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Stain
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| I recently read an article about the slums in Gangnam, and the attempt to buy up the land and compensate the landlords so as to get rid of it and develop. Of course, the majority of its residents are in their 60s or 70s. |
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Weigookin74
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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| The national pension for anyone around retirement age now is pretty piss poor. A Korean guy I know was trying to tell me that his father gets about 50,000 per month from it. Don't know if he's over exaggerating, but the older generations havent been paying into for very long and so for them especially there is very little to be had come "retirement" and so many of them continue to work past that age. |
Ok unofficially, it is pretty hard for many (if not most) old Koreans to realistically truly retire.
I wonder why so many Korean companies retire their employees at 55, when most people can still work a good 10 years. |
I had heard at Samsung, they pressure you to leave at 45 or 50. They want to hire young ones that they can pay a bit less to and order around due to confucianism. It's harder to be king ajossi manager when some of your employees are either older than you or the same age.
Public officials have to retire by age 62. Folks who work other jobs and don't pay much into the pension or who pay very little into it don't get much. So, 50,000 won a month might be possible. I had only heard of some getting 200,000 if they had no family to support them and maybe some cheap shelter. That is why you see old folks carting around boxes and selling vegetables on the side of the road. (Though that is disappearing and prob gone from most parts of Seoul.) |
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neilio
Joined: 12 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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Solution 1: take away the 1 garbage can every square mile and encourage people to throw trash on the street for old people to pick up.
Solution 2: create more automated jobs so it only requires a person standing there pushing a button to do it. Give that job to an old guy.
Solution 3: old people stay home with kids and get both those parents out there being productive
Solution 4: nothing wrong with death of life is shit.
Question , what the f do old people do in North America. I hardly see them out and about. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm told that iif I work for 20 years I'll get 600,000 won a month as a pension from the Korean government. Think that's in today's won. Hopefully, that would be adjusted for inflation but may not be. A couple of more years and I'll be halfway and gauranteed 300,000 won a month plus whatever I'm owed from the Canadian pension, if I don't cash the Korean one out when or if I leave. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:36 am Post subject: |
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| neilio wrote: |
Solution 1: take away the 1 garbage can every square mile and encourage people to throw trash on the street for old people to pick up.
Solution 2: create more automated jobs so it only requires a person standing there pushing a button to do it. Give that job to an old guy.
Solution 3: old people stay home with kids and get both those parents out there being productive
Solution 4: nothing wrong with death of life is shit.
Question , what the f do old people do in North America. I hardly see them out and about. |
They're all out on the golf course or on cruises. They're in the restaurants that offer an early bird special. They're making sure they get their money's worth out of that viagra prescription.
They're in the local dive drinking up their SS check. And don't forget, somebody's got to stay home and watch Judge Judy and Jerry Springer. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:37 am Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| I'm told that iif I work for 20 years I'll get 600,000 won a month as a pension from the Korean government. Think that's in today's won. Hopefully, that would be adjusted for inflation but may not be. A couple of more years and I'll be halfway and gauranteed 300,000 won a month plus whatever I'm owed from the Canadian pension, if I don't cash the Korean one out when or if I leave. |
Do yourself a favor and cash in your chips when you leave. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:39 am Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
| cabeza wrote: |
| The national pension for anyone around retirement age now is pretty piss poor. A Korean guy I know was trying to tell me that his father gets about 50,000 per month from it. Don't know if he's over exaggerating, but the older generations havent been paying into for very long and so for them especially there is very little to be had come "retirement" and so many of them continue to work past that age. |
Ok unofficially, it is pretty hard for many (if not most) old Koreans to realistically truly retire.
I wonder why so many Korean companies retire their employees at 55, when most people can still work a good 10 years. |
I had heard at Samsung, they pressure you to leave at 45 or 50. They want to hire young ones that they can pay a bit less to and order around due to confucianism. It's harder to be king ajossi manager when some of your employees are either older than you or the same age.
