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UKKOR
Joined: 05 Oct 2014
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 Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 1:23 pm Post subject: Citizenship confusion - help would be appreciated! |
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I have been doing so much research about visas/citizenship and I am not sure what to do. Please could somebody who is aware of the current immigration policy help me please.
I am:Born in South Korea, both parents are South Korean. Moved to UK when I was 4 and also has a British passport/citizenship. Hence have 2 citizenships. My whole family have 2 citizenships.
My situation: I really want to go to Korea by 2015 to get a job as an English teacher then possibly stay and do other work. If I am not mistaken, I cannot get an E2 visa because I have Korean citizenship. So would I be able to go and work in Korea with my Korean citizenship? Would this be legal, despite having a UK passport? And schools want UK citizens, I don't think I would stand a chance with only my Korean passport.
I have read that F4 is also an option for gyopos. But I would have to renounce my Korean citizenship. I have read that I need a variety of papers to renounce my citizenship, one being my family registry. Would it show that both my parents have Korean and UK passport? and if so, would they have to renounce their Korean citizenship too? I heard renouncing Korean citizenship takes 3-6 months (I don't have the time) and getting a f4 visa takes 5 days.
Help! The citizenship law changed in 2011 so I am confused with what I have to do. What would be the best option for me, use Korean citizenship or renounce and get an f4?
Thanks for reading. Any help greatly appreciated!! |
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Coltronator
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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Are you Male or Female?
Female = Just work legally based on your citizenship
Male = Do 1.5 years of Military service then work based on your ciizenship
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Some complicated process which you may or may not qualify for to renounce Korean Citizenship & get an F4 |
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UKKOR
Joined: 05 Oct 2014
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you so much for your reply!
Im female.
In that case would i be able to advertise myself as a british teacher/ citizen? |
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Coltronator
Joined: 04 Dec 2013
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Absolutely, you may get some (say 30%) slightly rude responses that they only want Native speakers and that they don't consider you one. Those are the schools that did you job for you, you wouldn't want to work there anyways. (A smaller minority might be very rude) Watch out for a school that will offer you a job but try to not pay housing, or reduce your pay because of weird logic that they should pay you less. |
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Coltronator
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Recruiters aren't schools, they will be meaner on a whole because you are harder to place in a school and they don't want the hassle in trying to find you a place. Again you probably didn't want to use that recruiter anyways. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| UKKOR wrote: |
Thank you so much for your reply!
Im female.
In that case would i be able to advertise myself as a british teacher/ citizen? |
Enter as a Korean on your Korean passport.
Look for work as a Brit who does not need visa support from a school (show your UK passport and UK degree).
Don't forget to get a certified true copy of your degree with an apostille affixed to it for the MOE.
Don't forget that you STILL need a police check (with apostille) for the MOE.
As a Korean you may also need to get a Korean police check after you arrive (a simple process compared to doing it in the UK).
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basic69isokay
Joined: 28 Sep 2014
Location: korea
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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oull clean up on private classes, being a female Korean who can talk to the Moms, but also teach English.
Youll probably get passed over on most hagwons wish list.
They want young, white, blonde
Public programs are pretty good about the race thing. Id say this:
Go to TALK or EPIK/gepik/jlp if u want outside of seoul.
Go to SMOE if u want seoul. Then teach loads of privates. |
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UKKOR
Joined: 05 Oct 2014
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:43 am Post subject: |
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Thank you for the advice!
I am just wondering if there is any risk of being deported or breaking any immigration laws by using my Korean passport? |
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basic69isokay
Joined: 28 Sep 2014
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:00 am Post subject: |
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| UKKOR wrote: |
Thank you for the advice!
I am just wondering if there is any risk of being deported or breaking any immigration laws by using my Korean passport? |
What? Of course not. There's literally millions of Korean English teachers. |
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Jake_Kim
Joined: 27 Aug 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:53 am Post subject: Re: Citizenship confusion - help would be appreciated! |
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| UKKOR wrote: |
I have been doing so much research about visas/citizenship and I am not sure what to do. Please could somebody who is aware of the current immigration policy help me please.
