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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Sister Ray wrote: |
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| If a lot of these drugs were erradicated from western society, a lot of the crime would go away with it. |
But that is, of course, impossible. Better to decriminalise, so prices normalise like the currently legal drugs (alcohol, nicotine etc.) Then addicts can lead a more normalised existence akin to a functional alcoholic. See Switzerland's heroin prescription programme. Harm minimisation.
Methamphetamine is undeniably a nasty one, but perhaps if alternatives were similarly available and priced it would become less attractive.
Prohibition has never, and will never, work. People like to get high. Be that via booze or barbiturates. |
Asian countries take a pretty hard line on it and for the most part you don't see drugged out idiots here like you do back home. You don't have the social problems that go with. Violent crime is much less compared to the west as some gang isn't trying to get their fix on the "trade" or some moron isn't knocking over CU to get 50 bucks for his next shot or dose.
There are social problems here and many problems to be sure, but one of them isn't a lack of feeling safe walking through even the largest of cities here. No one's going to mug you or kill you for 5 bucks to scrounge up drug money. I don't know about Switzerland specifically, but can tell you from European friends that many of their cities are crime infested too. (No guns mind you, but still muggings, use of knives, theft.) |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Sister Ray wrote: |
| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| If a lot of these drugs were erradicated from western society, a lot of the crime would go away with it. |
But that is, of course, impossible. Better to decriminalise, so prices normalise like the currently legal drugs (alcohol, nicotine etc.) Then addicts can lead a more normalised existence akin to a functional alcoholic. See Switzerland's heroin prescription programme. Harm minimisation.
Methamphetamine is undeniably a nasty one, but perhaps if alternatives were similarly available and priced it would become less attractive.
Prohibition has never, and will never, work. People like to get high. Be that via booze or barbiturates. |
Asian countries take a pretty hard line on it and for the most part you don't see drugged out idiots here like you do back home. You don't have the social problems that go with. Violent crime is much less compared to the west as some gang isn't trying to get their fix on the "trade" or some moron isn't knocking over CU to get 50 bucks for his next shot or dose.
There are social problems here and many problems to be sure, but one of them isn't a lack of feeling safe walking through even the largest of cities here. No one's going to mug you or kill you for 5 bucks to scrounge up drug money. I don't know about Switzerland specifically, but can tell you from European friends that many of their cities are crime infested too. (No guns mind you, but still muggings, use of knives, theft.) |
Let me further add that living cheaply in a cheap rent neighborhood back in the west is a matter of life and death. At least here when some waygooks get stuck in a cheap place, the only problem might be the building itself, not the neighborhood. You don't have to be afraid of the neighborhood itself. (Though that is truer for a man than a woman.) |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| I thought it was more to do with prescription pills ie -Oxy. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
Asian countries take a pretty hard line on it and for the most part you don't see drugged out idiots here like you do back home. You don't have the social problems that go with. Violent crime is much less compared to the west as some gang isn't trying to get their fix on the "trade" or some moron isn't knocking over CU to get 50 bucks for his next shot or dose. |
Both "The West" and Asia are pretty big places. It's hard to compare them in any meaningful way.
I do know, however, that Korea has a higher murder rate than Canada. So there's that. lol |
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happiness
Joined: 04 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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I know one guy who is an xtc dealer and I heard he had heroin, he's also bad news.
Pot is grown by the real smokers for their own stash, its not sold, its kept among friends.
Some older folks with medical issues are starting to use it Im guess they may be growing it themselves.
Korea has a lot of drugs too. PCH outlawed pot back in the 70s after the soldiers came back from Vietnam after learning how to roll a doobie from the US soldiers. Korean companies substituted pot for tobacco when reserves ran low sometimes too.
No place is purritanical. Thats like K-chicks dont have sex with whiteys.
I learned ages ago, when Im told the locals dont do something, I start looking it. Ha. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| happiness wrote: |
I know one guy who is an xtc dealer and I heard he had heroin, he's also bad news.
Pot is grown by the real smokers for their own stash, its not sold, its kept among friends.
Some older folks with medical issues are starting to use it Im guess they may be growing it themselves.
Korea has a lot of drugs too. PCH outlawed pot back in the 70s after the soldiers came back from Vietnam after learning how to roll a doobie from the US soldiers. Korean companies substituted pot for tobacco when reserves ran low sometimes too.
No place is purritanical. Thats like K-chicks dont have sex with whiteys.
I learned ages ago, when Im told the locals dont do something, I start looking it. Ha. |
That makes sense sen hemp is indigenous to Korea. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
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Asian countries take a pretty hard line on it and for the most part you don't see drugged out idiots here like you do back home. You don't have the social problems that go with. Violent crime is much less compared to the west as some gang isn't trying to get their fix on the "trade" or some moron isn't knocking over CU to get 50 bucks for his next shot or dose. |
Both "The West" and Asia are pretty big places. It's hard to compare them in any meaningful way.
I do know, however, that Korea has a higher murder rate than Canada. So there's that. lol |
Say what? Anything to back that one up? hate to argue with a fellow Canuck. But, Korea seems pretty safe compared to back home. Though back home isn't really that scary or violent or anything. Recent Maritime Cop Killings aside. |
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wanderkind
Joined: 01 Jan 2012
Location: Japan
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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Edit: Basically the same post as weigookin74  |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
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Asian countries take a pretty hard line on it and for the most part you don't see drugged out idiots here like you do back home. You don't have the social problems that go with. Violent crime is much less compared to the west as some gang isn't trying to get their fix on the "trade" or some moron isn't knocking over CU to get 50 bucks for his next shot or dose. |
Both "The West" and Asia are pretty big places. It's hard to compare them in any meaningful way.
I do know, however, that Korea has a higher murder rate than Canada. So there's that. lol |
Say what? Anything to back that one up? hate to argue with a fellow Canuck. But, Korea seems pretty safe compared to back home. Though back home isn't really that scary or violent or anything. Recent Maritime Cop Killings aside. |
I believe Korea at one point did have a slightly higher murder rate than Canada. But recently, like in the last 10-ish years, the rates have come below Canada's. Unfortunately I can't find the stats, actually I'm just to lazy too.
But what always gets me is the US pure murder numbers just scares me for a developed country. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Weigookin74 wrote: |
Asian countries take a pretty hard line on it and for the most part you don't see drugged out idiots here like you do back home. You don't have the social problems that go with. Violent crime is much less compared to the west as some gang isn't trying to get their fix on the "trade" or some moron isn't knocking over CU to get 50 bucks for his next shot or dose. |
Both "The West" and Asia are pretty big places. It's hard to compare them in any meaningful way.
I do know, however, that Korea has a higher murder rate than Canada. So there's that. lol |
Say what? Anything to back that one up? hate to argue with a fellow Canuck. But, Korea seems pretty safe compared to back home. Though back home isn't really that scary or violent or anything. Recent Maritime Cop Killings aside. |
I believe Korea at one point did have a slightly higher murder rate than Canada. But recently, like in the last 10-ish years, the rates have come below Canada's. Unfortunately I can't find the stats, actually I'm just to lazy too.
But what always gets me is the US pure murder numbers just scares me for a developed country. |
You've never heard of Murder, Inc.?
There's money in mayhem, unfortunately. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Not that surprising. Busan (honorably mentioned: Daegu) is like a dirty trash can of the Gyeongsang-do region for most Seoulites. |
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