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chaz47

Joined: 11 Sep 2003
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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 11:27 pm Post subject: Going from Full-Time to Part-Time... |
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At the beginning of September I'll be going from full-time to part-time. This will be my third year with this academy, but they overextended themselves opening a new branch and some other stuff. So they can't keep me full-time.
I have yet to see the contract or the schedule.
I'm looking for general advice on what to expect and possibly how to hustle up additional hours. |
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PRagic

Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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Be careful. If it's a part time contract, they may list you as an independent contractor, in which case they'll try to skate on your taxes, your pension, and your health coverage. Housing might go the way of the Dodo, too. |
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chaz47

Joined: 11 Sep 2003
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 12:13 am Post subject: |
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From what I understand they plan to report me as full-time and then give me reduced hours while letting me look for work elsewhere.
They've never had a part-time foreigner before so I hope that means they don't know how to screw me over.
At full time I make 2.3 plus 400 for housing. That's at 30 hours per week. I anticipate they're going to keep me around for my evening block, that will probably be about 20 hours.
How much of a cut in pay do you guys think I'll get? Are they still required to make pension contributions and pay insurance at 20 hours a week? My rough math guess is about 1.8 (including housing). That's a definite hit to my savings plans.
My biggest concern is, I am only 6 months into my year-long lease. When I moved in the academy and I split they key-money. I really like this room, I'm just getting settled... shite. I guess if they buy me out I can just pack up and head home... I can't see moving into a goshiwon to work part-time. |
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Overture1928
Joined: 12 Jan 2014
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 5:05 am Post subject: |
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chaz47 wrote: |
From what I understand they plan to report me as full-time and then give me reduced hours while letting me look for work elsewhere.
They've never had a part-time foreigner before so I hope that means they don't know how to screw me over.
At full time I make 2.3 plus 400 for housing. That's at 30 hours per week. I anticipate they're going to keep me around for my evening block, that will probably be about 20 hours.
How much of a cut in pay do you guys think I'll get? Are they still required to make pension contributions and pay insurance at 20 hours a week? My rough math guess is about 1.8 (including housing). That's a definite hit to my savings plans.
My biggest concern is, I am only 6 months into my year-long lease. When I moved in the academy and I split they key-money. I really like this room, I'm just getting settled... shite. I guess if they buy me out I can just pack up and head home... I can't see moving into a goshiwon to work part-time. |
Dude if you are only making 2.3 and 400 after your 3rd year I think it is time for you to dump this place. |
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Troglodyte

Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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chaz47 wrote: |
My biggest concern is, I am only 6 months into my year-long lease. When I moved in the academy and I split they key-money. I really like this room, I'm just getting settled... shite. I guess if they buy me out I can just pack up and head home... I can't see moving into a goshiwon to work part-time. |
Whose name is on the rental contract? |
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furtakk
Joined: 02 Jun 2009
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 5:59 am Post subject: |
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I hate to be the guy who inflates numbers, but honestly after two years with them and (I'm assuming) a few other years of experience you should be getting at least 25-30,000/h as a part-time worker, which would put you at over 2.3+ a month if you work 20 hours a week. If they offer 1.8, that only works out to about 20,000/h.
Places like CDI/Pagoda usually start their first year part-timers at that rate (sometimes a little lower), and with two years of experience it doesn't seem like it would be asking for a lot.
I doubt they would be willing to go for something like that though. I would rather cut my losses and find something new, than sell myself short in a situation like this. |
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DaeguNL
Joined: 08 Sep 2009
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 7:29 am Post subject: |
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furtakk wrote: |
I hate to be the guy who inflates numbers, but honestly after two years with them and (I'm assuming) a few other years of experience you should be getting at least 25-30,000/h as a part-time worker, which would put you at over 2.3+ a month if you work 20 hours a week. If they offer 1.8, that only works out to about 20,000/h.
Places like CDI/Pagoda usually start their first year part-timers at that rate (sometimes a little lower), and with two years of experience it doesn't seem like it would be asking for a lot.
I doubt they would be willing to go for something like that though. I would rather cut my losses and find something new, than sell myself short in a situation like this. |
I can't really see the hagwon offering up 30,000 an hour for a teacher with an E-2 visa. 4 hours a day at that rate would come to 2.5 a month. The school would probably just hire someone at 2.1 or 2.2, stick em in a 300k a month shoebox, and have the teacher work 40 hours a week |
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chaz47

