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cmxc
Joined: 19 May 2008
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 11:02 pm Post subject: Horrifying Murder of Gimhae Teen Leaves Koreans in Shock |
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Do you understand why/how Korea's culture produces such wanton acts of cruelty?
Do you understand why more must be done to improve the situation for vulnerable Korean girls?
'Imagine Your Korea' - does this mean imagining the most insufferable hell for all but the richest few?
Horrifying Murder of Gimhae Teen Leaves Koreans in Shock
http://www.koreabang.com/2014/stories/horrifying-murder-of-gimhae-teen-leaves-koreans-in-shock.html |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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That is a seriously messed up story.
As far as I know Korea still has the death penalty on the books, they just haven't used it for a long time (since that serial killer years ago?).
I'm not generally in favor of the DP for a variety of reasons (such as under current US legal procedures, it's actually cheaper to throw someone in jail for life than to execute them, it's shown to not be much of a deterrent, gov't killing the wrong person, etc), this case presents some candidates, imo. |
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optik404

Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:23 am Post subject: Re: Horrifying Murder of Gimhae Teen Leaves Koreans in Shock |
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No, please explain. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:53 am Post subject: Re: Horrifying Murder of Gimhae Teen Leaves Koreans in Shock |
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cmxc wrote: |
'Imagine Your Korea' - does this mean imagining the most insufferable hell for all but the richest few? |
A little much with "insufferable hell" there, don't you think? In this girl's case, it sounds like it was - but for all in Korean society "but for the richest few"?
C'mon. Life in Korea presents challenges (for Koreans and foreigners alike), but let's stay in the realm of reason here. |
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cmxc
Joined: 19 May 2008
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 1:11 am Post subject: realm of reason? |
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Let's stay in the realm of reason?
IS IT LOST ON YOU THAT 300 KIDS DROWNED AN ICY DEATH SO SOME SOJU SWILLING PERV COULD BE THE FIRST OFF THE SHIP?
The Sewol symbolizes the actual regard Korean society has for the children of the not so well to do.
If it had been a son or daughter of Samsung, Hyundai, SK, etc, would the coast guard have been as apathetic as they were?
IS IT LOST ON YOU THAT KOREA MAINTAINS GLOBAL LEADERSHIP FOR HAVING ONE OF THE HIGHEST SUICIDE RATES IN THE WORLD? (ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE UNDER 18 )
If your nation has created an environment where great numbers of your people would rather kill themselves than live, then I would call that an example of 'insufferable hell.'
Is it lost on you that Korea has one of the lowest female labor participation rates in the world. According to a McKinsey study, less than 4% of managers in Korea are female!
Korea's young female children have a tremendously larger chance of ending up hookers than they do becoming managers at Korean businesses.
The headline in today's Wall Street Journal Korea Real Time blog is that Koreans will go extinct by 2750 because the birth rate is so low (among the lowest in the world). Now, why might Koreans desperately wish to avoid having children? It's not a sign that Korea is a heaven for kids.
I'm happy to stay within the realm of reason - the facts support my case that Korea is an insufferable hell for its own people, and we non-Korean residents need to do all we can to help this place change for the better. |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010 Location: Victoria, Canada.
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 1:55 am Post subject: |
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^^I understand your criticms of Korea above, but I don't think that this murder further proves your case given these horrific murders happen in every country. |
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earthquakez
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 2:43 am Post subject: Re: realm of reason? |
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cmxc wrote: |
Let's stay in the realm of reason?
IS IT LOST ON YOU THAT 300 KIDS DROWNED AN ICY DEATH SO SOME SOJU SWILLING PERV COULD BE THE FIRST OFF THE SHIP?
The Sewol symbolizes the actual regard Korean society has for the children of the not so well to do.
If it had been a son or daughter of Samsung, Hyundai, SK, etc, would the coast guard have been as apathetic as they were?
IS IT LOST ON YOU THAT KOREA MAINTAINS GLOBAL LEADERSHIP FOR HAVING ONE OF THE HIGHEST SUICIDE RATES IN THE WORLD? (ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE UNDER 18 )
If your nation has created an environment where great numbers of your people would rather kill themselves than live, then I would call that an example of 'insufferable hell.'
Is it lost on you that Korea has one of the lowest female labor participation rates in the world. According to a McKinsey study, less than 4% of managers in Korea are female!
Korea's young female children have a tremendously larger chance of ending up hookers than they do becoming managers at Korean businesses.
The headline in today's Wall Street Journal Korea Real Time blog is that Koreans will go extinct by 2750 because the birth rate is so low (among the lowest in the world). Now, why might Koreans desperately wish to avoid having children? It's not a sign that Korea is a heaven for kids.
I'm happy to stay within the realm of reason - the facts support my case that Korea is an insufferable hell for its own people, and we non-Korean residents need to do all we can to help this place change for the better. |
I'm no fan of Korean society and the way in which non Koreans are barely tolerated a lot of the time. I found Koreans to be the most insular people I have ever met apart from the strictest Wahabist Muslims in the UK and Europe.
