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Stan Rogers
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le-paul
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| survival of the person who can eat most - theres only room for one per house hold |
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Stan Rogers
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| Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 2:28 am Post subject: |
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| I guess obese and divorced is the new fashion now. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:35 am Post subject: |
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| Stan Rogers wrote: |
| I guess obese and divorced is the new fashion now. |
Divorce rates are lower now than they have in been in recent decades. People simply aren't getting married (or much later than before). |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| Stan Rogers wrote: |
| I guess obese and divorced is the new fashion now. |
Divorce rates are lower now than they have in been in recent decades. People simply aren't getting married (or much later than before). |
I'm not so sure.
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Divorce is actually on the rise, and it’s the baby boomers’ fault
The wisdom about divorce in America goes something like this: the sexual revolution sparked a sharp rise in the divorce rate from 1950 until about 1980, leading to the famous formulation that half of all American marriages would end in an uncoupling, conscious or otherwise. But in the 1980s, the divorce rate began to decline. Economists Betsey Stevenson and Justin Wolfers summed it up thusly in 2011:
Couples marrying after the 1970s were better calibrated about how their family life would play out and were likely better matched for a life together based upon modern gender roles. As such, they were likely in a better position to have their marriages survive than were those marrying in the 1970s.
But a new paper out this month from demographers at the University of Minnesota challenges the traditional narrative. Sheela Kennedy and Stephen Ruggles have found that the divorce rate hasn't declined since 1980, it has only flattened. And when they controlled for changes in the age composition of the married population (the U.S. population was younger in 1980, and younger couples have a higher risk for divorce), they found that the age-standardized divorce rate has actually risen by an astonishing 40 percent since then.
To make a long methodology short, the United States has done an uneven and often inadequate job collecting divorce data over the decades. The Census Bureau, noting this "long-standing void in data on marriages and divorces," added a battery of marriage and divorce-related questions to the American Community Survey in 2008. This paper is part of a first wave of research capitalizing on the new data and the new methods of analysis it allows.
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bucheon bum
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Well that article basically says it is a generational thing. A part that you didn't quote (and supports some of what I said):
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| The flipside of this finding is the relative rarity of divorce among younger Americans today. This is likely due to a variety of reasons: people are waiting longer to get married, and cohabitation is on the rise. In the 1970s, a couple might get married at 25 and be divorced by 30. But today, that same couple would be more likely to simply live together for a few years and then head their separate ways when things go south. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:10 am Post subject: |
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| The problem with talking about the "rarity of divorce among younger Americans" is precisely the fact that they're young. They've still got plenty of time to get their divorce(s) and pump the statistics, right? I'm willing to entertain the notion that the divorce rate might fall in the future, but it seemingly hasn't happened yet, and will depend on how current young people comport themselves as they age. Will they start rushing to get married as they get older, only to find themselves quickly divorcing? Will they keep cohabiting at increasingly higher rates? Or will they make good choices and settle down into more-reliable familial environments? |
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FriendlyDaegu
Joined: 26 Aug 2012
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 7:23 am Post subject: |
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A bit of talking across points going on here. All three of you could be, and may in fact be, correct:
- More single Americans now than before because people are waiting longer to get married, do not marry at all, or wait longer between marriages.
- Lower divorce rate in the sense that a lower proportion of marriages end in divorce.
- Higher rate of 'marriage instability', defined in the article as the proportion of those people who have been married who got divorced more than 0 times.
Americans may simply be waiting longer to get married the first time, get divorced, but stay with their 2nd marriage more often than in the past. I can believe that.. I don't know a single person around 40 today who has been married 3 or more times. When I was young it seemed like a lot of people were on their 3rd or 4th marriage at that age. |
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matthews_world
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Nobody's mentioned the pandemic of single parents in American society.
America's quite a sex-craved culture. Men won't take responsibility for their actions.
I've not yet married due to the fact that taking care of children are a large responsibility as well. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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| matthews_world wrote: |
| America's quite a sex-craved culture. Men won't take responsibility for their actions. |
Just for fun...could you elaborate on these. Seems like they must be a joke. |
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radcon
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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I've not yet married due to the fact that taking care of children are a large responsibility as well. |
Sure. THAT'S the reason you aren't married. |
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drcrazy
Joined: 19 Feb 2003
Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan
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| Marriage is a form of mental illness. It looks like mental health is getting better in the USA. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:52 am Post subject: |
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| matthews_world wrote: |
Nobody's mentioned the pandemic of single parents in American society.
America's quite a sex-craved culture. Men won't take responsibility for their actions.
I've not yet married due to the fact that taking care of children are a large responsibility as well. |
You've been away from the USA too long. |
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Chaparrastique
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| matthews_world wrote: |
I've not yet married due to the fact that taking care of children are a large responsibility as well. |
Sure. THAT'S the reason you aren't married. |
You've been away from the USA too long. |
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I make married people nervous because they can't handle the fact I'm single says Cameron Diaz
‘I think some people want other people to make the same choices in life that they have made so that they can feel good about their own choice,’ said the actress, who is currently starring in the rom-com The Other Woman.
‘I think that some married people have made the choice to get married, but when they see a person who is living a different way, it makes them stop and think, “Wait a second – you mean you don’t need to get married after all?
'"You mean that I felt I had to get married, but you don’t feel that you have to?”
'And if they weren’t too sure about their choice in the first place, that can make them very uncomfortable.’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2603467/I-make-married-people-nervous-handle-fact-Im-single-says-Cameron-Diaz.html
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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I think there's some men (and women, but I think more men), that feel they're too poor to take responsibility for a family. I've seen it with couples I know that put off having kids because they're financially insecure.
I think in the past early twenty somethings married when they were poor, and had kids, and weren't bothered by it. But now it seems (at least to me) couples don't want to have kids when they're poor. And some men and women expect themselves and their partner to be financially successful before they marry them.
I guess I'm saying people are expecting too much of themselves and their partner before they marry and have kids. |
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