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Cave Dweller
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:25 am Post subject: |
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So people are not allowed to be traditional either? Wow, you have high standards.
Feel free to leave 'us people' alone then. We don't need wanna-be intellectual hacks like you around here.
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So anyone who doesn't like PC culture is automatically a racist?
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No, that statement in combination with everything you said here gives the impression that you have very, let's say "traditional", views.
Again, it doesn't matter. You believe what you believe. I'm not going to continue arguing whether the sky is blue with you people. |
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guavashake
Joined: 09 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:41 am Post subject: |
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I didn't get murdered in South Africa that one time I went.
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Better luck next time. |
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Cave Dweller
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:48 am Post subject: |
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Maybe we can have a raffle or a steak night to raise the money for Mr. Black Cat's ticket back there.
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I didn't get murdered in South Africa that one time I went.
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Better luck next time. |
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guavashake
Joined: 09 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe it will help if he does a homestay with Oscar Pistorius.
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Maybe we can have a raffle or a steak night to raise the money for Mr. Black Cat's ticket back there.
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I didn't get murdered in South Africa that one time I went.
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Better luck next time. |
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Cave Dweller
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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Oscar didn't have a leg to stand on in his defense.
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Maybe it will help if he does a homestay with Oscar Pistorius.
| Cave Dweller wrote: |
Maybe we can have a raffle or a steak night to raise the money for Mr. Black Cat's ticket back there.
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| Mr. BlackCat wrote: |
I didn't get murdered in South Africa that one time I went.
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Better luck next time. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:06 am Post subject: |
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Seriously. This is what this site has come to. People arguing that Thailand has better health care than Canada. And that a G8 country is 3rd world. Like I said, if you have to go to these extremes to convince everyone that your home country is so terrible, you're really just showing everyone what kind of person you are. |
I don't agree with everything BC has to say here, but he's essentially right about this. Korea isn't the pits and Canada isn't paradise but that doesn't mean that Korea (or Thailand or wherever) is paradise and Canada is a step away from South Sudan. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:20 am Post subject: |
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| I'm pretty sure 99.9% of Thais would happily trade Canada's third world health care for their own. |
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Soft Machine
Joined: 08 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:21 am Post subject: |
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When did being a "lifer" become a negative thing? Why must people stomp on others to make themselves feel......superior? The most interesting folks I've met here arrived back in the late 60s and early 70s -didn't need an Internet search to pull up your pants back then.
It takes all types; instead of searching out that which you can bash on, why not try to put yourself on the path that interests or benefits you.....stop looking in other people's yards to see what you want to buy next.
It's a jones for this, a jones for that, keeping up with the Jones' just ain't where it's at (Boz always knows best). |
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Cave Dweller
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:49 am Post subject: |
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Exactly. I don't feel there is one place in the world where I can live a good life. There are several and Korea is one of them. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, that's for sure. Going back home and deciding it is not for you is a $20,000 mistake.
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When did being a "lifer" become a negative thing? Why must people stomp on others to make themselves feel......superior? The most interesting folks I've met here arrived back in the late 60s and early 70s -didn't need an Internet search to pull up your pants back then.
It takes all types; instead of searching out that which you can bash on, why not try to put yourself on the path that interests or benefits you.....stop looking in other people's yards to see what you want to buy next.
It's a jones for this, a jones for that, keeping up with the Jones' just ain't where it's at (Boz always knows best). |
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SHGator428
Joined: 05 Sep 2014
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:37 am Post subject: |
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| Been in Asia for a reasonably long time (several years in the ROK). While it's an interesting enough place, I've no intention of being a 'lifer' here. I'll milk it a little while longer and check out. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:53 am Post subject: |
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| ...snip...I'll milk it a little while longer and check out. |
you can check out any time you like
But you can never leave |
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swashbuckler
Joined: 20 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| I also know a number of people who never wanted to be lifers, went back to their repective countries but couldn't make ends meet and are now back in Korea going on 20 or more years. Guess they are becoming lifers wether they want to admit it or not. |
These are often the same types of people who suddenly get defensive when you criticize them for choosing teaching English in Korea as their "careers" or feel the need to trash their own countries' way of life as a means to justify staying here forever (OP) |
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swashbuckler
Joined: 20 Nov 2010
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| As a lifer, I'd just like to say: 1) You don't have to spend 24/7 365 days a year in Korea. The world is your oyster no matter where your home base may be. 2) People struggle and are unhappy in their home countries as much as they do here. It is all about who you are and what you do. You can do that here in Korea or someplace else. If you find yourself doing your thing in Korea, it ain't no big thing. |
There is still many negative sterotypes attached to teaching English in Korea:
1) People just kind "fell into it" - didn't choose it as their university major or dream of doing it when they were young..just enjoy living overseas, traveling, expat lifestyle, cheap alcohol and cigarettes, dating Korean women, etc
2) People mainly do it because of the light workload/low stress/long vacations/ease of finding employment..few actually have a true passion for teaching English to Koreans or a love of Korea/Korean culture. Also, very few English teachers speak the language fluently, even among "lifers"
3) Many people are just here because of lack of options elsewhere or because they failed to carve out a living in their own country
4) Almost all English teaching jobs here (even at universities) are considered temporary/transient and unstable with 1-year contracts the norm. Koreans themselves know this and often one of the first questions you get as an English teacher is "When will you go back to your country to live?"
These are not necessarily MY opinions, just things I've seen or heard in the past, on Dave's AND in real life..
Let the "in defense of teaching English in Korea" chorus begin for 1000x time..
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swashbuckler
Joined: 20 Nov 2010
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| First came here thirty years ago, but have been here for the past twenty-five years continuously. Chances are we will be here for the long haul. I enjoy it here and see no reason to live elsewhere--I visit back to the States every year, which is enough for me. |
Are you still an English teacher? If so, congrats. Personally, I would have put my head through a wall if I had to teach English here for 35 years. |
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Cave Dweller
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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Some good points. However, I have had the opposite.
When I said I was planning to go back, some people looked incredulous. They expected that since I had been here so long, it was for life.
Another guy seemed surprised when I told him I was not a naturalized Korean citizen.
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| Unposter wrote: |
| As a lifer, I'd just like to say: 1) You don't have to spend 24/7 365 days a year in Korea. The world is your oyster no matter where your home base may be. 2) People struggle and are unhappy in their home countries as much as they do here. It is all about who you are and what you do. You can do that here in Korea or someplace else. If you find yourself doing your thing in Korea, it ain't no big thing. |
There is still many negative sterotypes attached to teaching English in Korea:
1) People just kind "fell into it" - didn't choose it as their university major or dream of doing it when they were young..just enjoy living overseas, traveling, expat lifestyle, cheap alcohol and cigarettes, dating Korean women, etc
2) People mainly do it because of the light workload/low stress/long vacations/ease of finding employment..few actually have a true passion for teaching English to Koreans or a love of Korea/Korean culture. Also, very few English teachers speak the language fluently, even among "lifers"
3) Many people are just here because of lack of options elsewhere or because they failed to carve out a living in their own country
4) Almost all English teaching jobs here (even at universities) are considered temporary/transient and unstable with 1-year contracts the norm. Koreans themselves know this and often one of the first questions you get as an English teacher is "When will you go back to your country to live?"
These are not necessarily MY opinions, just things I've seen or heard in the past, on Dave's AND in real life..
Let the "in defense of teaching English in Korea" chorus begin for 1000x time.. |
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