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Stan Rogers
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SHGator428
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Stan Rogers
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:19 am Post subject: |
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Maybe not to you. |
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SHGator428
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:27 am Post subject: |
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| Stan Rogers wrote: |
| SHGator428 wrote: |
| Not so much. |
Maybe not to you. |
Nailed it. |
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Cave Dweller
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| It'll be interested as long as ROK plays their best and doesn't purposely hold back or throw the game to their 'brothers' from the north. |
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jvalmer
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| SK will go all out, because if SK wins, the players are exempted from military service. Better for their careers, instead of interrupting it for 2 years, for that Sangmu team. |
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Stan Rogers
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| SK will go all out, because if SK wins, the players are exempted from military service. Better for their careers, instead of interrupting it for 2 years, for that Sangmu team. |
Service has it's rewards. |
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Soft Machine
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I love it when SKorea hosts international sporting competitions - guarantees a boatload of medals for the hosts and a whole lot of grumbling from the guests. At the last Asiad held in Korea in 1986, Iraqi and Iranian boxers refused to enter the ring against Korean boxers as the results had been tallied well beforehand (ONLY Korea won gold in boxing that year). Remember the '88 Olympics and Roy Jones, Jr.? Jones outscored his Korean opponent by a wide margin and still lost. There was also the story of the American boxers who were disqualified for appearing late to the ring because schedulers rearranged bout times without telling the US team (of course, the opponents were Korean boxers). How about the 2002 World Cup? Italian, Spanish and American fans are still scratching their heads after that one. The winter games should be fun, too. After the Yoona decision, Korean skating officials made it clear - the same will happen in Korea (the schmucks even made it known in worldwide media! And this has precedent - Korean boxing coaches at the '84 games felt their boxers had been cheated and vowed that the same would happen in Seoul).
I hope Korea hosts every competition it can get its hands on - I love a good Korean party. And the guests? You mean the foreigners? Well, can they eat spicy food, use chopsticks and handle our four distinct seasons? |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Soft Machine wrote: |
I love it when SKorea hosts international sporting competitions - guarantees a boatload of medals for the hosts and a whole lot of grumbling from the guests. At the last Asiad held in Korea in 1986, Iraqi and Iranian boxers refused to enter the ring against Korean boxers as the results had been tallied well beforehand (ONLY Korea won gold in boxing that year). Remember the '88 Olympics and Roy Jones, Jr.? Jones outscored his Korean opponent by a wide margin and still lost. There was also the story of the American boxers who were disqualified for appearing late to the ring because schedulers rearranged bout times without telling the US team (of course, the opponents were Korean boxers). How about the 2002 World Cup? Italian, Spanish and American fans are still scratching their heads after that one. The winter games should be fun, too. After the Yoona decision, Korean skating officials made it clear - the same will happen in Korea (the schmucks even made it known in worldwide media! And this has precedent - Korean boxing coaches at the '84 games felt their boxers had been cheated and vowed that the same would happen in Seoul).
I hope Korea hosts every competition it can get its hands on - I love a good Korean party. And the guests? You mean the foreigners? Well, can they eat spicy food, use chopsticks and handle our four distinct seasons? |
So any specific allegations of corruption for this event? How about the 2011 World Athletics Championships in Daegu?
Anyways, I think the corruption you cited is more indicative of the state of boxing, football, and figure skating, three of the most notoriously corrupt sports in the world. Sorry, Korea is not the only place to have massive scandals in those events. In fact, those sports can barely go two years without some major scandal breaking out related to match-fixing/dubious judging/bribery. |
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jvalmer
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| How about the 2002 World Cup? Italian, Spanish and American fans are still scratching their heads after that one. |
The Spanish may have some reason to scratch their heads. But the Americans, and the Italians?
The Italians just sat back all game. The should have destroyed SK like Germany did to Brazil, if they were truly the superior team. And the American lost to friggin' Poland and still qualified for the round of 16. |
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Cave Dweller
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Italy had several goals disallowed, at least one of which for no good reason at all.
Lee Chun Su kicked Toti in the back of the head and got no punishment. Both sides were playing rough and flopping around but Italy gets a red card for it.
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| How about the 2002 World Cup? Italian, Spanish and American fans are still scratching their heads after that one. |
The Spanish may have some reason to scratch their heads. But the Americans, and the Italians?
The Italians just sat back all game. The should have destroyed SK like Germany did to Brazil, if they were truly the superior team. And the American lost to friggin' Poland and still qualified for the round of 16. |
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SHGator428
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Soft Machine wrote: |
I love it when SKorea hosts international sporting competitions - guarantees a boatload of medals for the hosts and a whole lot of grumbling from the guests. At the last Asiad held in Korea in 1986, Iraqi and Iranian boxers refused to enter the ring against Korean boxers as the results had been tallied well beforehand (ONLY Korea won gold in boxing that year). Remember the '88 Olympics and Roy Jones, Jr.? Jones outscored his Korean opponent by a wide margin and still lost. There was also the story of the American boxers who were disqualified for appearing late to the ring because schedulers rearranged bout times without telling the US team (of course, the opponents were Korean boxers). How about the 2002 World Cup? Italian, Spanish and American fans are still scratching their heads after that one. The winter games should be fun, too. After the Yoona decision, Korean skating officials made it clear - the same will happen in Korea (the schmucks even made it known in worldwide media! And this has precedent - Korean boxing coaches at the '84 games felt their boxers had been cheated and vowed that the same would happen in Seoul).