Joined: 11 Sep 2003
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah... this might be getting a bit ridiculous. I'm working splits now and they proposed I work 2 hours in the morning and 2 hours in the evening... lol. I strongly suggested 4 hours in the evening. How do they expect me to find another gig if they have me working half of a shift during peak-times for most other hagwons? The cookie seems to be crumbling unfavorably.
Many of my students have told me they'll follow me to another place if it's close enough. There's a big industrial complex nearby so I get lots of salarymen/office worker types. The only other adult school in the area is SDA and the religious aspect scares a lot of them. |
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chaz47

Joined: 11 Sep 2003
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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My reduced schedule begins next week and some of my students are getting concerned about the change. A lot of them fear overly large class sizes as my general student count in total is about 30 -35 and they seem to think that all of them are going to try to cram into the three classes I'll teach in September.
As it is now, my classes tend to lean towards smallish discussion groups between 4 to 6 students being the comfort zone.
I'm considering presenting this idea to my present manager:
I will recruit and manage my own classes and pay the academy a commission for allowing me to use their facilities (shabby as they are). This would allow me to structure the classes a bit more and fit students into classes based on their ability rather than the greed of the sales agents (the present method).
I'm concerned with:
1.) Is this legit on an E-2?
2.) What rates should I charge?
3.) What should I offer to pay the academy? |
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wanderkind
Joined: 01 Jan 2012 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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chaz47 wrote: |
I'm considering presenting this idea to my present manager:
I will recruit and manage my own classes and pay the academy a commission for allowing me to use their facilities (shabby as they are). This would allow me to structure the classes a bit more and fit students into classes based on their ability rather than the greed of the sales agents (the present method).
I'm concerned with:
1.) Is this legit on an E-2?
2.) What rates should I charge?
3.) What should I offer to pay the academy? |
It seems more of a question of whether you'd even qualify for an E-2. I guess it would depend whether the school was willing to sponsor your visa. The only person I know who does what you describe is on an F visa and it's still under the table. |
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chaz47

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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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wanderkind wrote: |
chaz47 wrote: |
I'm considering presenting this idea to my present manager:
I will recruit and manage my own classes and pay the academy a commission for allowing me to use their facilities (shabby as they are). This would allow me to structure the classes a bit more and fit students into classes based on their ability rather than the greed of the sales agents (the present method).
I'm concerned with:
1.) Is this legit on an E-2?
2.) What rates should I charge?
3.) What should I offer to pay the academy? |
It seems more of a question of whether you'd even qualify for an E-2. I guess it would depend whether the school was willing to sponsor your visa. The only person I know who does what you describe is on an F visa and it's still under the table. |
They're already sponsoring my E-2. This will be my third year with this academy. They just mangled their finances and need to reduce my hours. My students don't want this so I'm suggesting that I take on students on my own at the academy I presently work at outside of my part-time schedule and pay the academy a percentage of my commission. |
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chaz47

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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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chaz47 wrote: |
wanderkind wrote: |
chaz47 wrote: |
I'm considering presenting this idea to my present manager:
I will recruit and manage my own classes and pay the academy a commission for allowing me to use their facilities (shabby as they are). This would allow me to structure the classes a bit more and fit students into classes based on their ability rather than the greed of the sales agents (the present method).
I'm concerned with:
1.) Is this legit on an E-2?
2.) What rates should I charge?
3.) What should I offer to pay the academy? |
It seems more of a question of whether you'd even qualify for an E-2. I guess it would depend whether the school was willing to sponsor your visa. The only person I know who does what you describe is on an F visa and it's still under the table. |
They're already sponsoring my E-2. This will be my third year with this academy. They just mangled their finances and need to reduce my hours. My students don't want this so I'm suggesting that I take on students on my own at the academy I presently work at outside of my part-time schedule and pay the academy a percentage of my commission. |
Update, OK... so they ran with this idea and want to open a class at 7am and pay me 20,000 an hour to teach it. They will keep another 20,000 for the academy. Ha. Time to look for another school. It seemed like they were trying to coerce me to accept this nonsense. I said that is below my base pay, it violates the terms of my contract and I will quit.
From what I understand it's common for a hagwon to take 50% of profit from all classes but this was me doing them a favor. I could take those same students somewhere else and collect a more sizeable portion but I was trying to be loyal to the company. What schmucks... I really blame their business model. They have three competing sales teams that try to have me teach dinky classes so they can get a commission rather than have me teach a large enough class (not at 6am to one corporate client who rarely shows up) than can actually pay the balance of my salary. |
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