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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London
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 Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 9:21 pm Post subject: Re: Joining ISIS and the Caliphate |
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I have not misrepresented your argument and I have quoted you in full.
Stop evading and answer the question.
Your argument is that non-Muslims co-existed relatively peacefully with Muslims in Islamic societies. Is that right or not? Cos that is how I have protrayed your argument thus far.
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| This is most certainly a distortion and it was never a quibble over numbers but a matter of the reason - it was a wartime decision - not a massacre simply because they were non-Muslim as you tried to portray it. Again, few scholars fault him for this. |
Were they or were they not beheaded en masse? Were the women and children enslaved or not?
But its ok because it was a wartime decision....?!?!? He massacred them because it was the easiest way to protect his flank and that is apprently ok with you...
Also unsurprisingly you spectacularly missed the point. The leader of the army was not just some king way back when, he was the holiest man in Islam and a messenger from God.
If he is shown to be presiding over a massacre of non-Muslims simply because they fought against his army and would not convert, you can see how this might be used to justify IS style killings
Also I doubt a single Islamic scholar is going to fault the actions of the holiest man in Islam. |
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Sector7G
Joined: 24 May 2008
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:50 am Post subject: Re: Joining ISIS and the Caliphate |
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| aq8knyus wrote: |
I have not misrepresented your argument and I have quoted you in full.
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Yes you have misrepresented me several times, as I pointed out several times, especially in my last post. In fact, I could just cut and paste my entire last post to respond to this post of yours. It's getting tiresome - you keep repeating that as if repetition will make it true.
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Stop evading and answer the question.
Your argument is that non-Muslims co-existed relatively peacefully with Muslims in Islamic societies. Is that right or not? Cos that is how I have protrayed your argument thus far.
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I have not evaded you at all. I stated that it has not been without conflict - but 1400 years is a long time - that should be no surprise. My position is that you are cherry picking events and exaggerating life there - specifically in the Arab Middle East - as never-ending oppression and massacre of non-Muslims, which it is not. They are co-existing! So that is my position! Got it? Is that clear? If not, sorry, I am not going to keep repeating it.
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| This is most certainly a distortion and it was never a quibble over numbers but a matter of the reason - it was a wartime decision - not a massacre simply because they were non-Muslim as you tried to portray it. Again, few scholars fault him for this. |
Were they or were they not beheaded en masse? Were the women and children enslaved or not?
But its ok because it was a wartime decision....?!?!? He massacred them because it was the easiest way to protect his flank and that is apprently ok with you...
Also unsurprisingly you spectacularly missed the point. The leader of the army was not just some king way back when, he was the holiest man in Islam and a messenger from God.
If he is shown to be presiding over a massacre of non-Muslims simply because they fought against his army and would not convert, you can see how this might be used to justify IS style killings
Also I doubt a single Islamic scholar is going to fault the actions of the holiest man in Islam. |
Ya know, I am actually surprised that this is the example that you have chosen to hang your hat on. I fully expected you to try and find some links to problems that occurred in non-Muslim communities and neighborhoods over the course of 1400 years - because, uh, let's see, that is what we were discussing. We were not discussing the treatment of opposing armies and prisoners of war. What are you not getting about that?
At this juncture I am not really sure what else there is left for either one of us to say. But go ahead and have the last word if you want it. I think I have made myself clear. |
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:43 am Post subject: Re: Joining ISIS and the Caliphate |
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| Yes you have misrepresented me several times, as I pointed out several times, especially in my last post. In fact, I could just cut and paste my entire last post to respond to this post of yours. It's getting tiresome - you keep repeating that as if repetition will make it true. |
I understand your argument to be that non-muslims have co-existed with Muslims relatively problem free in Islamic societies.
Is that a) correct or b) incorrect?
If it isn't correct how would you define the level of violence?
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| I have not evaded you at all. I stated that it has not been without conflict- but 1400 years is a long time - that should be no surprise. My position is that you are cherry picking events and exaggerating life there - specifically in the Arab Middle East - as never-ending oppression and massacre of non-Muslims, which it is not. |
I did not use the phrase 'never-ending'. That phrase does not accurately represent my view of the subject.
Although unlike you I am not going to use the next ten posts whinging about how you have distorted my argument and twisted my words.
I am rather going to focus on the actual issue.
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| They are co-existing! So that is my position! Got it? Is that clear? If not, sorry, I am not going to keep repeating it. |
You are so evasive. That is not an answer.
Your position is that they are co-existing???
OK, so in your opinion has that co-existence been peaceful or not???
Answer the question.
Your original comment was that they were co-existing without a problem.
Do you think the co-existence between non-Muslim minorities and Muslims in Islamic societies has been peaceful? Relatively peaceful? Fair to moderate violence? Violent? Extremely violent?
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| Ya know, I am actually surprised that this is the example that you have chosen to hang your hat on. I fully expected you to try and find some links to problems that occurred in non-Muslim communities and neighborhoods over the course of 1400 years - because, uh, let's see, that is what we were discussing. We were not discussing the treatment of opposing armies and prisoners of war. What are you not getting about that? |
It is but one of many, many examples.
It just happens to be the example we were discussing.
I also see that you have nothing to say about the points I raised last time.
It is a shame as I was really looking forward to your defense of the mass beheading and enslavement of a Jewish tribe, that had surrendered, on the grounds that he had to defend his flank.
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| At this juncture I am not really sure what else there is left for either one of us to say. But go ahead and have the last word if you want it. I think I have made myself clear. |
Don't waste your time writing about not writing, if you don't want to respond then don't respond.
Although It would be fantastic if you could answer the question. |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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http://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/2014/09/13/us-state-department-we-are-bringing-thousands-of-syrians-out-of-turkey-to-the-us/
^ Invade the world, invite the world. |
They'll all end up in Dearborn I'm sure. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:47 am Post subject: |
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Massacre of Armenian christians by Turkish muslims during world war I hundreds of thousands killed.
Many massacres of Hindus in India by Muslims.
Kidnapping and raping young girls because they are not muslim, this is currently happening in Iraq and Syria.
But you should sign up!! Why you may even get a few slaves as promised by the prophet. Get out in the field and see what it is all about. |
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2014 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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Hi guys, I don't watch "the news". But I heard thru my network that Obama is "going to war with ISIS".
Is this true? And do you people actually buy this nonsense? |
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