However, the problems you speak of in Korea have their equivalent or more serious elsewhere in different forms. You just have to visit somebody in Chicago and find out that not far from where Michelle Obama was raised in a middle class Black Chicagoan household, Black children cannot even go outside for a walk because of horrific injuries and deaths of other Black children from gunfire sprayed by gangsters from their own underprivileged communities, some of these gangsters being teenagers.
You just have to think of Trayvon Martin, a black teenager who was followed and then shot by an armed vigilante in Florida because Trayvon was wearing a hoodie and was walking home through a predominantly white and privileged neighbourhood.
You just have to come to my hometown of London and hear about Peckenham not far from where I grew up. Knife crime is out of control there. Relatively recently kids purchased knives from a store and stabbed another kid to death with them who was from the same private school. Among the killers were girls. Knife murders in London over a two year period are far higher than knife murders for well over 50 years in many other countries.
There are public housing projects in London such as Tower Hamlets that will never ever have any equivalent for crime including sexual assault, strongarm robbery, drug dealing and doing, and murder in Korea. Despite the publicity re teenager murderers and victims in Asian countries like Korea and Japan, anything like that pales in comparison to what goes on in my home country and the USA. |
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earthquakez
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 2:52 am Post subject: |
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As for the declining birthrate - it's not just Korea. It's Japan (25 percent and counting of Japanese are senior citizens). It's France in particular in Europe.
Declining birthrates are typical of modern industrialised societies with high levels of technology and post secondary education, and the influence of feminism whether the western kind or the East Asian kind where women are encouraged now to not simply produce children and home-make but to also enter the workforce.
Agreed that in Korea most of the opportunities that exist for women in western societies are not there although I certainly encountered more women doing engineering/ IT jobs in Korea than I have in my home country and in Japan.
The overt emphasis on providing sexual services to men is certainly very much part of Korean culture today. However, I'd say the militarism of the Japanese colonial period, the Korean War, and the American bases in Korea have facilitated a fair bit of it plus the homosocial character of Korean society where homosexuality is supposedly a big no no officially but there is a lot of downlow sexual behaviour between men and a lingering attitude that women are only here for face saving marriages and producing a son and grandchildren. |
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nicwr2002
Joined: 17 Aug 2011
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:39 am Post subject: Re: Horrifying Murder of Gimhae Teen Leaves Koreans in Shock |
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You have some vendetta against Korea. Every post you make is some negative news article about Korea. What gives? |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:42 am Post subject: Re: Horrifying Murder of Gimhae Teen Leaves Koreans in Shock |
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nicwr2002 wrote: |
You have some vendetta against Korea. Every post you make is some negative news article about Korea. What gives? |
I was thinking the same. I know I have come on here in the past and joined in on the Korea bashing, but this guy really does not like Korea at all. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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Unfortunately, crap like this happens everywhere. Tough to turn it into an anti-Korea tirade unless you want to go off on how accepted prostitution is here (and underage prostitution at that).
I notice the post was by an "Anna Joy."
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Oh, Joy to the world was a beautiful girl
But to me Joy meant only sorrow
Now if you haven't got an answer
Then you haven't got a question
And if you never had a question
Then you'd never have a problem
But if you never had a problem
Well, everyone would be happy
But if everyone was happy
There'd never be a love song
Joy was a beautiful girl
But to me Joy meant only sorrow
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:56 pm Post subject: Re: realm of reason? |
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cmxc wrote: |
Korea is an insufferable hell for its own people, and we non-Korean residents need to do all we can to help this place change for the better. |
Haha. Uh... no, we really don't.
"Insufferable hell for its own people" ??
Generally, no. Give them a plastic table, chairs, and a bottle of soju... and most of them are pretty stoked.
And as for it being so bad for the kids... not really.
Most of them won't have to do ANY house chores until well into adulthood, or work at a part time job, and many of them get money/help from parents until they are 30ish. Poor things.
The fact that they are so busy with schoolwork is not really a bad thing. Kids have more energy during childhood than they ever will again; why not work them a bit? Better than being too soft on them, which brings even more societal costs. |
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jazzmaster
Joined: 30 Sep 2013
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 12:33 am Post subject: |
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Yoon’s father is at a loss for words over the cruel nature of the crimes. “I can’t forget that day she came home. She was terrified, crying, and I can’t forget what she said to me. She told me that the she was forced to sell sex and was tortured, only being given one bite to eat a day. She was worried they would come to find her,”he recounted. |
Why did the father not do something? The daughter returned home told him what had happened, so why did she end up with the murderers again?
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they found her at her church, made her get into a car, and took her to an Ulsan motel. |
WTF? |
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Newbie

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:25 am Post subject: |
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Disgusting story.
But to the OP: this could happen anywhere. Overall are Koreans any worse off than Americans? Not at all. |
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yodanole
Joined: 02 Mar 2003 Location: La Florida
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:59 am Post subject: |
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Thank God that the pimps in the good old US of A are much more enlightened and would never abuse, torture or kill any of the girls in their "stable". America is world - renowned for the kindliness and gentle indulgence of our pimps .... |
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