Public officials have to retire by age 62. Folks who work other jobs and don't pay much into the pension or who pay very little into it don't get much. So, 50,000 won a month might be possible. I had only heard of some getting 200,000 if they had no family to support them and maybe some cheap shelter. That is why you see old folks carting around boxes and selling vegetables on the side of the road. (Though that is disappearing and prob gone from most parts of Seoul.) |
The chaebols also operate on the theory that whatever good ideas you're going to have, you've had them by the time you hit 45. So you're dead weight and it's time to cut you loose.
There's also the military up or out policy at work. If you're not a director or close by that age, then they push you out the door. |
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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:36 am Post subject: |
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| Next time you have a chance, buy something from those old ladies on the side of the road |
Those "sweet old ladies" you mention are usually the most pushy and rude people in korea.
They behave with a breathtaking arrogance and obnoxiousness that is probably unparalleled in global terms.
They don't even recognize western politeness. Almost everytime I've shown consideration to them they've either thrown it back in my face or taken advantage to the max.
Their way of passing on their misery I suppose, but my sense of charity toward these people ran out a long time ago. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:34 am Post subject: |
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| Next time you have a chance, buy something from those old ladies on the side of the road |
Those "sweet old ladies" you mention are usually the most pushy and rude people in korea.
They behave with a breathtaking arrogance and obnoxiousness that is probably unparalleled in global terms.
They don't even recognize western politeness. Almost everytime I've shown consideration to them they've either thrown it back in my face or taken advantage to the max.
Their way of passing on their misery I suppose, but my sense of charity toward these people ran out a long time ago. |
I've never had a problem with them. In fact, one woman who I buy onions from, on my second visit, threw in an extra onion, which I told her not to since it would just go bad, but there was no stopping her. And that's for a 2000won sack of onions.
They aren't all that friendly, but it's not like you're buying a Tom Ford suit at Shinsegae. |
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PeteJB
Joined: 06 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:22 am Post subject: |
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| They aren't all that friendly, but it's not like you're buying a Tom Ford suit at Shinsegae. |
I find the roadside ladies are generally hit and miss. Some are friendly, some are grumpy. But at least they seem honest. Those 'Shinsegae' jigwons are generally just fake and annoying. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
| cabeza wrote: |
| The national pension for anyone around retirement age now is pretty piss poor. A Korean guy I know was trying to tell me that his father gets about 50,000 per month from it. Don't know if he's over exaggerating, but the older generations havent been paying into for very long and so for them especially there is very little to be had come "retirement" and so many of them continue to work past that age. |
Ok unofficially, it is pretty hard for many (if not most) old Koreans to realistically truly retire.
I wonder why so many Korean companies retire their employees at 55, when most people can still work a good 10 years. |
I had heard at Samsung, they pressure you to leave at 45 or 50. They want to hire young ones that they can pay a bit less to and order around due to confucianism. It's harder to be king ajossi manager when some of your employees are either older than you or the same age.
Public officials have to retire by age 62. Folks who work other jobs and don't pay much into the pension or who pay very little into it don't get much. So, 50,000 won a month might be possible. I had only heard of some getting 200,000 if they had no family to support them and maybe some cheap shelter. That is why you see old folks carting around boxes and selling vegetables on the side of the road. (Though that is disappearing and prob gone from most parts of Seoul.) |
The chaebols also operate on the theory that whatever good ideas you're going to have, you've had them by the time you hit 45. So you're dead weight and it's time to cut you loose.
There's also the military up or out policy at work. If you're not a director or close by that age, then they push you out the door. |
Yeah, this place is pretty stupid sometimes. Lots of folks can be good at their job and contribute ideas at whatever age. Life for Koreans are strict rules. By 18 go to university, and do 2 years of army service. Graduate at 24 or 25 if a year spent abroad. Enter workforce, get married at 28. Leave your job by 45. Kind of nice we don't have to live by those rules. Heck, I only decided to go to university when I was 20. I knew plenty that changed career tacks two or three times in their lives. No flexibility like that here is there?
