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duhweecher



Joined: 06 Nov 2013

PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2014 11:32 pm    Post subject: Negative Energy Reply with quote

Anyone else pick up on the amazing level of pent up NEGATIVE ENERGY people seem to have here? (Yep, sounds like yoga material here..."negative energy"...no, I can't even define it really, but I think you know what I mean) Where is this stemming from? Is it sort of a conflict-oriented mentality or something?

I mean, today, for example, I went to a wine store where I usually purchase my Merlot. The owner is usually quite nice and friendly. Today, one of his acquaintances was there apparently paying a visit. The owner wasn't his usual happy self (understandable; I've read enough about emotional labour and really don't feel like he always has to be nice). But I was shocked that he actually said, "Oh, you were just here recently" in a mumbled voice but loud enough for his friend to hear.

I said, I haven't been here for nearly two months, with a laugh. No reply. In fact, he wouldn't even look me in the face and just ignored my reply with a smug little yeah-right look on his face. The whole situation had a really negative vibe to it.

This is just a small case of what I mean, but I think this sort of negativity is at a level that is by far on a more social level in Seoul (to say the least) than any other place I have ever been or lived. What's going on with people here? Is it really chic to be a jerk, rude, or simply negative about any and everything? To make even the most sterile (or even positive) of situations into a negative one?

I usually like pretty much everything in Korea (...I am Korean....American), but this negativity is really starting to get to me and I don't think it's just a personal problem.

Anyone else pick up on this feeling?
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greene



Joined: 11 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 12:38 am    Post subject: Re: Negative Energy Reply with quote

i used to have a friend in korea. when we would walk down the street he would be getting hit by ajumas and ajushis left and right on the shoulder. taxi drivers would pull over the car to yell at him (i saw this in one of the few times i rode with him but he told me it happened often). he absolutely loathed korea

however i've hardly ever been barged into. and taxi drivers are very nice to me almost all the time

yesterday i was in a particularly bad mood. very very negative. an ajushi pushed me because i accidentally stepped on his foot. i apologized and then realized i was being negative at that time and i attracted negativity

i really think like attracts like. for instance, you were treated negatively and now you are complaining about it on a message board looking for others to validate the existence of this negativity

it exist but you can basically live without seeing it if you are positive yourself. the negativity just goes away

</new age speak>
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duhweecher



Joined: 06 Nov 2013

PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 1:01 am    Post subject: Re: Negative Energy Reply with quote

greene wrote:
i used to have a friend in korea. when we would walk down the street he would be getting hit by ajumas and ajushis left and right on the shoulder. taxi drivers would pull over the car to yell at him (i saw this in one of the few times i rode with him but he told me it happened often). he absolutely loathed korea

however i've hardly ever been barged into. and taxi drivers are very nice to me almost all the time

yesterday i was in a particularly bad mood. very very negative. an ajushi pushed me because i accidentally stepped on his foot. i apologized and then realized i was being negative at that time and i attracted negativity

i really think like attracts like. for instance, you were treated negatively and now you are complaining about it on a message board looking for others to validate the existence of this negativity

it exist but you can basically live without seeing it if you are positive yourself. the negativity just goes away

</new age speak>


I'd say it's a bit of a leap to say I'm complaining about it on the message board. First, I'm asking a question. Second, I'm talking about the energy and vibes that many people feel when dealing with Korean natives. I mean I'm Korean, fluent in the language, and pretty optimistic. However, there are seriously a lot of angry natives or negative people in Seoul. I honestly think it may be a Seoul thing (not exactly sure).

I'll repeat, but perhaps it wasn't clear: I'm actually asking a question not complaining. I've already discovered that people are incredibly negative here...that's not something that needs to be negotiated. It's even something that my Korean friends already admit. But, as you can imagine, it's hard for people to explain their own ways of acting and feeling--often it's easier to some extent for people to be psychoanalysed by others rather than by themselves (cf. Tocqueville's On Democracy). That said, I thought (and think) that perhaps some non-Koreans sojourning here would have an idea.

I mean, gosh, it seems that non-Koreans always have an opinion about Koreans. It's a bit shocking that when given or even asked to give an opinion on a truly perceived problem as such that they would be so quiet.

For several reasons, I'm assuming you're Korean like me, so I guess well, we may still be in the same boat (to a degree) in terms of answering this question. Like you said, and I fully agree, it is possible to be so optimistic that you just don't notice the negativity, but that doesn't mean it's not there. I mean I guess I'm in the "yes, the darn tree fell even if you're not there to see or hear it" camp.

Simply put, I think it delusional and overwhelmingly self-centred to assume that the way people treat us or others amounts to how we feel inside.
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KimchiNinja



Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam

PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 1:35 am    Post subject: Re: Negative Energy Reply with quote

duhweecher wrote:

Anyone else pick up on this feeling?


Nope, I find Koreans to be really upbeat energetic positive fun polite people.
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atwood



Joined: 26 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why be negative? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEx0mGat3bc
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Sector7G



Joined: 24 May 2008

PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 4:26 am    Post subject: Re: Negative Energy Reply with quote

duhweecher wrote:


I mean, today, for example, I went to a wine store where I usually purchase my Merlot. The owner is usually quite nice and friendly. Today, one of his acquaintances was there apparently paying a visit. The owner wasn't his usual happy self (understandable; I've read enough about emotional labour and really don't feel like he always has to be nice). But I was shocked that he actually said, "Oh, you were just here recently" in a mumbled voice but loud enough for his friend to hear.
I am not saying that I disagree with you.....necessarily, though I am leaning toward it. However, your example does not really help make your point at all. A guy who is "usually quite nice and friendly" is a little less so on one occasion. So? He may have had a bad day, or maybe he was putting on a front because his friend was there.

By the way, I had never heard the term " emotional labour" before, but I instantly related to it. The types of jobs and relationships(think in-laws) that require it actually drain me more than hard manual labor does.
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Stain



Joined: 08 Jan 2014

PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 5:06 am    Post subject: Re: Negative Energy Reply with quote

KimchiNinja wrote:
duhweecher wrote:

Anyone else pick up on this feeling?


Nope, I find Koreans to be really upbeat energetic positive fun polite people.


There's no need to get sarcastic.
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Sector7G



Joined: 24 May 2008

PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 5:11 am    Post subject: Re: Negative Energy Reply with quote

Stain wrote:
KimchiNinja wrote:
duhweecher wrote:

Anyone else pick up on this feeling?


Nope, I find Koreans to be really upbeat energetic positive fun polite people.


There's no need to get sarcastic.

Yes, Dave's is not the place for negative energy!
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Stain



Joined: 08 Jan 2014

PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 5:29 am    Post subject: Re: Negative Energy Reply with quote

Sector7G wrote:
Stain wrote:
KimchiNinja wrote:
duhweecher wrote:

Anyone else pick up on this feeling?


Nope, I find Koreans to be really upbeat energetic positive fun polite people.


There's no need to get sarcastic.

Yes, Dave's is not the place for negative energy!


Exactly, Sector7G, the OP was just asking a question and gets slammed with cold-blooded sarcasm.
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Sector7G



Joined: 24 May 2008

PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 5:42 am    Post subject: Re: Negative Energy Reply with quote

Stain wrote:

Exactly, Sector7G, the OP was just asking a question and gets slammed with cold-blooded sarcasm.
Which is the worst kind!!

Seriously, I just think there is a wee bit of irony in a thread on Dave's about negative energy in Korea.
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Stain



Joined: 08 Jan 2014

PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 6:10 am    Post subject: Re: Negative Energy Reply with quote