I hope Korea hosts every competition it can get its hands on - I love a good Korean party. And the guests? You mean the foreigners? Well, can they eat spicy food, use chopsticks and handle our four distinct seasons? |
So any specific allegations of corruption for this event? How about the 2011 World Athletics Championships in Daegu?
Anyways, I think the corruption you cited is more indicative of the state of boxing, football, and figure skating, three of the most notoriously corrupt sports in the world. Sorry, Korea is not the only place to have massive scandals in those events. In fact, those sports can barely go two years without some major scandal breaking out related to match-fixing/dubious judging/bribery. |
Did the poster state emphatically that Korea is the only one ever involved in corruption in those sports? Looks like he just gave a history of it happening in Korea on a board/forum that focuses on Korea.
A couple of things here:
Does pointing out stuff that happens in the ROK also happens elsewhere make it less bad that it is going on there?
Do you feel better about yourself for diverting topics away from Korea on a site for expats discussing Korea? |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| SHGator428 wrote: |
Did the poster state emphatically that Korea is the only one ever involved in corruption in those sports? Looks like he just gave a history of it happening in Korea on a board/forum that focuses on Korea.
A couple of things here:
Does pointing out stuff that happens in the ROK also happens elsewhere make it less bad that it is going on there?
Do you feel better about yourself for diverting topics away from Korea on a site for expats discussing Korea? |
First, those less familiar with the issue or perhaps possessing poor critical thinking skills might read the OPs post and conclude that these phenomenon are unique to Korean hosted international events. There is certainly nothing in the OP's writing to suggest that they aren't. The OP fails to mention this happening in other countries or mentioning the history of corruption in the sports involved. He only cites Korean examples. A reader who had no knowledge of sports history would clearly be left with the impression that this was a uniquely Korean phenomenon.
I think pretending that the OP wasn't trying to single out S.Korea as being especially corrupt is about as believable as an apologist pretending that nothing bad goes on here. We all know the intent of the OP. If you believe the OP was "merely pointing out problems with Korea" but understanding that this is common in other places that have those sports, then I suggest tuning into FOXNews for your headlines.
If the OP wasn't making this point about S. Korea but instead the respective sports, he would have simply stated "international sports competition" without mention of the host nation. He would have mentioned other nations as well.
Anyways, if someone bashing Korea mentions how things are different in another country, are you going to accuse them of "diverting" the discussion and not keeping it focused on Korea? Why is it okay for people to mention other countries when negatively talking about Korea, but its not okay for people to mention other countries when defending Korea? Is it really mentioning other countries that is the problem or is it the fact that someone has a different point of view than you? |
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jvalmer
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| Cave Dweller wrote: |
Italy had several goals disallowed, at least one of which for no good reason at all.
Lee Chun Su kicked Toti in the back of the head and got no punishment. Both sides were playing rough and flopping around but Italy gets a red card for it.
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| Soft Machine wrote: |
| How about the 2002 World Cup? Italian, Spanish and American fans are still scratching their heads after that one. |
The Spanish may have some reason to scratch their heads. But the Americans, and the Italians?
The Italians just sat back all game. The should have destroyed SK like Germany did to Brazil, if they were truly the superior team. And the American lost to friggin' Poland and still qualified for the round of 16. |
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Italy lost, there was no conspiracy.
Just wondering why you think the Yanks were robbed? They beat surprisingly beat Portugal. The Korea v USA was pretty much uncontroversial, aside from Ahn's little speed skating display. Then the US lost a must-win game to the Poles, who weren't so hot, and squeaked into the knock-out stages. Beat Mexico and lost to those Germans. |
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Cave Dweller
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Italy lost fair and square? Did you watch the same game as the rest of us?
| jvalmer wrote: |
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Italy had several goals disallowed, at least one of which for no good reason at all.
Lee Chun Su kicked Toti in the back of the head and got no punishment. Both sides were playing rough and flopping around but Italy gets a red card for it.
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| Soft Machine wrote: |
| How about the 2002 World Cup? Italian, Spanish and American fans are still scratching their heads after that one. |
The Spanish may have some reason to scratch their heads. But the Americans, and the Italians?
The Italians just sat back all game. The should have destroyed SK like Germany did to Brazil, if they were truly the superior team. And the American lost to friggin' Poland and still qualified for the round of 16. |
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Italy lost, there was no conspiracy.
Just wondering why you think the Yanks were robbed? They beat surprisingly beat Portugal. The Korea v USA was pretty much uncontroversial, aside from Ahn's little speed skating display. Then the US lost a must-win game to the Poles, who weren't so hot, and squeaked into the knock-out stages. Beat Mexico and lost to those Germans. |
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