I think the younger generation is slowly beginning to backlash against this. All those ajossis running things in another 10 to 15 years are going to be in for a shock when the current batch of kids hit the streets. There will be too many of them to ignore. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| Chaparrastique wrote: |
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| Next time you have a chance, buy something from those old ladies on the side of the road |
Those "sweet old ladies" you mention are usually the most pushy and rude people in korea.
They behave with a breathtaking arrogance and obnoxiousness that is probably unparalleled in global terms.
They don't even recognize western politeness. Almost everytime I've shown consideration to them they've either thrown it back in my face or taken advantage to the max.
Their way of passing on their misery I suppose, but my sense of charity toward these people ran out a long time ago. |
I've never had a problem with them. In fact, one woman who I buy onions from, on my second visit, threw in an extra onion, which I told her not to since it would just go bad, but there was no stopping her. And that's for a 2000won sack of onions.
They aren't all that friendly, but it's not like you're buying a Tom Ford suit at Shinsegae. |
I think at some of these stores, they're trying to sell expensive items to folks. They don't have time for a bearded cheap English teacher who won't spend any dough. (Amongst Koreans, homeless people and artists wear beards here.)
Now, on the other hand if you have a clean cut look and are flashing your visa around trying on different things, they'll love you to death. I've experienced just such a reaction. Ha ha. Not suits, but clothes when something wore out and a home visit to replace them with was a long ways away. Damn you overpriced Korean Levis. At least the adjumma was friendly when I pulled out the card. Ha ha. (I pushed aside that cheap English teacher steriotype older Koreans here have of us.) |
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Lucas
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Chaparrastique wrote: |
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| Next time you have a chance, buy something from those old ladies on the side of the road |
Those "sweet old ladies" you mention are usually the most pushy and rude people in korea.
They behave with a breathtaking arrogance and obnoxiousness that is probably unparalleled in global terms.
They don't even recognize western politeness. Almost everytime I've shown consideration to them they've either thrown it back in my face or taken advantage to the max.
Their way of passing on their misery I suppose, but my sense of charity toward these people ran out a long time ago. |
I've never had a problem with them. In fact, one woman who I buy onions from, on my second visit, threw in an extra onion, which I told her not to since it would just go bad, but there was no stopping her. And that's for a 2000won sack of onions.
They aren't all that friendly, but it's not like you're buying a Tom Ford suit at Shinsegae. |
I think at some of these stores, they're trying to sell expensive items to folks. They don't have time for a bearded cheap English teacher who won't spend any dough. (Amongst Koreans, homeless people and artists wear beards here.)
Now, on the other hand if you have a clean cut look and are flashing your visa around trying on different things, they'll love you to death. I've experienced just such a reaction. Ha ha. Not suits, but clothes when something wore out and a home visit to replace them with was a long ways away. Damn you overpriced Korean Levis. At least the adjumma was friendly when I pulled out the card. Ha ha. (I pushed aside that cheap English teacher steriotype older Koreans here have of us.) |
I think you misunderstood me. I meant that you're going to get a much higher level of service in a place like Shinsegae where you might spend quite a bit (or they have to at least wait on you to make sure you don't walk off with something) than from a woman sitting on the sidewalk all day selling items for 2-5000 won. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| To be honest I generally like the Korean old folks, at least around here. When I buy chicken or duck from the old woman downtown she always asks about the kids and tosses in some extra wings or whatnot. If I buy fruit, it's smiles and extra fruit. And the parking spot attendants are mostly fine, courteous people, and more convenient than a parking meter. I generally prefer to give them my business where reasonably possible, even when doing so requires forgoing the strict maximization of my economic benefit. My wife grumbles sometimes when I buy fruit downtown from the old folks intead of at E-Mart, because it's a bit more expensive and sometimes a little lower in quality as well, but come on, those people need the business far more than E-Mart does. |
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