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Chris.Quigley
Joined: 20 Apr 2009
Location: Belfast. N Ireland
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 Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:48 pm Post subject: Vice.com on Racism Towards English Teachers in Korea |
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http://www.vice.com/read/south-koreas-not-so-subtle-racist-hiring-practices-0000313-v21n5
I think all of us have discussed this over and over again on these boards. I wonder if the author is an English teacher.
I remember walking down the street once back home with a Korean friend (girl) of mine.
Then in the opposite direction three black men, big, muscular, looking "gangsta" appear and were walking toward us. I hardly noticed them.
My friend became filled with fear. She grabbed my arm...
The look of horror on her face... I mean... shear horror... I asked her why?
She didn't answer.
I looked up and I saw the three men talking, laughing and minding their own business.
I was extremely embarrassed and sad... Even though the men didn't notice it (pretty sure) I still felt terrible for them... |
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FDNY
Joined: 27 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: Vice.com on Racism Towards English Teachers in Korea |
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| Chris.Quigley wrote: |
| The look of horror on her face... I mean... shear horror... I asked her why? |
I've seen grown women here pretty much shit themselves when a cat or a pigeon comes too close. Nothing new there. Some Koreans are just stupid, ignorant people. However, you don't have to walk very far to find stupid, ignorant people in western countries either. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Charles Armstrong, a professor of Korean studies at Columbia University. |
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| “Koreans tend to distinguish between real, or white, foreigners, who are treated with some respect, and people of color who tend to be looked down on,” Armstrong explained. As a result, he said, “there is definitely a preference for white, and male, teachers of English.” |
God I hope he's not tenured. Clueless doesn't begin to describe it. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:30 pm Post subject: Re: Vice.com on Racism Towards English Teachers in Korea |
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| FDNY wrote: |
| Chris.Quigley wrote: |
| The look of horror on her face... I mean... shear horror... I asked her why? |
I've seen grown women here pretty much shit themselves when a cat or a pigeon comes too close. Nothing new there. Some Koreans are just stupid, ignorant people. However, you don't have to walk very far to find stupid, ignorant people in western countries either. |
Funnily enough, those same women who used to jump out of their skins when they saw a dog, now all have or want a little doggie of their own. |
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jazzmaster
Joined: 30 Sep 2013
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 12:40 am Post subject: |
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I thought this article was a bit of a missed opportunity. It could have dealt with the enduring pure blood myth, but instead it focused almost solely on the racism black teachers face.
Worst of all are the glaring spelling mistakes in the article. |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 12:55 am Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
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| Charles Armstrong, a professor of Korean studies at Columbia University. |
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| “Koreans tend to distinguish between real, or white, foreigners, who are treated with some respect, and people of color who tend to be looked down on,” Armstrong explained. As a result, he said, “there is definitely a preference for white, and male, teachers of English.” |
God I hope he's not tenured. Clueless doesn't begin to describe it. |
I thought that was a racist term? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:32 am Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
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| Charles Armstrong, a professor of Korean studies at Columbia University. |
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| “Koreans tend to distinguish between real, or white, foreigners, who are treated with some respect, and people of color who tend to be looked down on,” Armstrong explained. As a result, he said, “there is definitely a preference for white, and male, teachers of English.” |
God I hope he's not tenured. Clueless doesn't begin to describe it. |
He's working in a western academic environment. He can attack the Korean preference for White employees because that falls within the academic orthodoxy. Attacking a preference for hiring females, however, would violate the orthodoxy, so he can't do it and settles for scoring points by creating a "male hiring preference" strawman and bashing that instead. He's not clueless, he's simply playing by the rules, and he's probably smart to do so if he doesn't want to bring the wrath of the feminist harassment machine down on himself. |
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augustine
Joined: 08 Sep 2012
Location: México
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:37 am Post subject: |
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| The black gangsters had shears? |
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Sesame
Joined: 16 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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Unfortunately, trends and stereotypes have consequences. Many blacks in America follow that thug culture, dawg...many MANY do--enough to be labeled more than just a certain sub group of their race. When most blacks in the suburbs are idolizing violence and the characteristics of the depraved urban lifestyle and imitating them, I know, I've witnessed it all too often in the past, well then there's a problem.
