT TRAINING IS EXPENSIVE AND THEY GET PAID SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY JUST LIKE THEIR ARE CAT SCANS THAT SCAN IN MINUTES BUT NOT EVERY HOSPITAL HAS THEM I THOUGHT DR ______ TOLD IT LIKE IT WAS AND EXPLAINED EVERYTHING STAFF NOT THE BEST BUT I HAVE BEEN TO HARVARD AND OTHER BIG HOSPITALS AND IT IS ALL ALIKE
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Hospitals with outdated technology lose billions every year, study shows
May 15, 2013 at 3:28 pm
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Hospitals with outdated technology lose billions every year, study shows
While most of the rhetoric surrounding new healthcare equipment focuses on the benefits of adopting the latest technologies and how it will improve patient care and treatment costs, a new report sheds light on the staggering amount money hospitals stand to lose by holding out on buying new devices, USA Today reports. |
- See more at: http://mediaroom.marlinfinance.com/healthcare-equipment/hospitals-with-outdated-technology-lose-billions-every-year-study-shows/#sthash.dqq5ivWt.dpuf |
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atwood
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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one of what you posted supports your statements.
The machines you linked to are manufactured in the U.S. Stands to reason American hospitals use them.
Stem cell treatment is unavailable in the U.S. because it is illegal, not because they can't do it. And it didn't work, as well.
Nice press release regarding robotics. But that's the first system in Korea; they sold the actual first system in 2000 in the U.S. As for the actual number of operations done at Yonsei, that just shows how busy Yonsei is. Which makes the company selling them equipment very happy with the Korean market.
Do you have any real proof that, on the whole, Korean hospitals are better equipped than American ones? |
i am welll aware that the machines are made in the USA but they are expensive so many US hospitals don't have them. Often if someone wants a certain machine in the US they are going to have to travel to a different city be able to get access to one.
There are CT machines that give instant pictures in the Us most hospitals don't have one. The MRI machines most US hospitals have are not the latest ones.
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]I COULD HAVE HAD THREE MAJOR OPERATIONS AT UNIV OF MIAMI . HAD THREE WITH DR________ WITH GOOD RESULTS SPENT WAY LESS TIME IN HOSPITAL AND RECOVERY WAS EASY GRANTED I MAY NEED PLATES LATER ON BUT I OPTED LESS INVASIVE SURGERY ALSO THEIR ARE JUST AS MANY HORROR STORIES WITH PLATES AND ADF, MOST OF OTHER BIG HOSPITALS WOULD CONSIDER LESS INVASIVE BUT TRAINING IS EXPENSIVE AND THEY GET PAID SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY JUST LIKE THEIR ARE CAT SCANS THAT SCAN IN MINUTES BUT NOT EVERY HOSPITAL HAS THEM I THOUGHT DR ______ TOLD IT LIKE IT WAS AND EXPLAINED EVERYTHING STAFF NOT THE BEST BUT I HAVE BEEN TO HARVARD AND OTHER BIG HOSPITALS AND IT IS ALL ALIKE
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Hospitals with outdated technology lose billions every year, study shows
May 15, 2013 at 3:28 pm
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Hospitals with outdated technology lose billions every year, study shows
While most of the rhetoric surrounding new healthcare equipment focuses on the benefits of adopting the latest technologies and how it will improve patient care and treatment costs, a new report sheds light on the staggering amount money hospitals stand to lose by holding out on buying new devices, USA Today reports. |
- See more at: http://mediaroom.marlinfinance.com/healthcare-equipment/hospitals-with-outdated-technology-lose-billions-every-year-study-shows/#sthash.dqq5ivWt.dpuf |
The article you quote is about IT not medical equipment. The information is from a cybersecurity research group. Make of that what you will.
As for your other claims:
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| The availability of CT scanners and MRI units has increased rapidly in most OECD countries over the past two decades. Japan has, by far, the highest number of MRI and CT scanners per capita, followed by the United States for MRI units and by Australia for CT scanners (Figure 4.2.1 and Figure 4.2.2). At the other end of the scale, the number of MRI units and CT scanners were the lowest in Mexico, Hungary and Israel. |
As for CTs, yes Korea has 37 per million to the US's 34 million, but that makes sense considering CTs are often preferred for diagnosing cancer patients, which is a big problem in Korea (and probably where the money is for the hospitals). Of course, since CTs use radiation, they can also cause cancer. And CT scanners are cheaper.
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| If they were cameras, the CT scanner would be like taking a photo with the camera on a cheap cellular phone: the picture isn't as good as it would be if taken by a professional grade camera, but it's inexpensive, fast and convenient. In contrast, an MRI would be an expensive, professional-grade film camera. The picture quality is great, but the scan is expensive, and it takes a longer time until you can view the pictures. |
You're a long way from proving Korean hospitals are better equipped. |
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GENO123
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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Just wondering what is the resolution of the MRI machine at the hospital closets to your house back home? ( I checked)
Do they offer robotic surgery? Do they even offer minimally invasive surgery?How about Cyberknife (accuray) or Gammaknife (Varian)
A hospital like Ceders Sinai i probably has better stuff than what you find in Korea ,your average city hospital doesn't.
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| s for CTs, yes Korea has 37 per million to the US's 34 million, but that makes sense considering CTs are often preferred for diagnosing cancer patients, which is a big problem in Korea (and probably where the money is for the hospitals). Of course, since CTs use radiation, they can also cause cancer. And CT scanners are cheaper. |
There is a huge difference between the latest CT and the older models. CT are used for many things by the way like if someone is bleeding internally . |
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atwood
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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Just wondering what is the resolution of the MRI machine at the hospital closets to your house back home? ( I checked)
Do they offer robotic surgery? Do they even offer minimally invasive surgery?How about Cyberknife (accuray) or Gammaknife (Varian)
A hospital like Ceders Sinai i probably has better stuff than what you find in Korea ,your average city hospital doesn't.
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| s for CTs, yes Korea has 37 per million to the US's 34 million, but that makes sense considering CTs are often preferred for diagnosing cancer patients, which is a big problem in Korea (and probably where the money is for the hospitals). Of course, since CTs use radiation, they can also cause cancer. And CT scanners are cheaper. |
There is a huge difference between the latest CT and the older models. CT are used for many things by the way like if someone is bleeding internally . |
Your average hospital in Korea is a local clinic that doesn't have nearly the equipment you claim they do. They don't all have the latest and greatest.
Yonsei, your previous example, is not "your average city hospital." Even so, having been operated on at Yonsei, I'd take Cedars Sinai in a New York minute. I'd take Shands or Jackson or New York Presbyterian or Cleveland Clinic or Emory University hospital or... it's a very long list.
As for my local hospital, it's the Mayo Clinic. Case closed. |
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GENO123
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2014 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| Most of your average hospitals back home don't have the latest and greatest either. They probably have less new stuff than many university hospitals in Korea. I was not clear as I ought to have been before but actually that was the comparison I was trying to make all along . |
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atwood
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2014 1:13 am Post subject: |
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| Most of your average hospitals back home don't have the latest and greatest either. They probably have less new stuff than many university hospitals in Korea. I was not clear as I ought to have been before but actually that was the comparison I was trying to make all along . |
"Probably"--in other words you don't know.
Doubtful regarding "many" universities in Korea if Korea University Hospital is any indicator. Their MRI machine is quite old--the surgeon at Yonsei complained about it.
If you would have just said hospitals in Korea are good or pretty good, I wouldn't have argued. But your comparison to U.S. hospitals was obviously ill-informed and incorrect. |
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