I am:Born in South Korea, both parents are South Korean. Moved to UK when I was 4 and also has a British passport/citizenship. Hence have 2 citizenships. My whole family have 2 citizenships.
My situation: I really want to go to Korea by 2015 to get a job as an English teacher then possibly stay and do other work. If I am not mistaken, I cannot get an E2 visa because I have Korean citizenship. So would I be able to go and work in Korea with my Korean citizenship? Would this be legal, despite having a UK passport? And schools want UK citizens, I don't think I would stand a chance with only my Korean passport.
I have read that F4 is also an option for gyopos. But I would have to renounce my Korean citizenship. I have read that I need a variety of papers to renounce my citizenship, one being my family registry. Would it show that both my parents have Korean and UK passport? and if so, would they have to renounce their Korean citizenship too? I heard renouncing Korean citizenship takes 3-6 months (I don't have the time) and getting a f4 visa takes 5 days.
Help! The citizenship law changed in 2011 so I am confused with what I have to do. What would be the best option for me, use Korean citizenship or renounce and get an f4?
Thanks for reading. Any help greatly appreciated!! |
http://www.immigration.go.kr/HP/IMM/imm_04/imm_0407/imm_040706/1179656_35516.jsp
There is a BIG difference between you think that you have dual citizenship and you actually legally have dual citizenship.
Unless you had dual nationality by birth - e.g. British father+Korean mother or vice versa - you do not get to have dual nationality even with the amended nationality law. The amendment does not cover YOU.
Your parents never had dual nationality, their Korean citizenship was automatically extinguished retrospectively when they obtained UK citizenship, whether or not they declared such a fact to the Korean consulate in the U.K. and renounced Korean citizenship.
You were a minor when you lost your Korean citizenship 'involuntarily', thus you fall under Article 15, section 2, subsection 4. But it needs to be verified whether your parents declared 'your' intention to retain Korean citizenship within 6 months of your acquisition of UK citizenship and defer the choice until you turn 22 on your behalf.
Even if that were the case, and if you've already turned 22 and not chosen Korean citizenship by this deadline, you have automatically lost your Korean citizenship. It may be that you physically hold a Korean passport under your name, provided that your parents failed to perform necessary declaration and paperwork and Korean government has not noticed such a fact yet, but traveling to/entering Korea using your invalid Korean passport will amount to illegal immigration on a false document, and you'll get heftily fined if you get caught.
Check your paperwork and legal status first and get it squared away. You're still of Korean ethnicity, thus getting F-4 with your UK passport is the cleanest cut. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| UKKOR wrote: |
Thank you for the advice!
I am just wondering if there is any risk of being deported or breaking any immigration laws by using my Korean passport? |
You can break an immigration law by working or be deported if you are a citizen (even if you do hold a foreign passport as a naturalized citizen there as well) PROVIDED YOU HAVE NOT FORMALLY RENOUNCED YOUR KOREAN CITIZENSHIP.
You are no different than any other Korean if you enter on your Korean passport.
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Jake_Kim
Joined: 27 Aug 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 5:45 am Post subject: |
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| You are no different than any other Korean if you enter on your Korean passport. |
Her Korean passport, even if she has one, is technically void, unless she meets the deferral condition.
I refer to the decision by the Supreme Court of Korea, case no. 2008도4085, citation 대법원 2008.7.24. 선고 2008도4085 판결, the second point where the Court has decided that the loss of one's Korean citizenship does NOT require an act of formally renouncing Korean citizenship by the former citizen. It's an automatic out, with or without paperwork.
For the OP, now it simply comes down to any deferral request and her age. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:28 am Post subject: |
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| You can break an immigration law by working or be deported if you are a citizen (even if you do hold a foreign passport as a naturalized citizen there as well) PROVIDED YOU HAVE NOT FORMALLY RENOUNCED YOUR KOREAN CITIZENSHIP. |
You left out "not" between "can" and "break". |
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UKKOR
Joined: 05 Oct 2014
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:45 am Post subject: Re: Citizenship confusion - help would be appreciated! |
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| Jake_Kim wrote: |
| UKKOR wrote: |
I have been doing so much research about visas/citizenship and I am not sure what to do. Please could somebody who is aware of the current immigration policy help me please.