Koreans have the right to label any people they want, and since hagwons are privatized there's nothing anyone can do. Your actions have consequences people, stop acting/dressing like a thug and you might get more respect on the world stage.
Labels people attach to other people and their culture aren't pulled out of thin air. I understand ALL people don't act a certain way, but if ENOUGH of those people DO act in a certain (bad) way, stigmas and stereotypes will develop--stereotypes are based on truths about different cultures, anyway.
Enough of the PC nonsense, it is what it is. |
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Sesame
Joined: 16 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| jazzmaster wrote: |
I thought this article was a bit of a missed opportunity. It could have dealt with the enduring pure blood myth, but instead it focused almost solely on the racism black teachers face.
Worst of all are the glaring spelling mistakes in the article. |
Just your typical white guilt liberal douche bag out of touch with reality that caters to and who's life's goal is to pander to minorities.
Sell out. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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| le-paul wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
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| Charles Armstrong, a professor of Korean studies at Columbia University. |
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| “Koreans tend to distinguish between real, or white, foreigners, who are treated with some respect, and people of color who tend to be looked down on,” Armstrong explained. As a result, he said, “there is definitely a preference for white, and male, teachers of English.” |
God I hope he's not tenured. Clueless doesn't begin to describe it. |
I thought that was a racist term? |
Nope. In it's infinite wisdom, America has determined "colored" to be a racist term but "people of color" to be the height of political correctness. The nuance is lost on me, but if don't make the rules.
Fox: you're probably right, but Vice is a publication that has made a name for itself by telling harsh truths. While I realize he doesn't work for them, it's a venue for reality to breathe. I wish he'd bent the rules a bit. |
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sml7285
Joined: 26 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| le-paul wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
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| Charles Armstrong, a professor of Korean studies at Columbia University. |
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| “Koreans tend to distinguish between real, or white, foreigners, who are treated with some respect, and people of color who tend to be looked down on,” Armstrong explained. As a result, he said, “there is definitely a preference for white, and male, teachers of English.” |
God I hope he's not tenured. Clueless doesn't begin to describe it. |
I thought that was a racist term? |
Nope. In it's infinite wisdom, America has determined "colored" to be a racist term but "people of color" to be the height of political correctness. The nuance is lost on me, but if don't make the rules.
Fox: you're probably right, but Vice is a publication that has made a name for itself by telling harsh truths. While I realize he doesn't work for them, it's a venue for reality to breathe. I wish he'd bent the rules a bit. |
True. However, you have to consider that like all publications, VICE's quality of work depends on the author of each article.
This Alexis Barnes has only written one other article... "Could Pooping in a Box Save the Developing World?" Doesn't do much to concrete his credentials in my mind. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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"To combat this and other abusive workplace practices, Korean lawmakers drafted anti-discrimination legislation in February 2013 that would have prohibited employers from discriminating against applicants based on ethnicity, skin color, age, sexual orientation, and other factors. But the bill faced heavy opposition from corporations and conservative Christian groups, who attacked it as pro–North Korean and pro-gay, and was killed in April. "
Pro North Korean? What? I tend to think they hate foreigners even more up there. That makes no sense. Also, didn't Jesus say: "Love thy neighbor"? Why would Christians here oppose it? Makes no sense to me whatsoever. |
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jazzmaster
Joined: 30 Sep 2013
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Pro North Korean? What? I tend to think they hate foreigners even more up there. That makes no sense. Also, didn't Jesus say: "Love thy neighbor"? Why would Christians here oppose it? Makes no sense to me whatsoever. |
Christianity here, and in many other countries, is used as a cloak to disguise the members desires to control society. As soon as humans got hold of religion they started abusing it as a way to gain power. It's been that way since the start of time.
These people are Christian in name, but their hearts and minds are far removed from the true teachings of Jesus Christ. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| I was extremely embarrassed and sad... Even though the men didn't notice it (pretty sure) I still felt terrible for them... |
This really is quite bizarre. Getting offended and upset, on behalf of a group of people you don't know, and who did not even witness the perceived display of 'racism.' |
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