I am:Born in South Korea, both parents are South Korean. Moved to UK when I was 4 and also has a British passport/citizenship. Hence have 2 citizenships. My whole family have 2 citizenships.
My situation: I really want to go to Korea by 2015 to get a job as an English teacher then possibly stay and do other work. If I am not mistaken, I cannot get an E2 visa because I have Korean citizenship. So would I be able to go and work in Korea with my Korean citizenship? Would this be legal, despite having a UK passport? And schools want UK citizens, I don't think I would stand a chance with only my Korean passport.
I have read that F4 is also an option for gyopos. But I would have to renounce my Korean citizenship. I have read that I need a variety of papers to renounce my citizenship, one being my family registry. Would it show that both my parents have Korean and UK passport? and if so, would they have to renounce their Korean citizenship too? I heard renouncing Korean citizenship takes 3-6 months (I don't have the time) and getting a f4 visa takes 5 days.
Help! The citizenship law changed in 2011 so I am confused with what I have to do. What would be the best option for me, use Korean citizenship or renounce and get an f4?
Thanks for reading. Any help greatly appreciated!! |
http://www.immigration.go.kr/HP/IMM/imm_04/imm_0407/imm_040706/1179656_35516.jsp
There is a BIG difference between you think that you have dual citizenship and you actually legally have dual citizenship.
Unless you had dual nationality by birth - e.g. British father+Korean mother or vice versa - you do not get to have dual nationality even with the amended nationality law. The amendment does not cover YOU.
Your parents never had dual nationality, their Korean citizenship was automatically extinguished retrospectively when they obtained UK citizenship, whether or not they declared such a fact to the Korean consulate in the U.K. and renounced Korean citizenship.
You were a minor when you lost your Korean citizenship 'involuntarily', thus you fall under Article 15, section 2, subsection 4. But it needs to be verified whether your parents declared 'your' intention to retain Korean citizenship within 6 months of your acquisition of UK citizenship and defer the choice until you turn 22 on your behalf.
Even if that were the case, and if you've already turned 22 and not chosen Korean citizenship by this deadline, you have automatically lost your Korean citizenship. It may be that you physically hold a Korean passport under your name, provided that your parents failed to perform necessary declaration and paperwork and Korean government has not noticed such a fact yet, but traveling to/entering Korea using your invalid Korean passport will amount to illegal immigration on a false document, and you'll get heftily fined if you get caught.
Check your paperwork and legal status first and get it squared away. You're still of Korean ethnicity, thus getting F-4 with your UK passport is the cleanest cut. |
Hi there are many points to your reply which I would like to clarify.
Firstly- You say that my parents Korean passport was extinguished automatically after they got a UK passport. But they still use it all the time without any problem. So what does that mean? Plus if their passports are no longer valid does that mean that on my Hojuk/ family registry, they will only appear as British citizens? Must they renounce their passport?
Secondly- I am 21! I turn 22 in a month (November). So that means I still have my citizenship?
Thank you so much for your comment, I really appreciate your help |
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UKKOR
Joined: 05 Oct 2014
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:50 am Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| UKKOR wrote: |
Thank you for the advice!
I am just wondering if there is any risk of being deported or breaking any immigration laws by using my Korean passport? |
You can break an immigration law by working or be deported if you are a citizen (even if you do hold a foreign passport as a naturalized citizen there as well) PROVIDED YOU HAVE NOT FORMALLY RENOUNCED YOUR KOREAN CITIZENSHIP.
You are no different than any other Korean if you enter on your Korean passport.
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I just want to clarify...did you mean to say 'You can not break'? I don't 100% understand the sentence.
You are saying that since I have not renounced my citizenship, my passport is fine whilst others are saying that it is illegal for me to use my passport and I am not a citizen...I am torn.
Thank you for your help. But I still don't know where I stand |
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